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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,063
    Outperform a Datsun 510, Toyota Corona or BMW 2002? Extremely unlikely.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,639
    if we are still talking Vegas, I assume that meant stuff like a Datsun 1200, or a corolla.

    a 510/2002 was a class above at that point I would assume (and certainly more expensive!)

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    i think the '61 Chevy in the oncoming lane (behind the '57 Ford and '58 Chevy) is the newest car, and probably dates the photo.

    The '61s are the newest, besides the Chevy, there's a Ford wagon going the other way near it a Pontiac approaching halfway up the road and the compact Buick Special parked on the right. If you look behind the bus in the lane going away you can just make out another '61 Chevy.

    At Hemmings.com they think the old Hudson and the Ford near it are the oldest cars (ca. '52-'53).

    I'm struck by the lack of imports, aside from the lone VW. Madison is a big college town, where are the VeeDubs, Volvos, Sprites or MGs. It's also odd that there aren't any motorcycles. In my (much smaller) college town Triumphs, BSAs, Moto Guzzis and Nortons were all the rage in the early 60s.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Outperform a Datsun 510, Toyota Corona or BMW 2002? Extremely unlikely.

    Um...in its price class?

    Not rewriting history...check out some old C&D, MT, R&T articles that are probably online someplace.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,828
    Datsun/Nissan Stanza 5 door made from around 1982-86 or so.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,206
    I'm struck by the lack of imports, aside from the lone VW.

    Well, if Madison was like Chicago and Milwaukee in 1961, you were much more likely to see a Rambler American than an import. Oddly, I recall from my youth back then that an import that was relatively popular in the Chicago area was the TR-3. I saw more of them than MG's or Austin Healey's. There were some VW's of course, but they really seemed more common later in the 60's in that area. Another unusual thing, at least in the suburbs, was that the more popular motorcycles seemed to be Asian crotch rocker models as the 60's progressed.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    edited July 2013
    you were much more likely to see a Rambler American than an import.

    I have no doubt of that, since they were made in Kenosha WI but I don't see any Ramblers in that Madison photo either. :confuse:

    My college town was in Western NY State, so halfway between the import heavy East Coast and the Mid West but it featured an amazing variety of imports both two and four wheeled. One kid had a badly beat up Porsche Speedster and my roomie had a TR-3, another roomie had a hardtop (FHC) MG-A
    Of course there were lots of VWs and Ghias but we even had such oddities as a Lancia Appia, some DKWs, Volvos, Saabs and an Alfa Giulietta Spider that got traded in for a Mustang in '64. It was the Golden Age of Euro imports, I remember it fondly.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,063
    I guess we'd have to define the rather mushy word "outperform". Are we talking 0-60? Brakes?

    If we're talking TOTAL car, including braking, handling, the heater, the durability of the engine, etc, then the VW Bug would be right down there with the Fiats and English Fords.

    If you meant 'build quality" of the body and materials used in the interior, I'd give the nod to the VW.

    the 1971 Corolla was a NICE little car. I wouldn't mind having one today!

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
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  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,947
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    Yup that's a 1967 Fiat Dino Spider unfortunately with a lot of issues. Frankly I don't have any idea what a good one is worth but it's one of my favorite designs of the era. I hope it goes to a good home.

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,206
    edited July 2013
    The wealthier Chicago suburbs did have more imports back then. Primarily MB, but more than a few Jaguar's as well. Chicago was a big GM market back in those days. Starting in the late 50's you'd sometimes see an Opel or Vauxhall, usually wagons initially. The Opel product line expanded and went on into the early 70's I believe, but Vauxhall didn't last near as long. For whatever reason, Pontiac didn't seem to have as many established dealerships compared to Buick in the area, so that may have been the reason. Of course, another factor playing in here was that Chicago was a "large" car market like most of the Midwest which probably inhibited import sales a bit.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,206
    It was the Golden Age of Euro imports, I remember it fondly.

    I agree. It was an interesting era for imports. Lots of different and neat looking stuff back then. Many sold out of little hole in the wall dealers in my area at least, including some that sold a whole gamut of different brands. Sometimes an import brand dealer might even just by part of a gas station. In the late 50's/early 60's Willy's/Jeep dealerships also were like that and really Rambler was just finally getting modern dealerships to compete with D3. Japan dealers kind of started out like those Euro dealers too a decade later.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,063
    50K to 80K for a nice Fiat Dino spider, 20K-30K for a nice coupe.

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  • andysdandysd Posts: 87
    I got only a quick glimpse of a small photo, and can't seem to get back to it. But one of the mystery cars is a Citroen DS19 or later, or an ID19. I lived in Holland from 1956 to 1967, and had a few interesting cars, one of which was the ID19, the less luxurious version of the DS. I loved the car. Although acceleration wasn't great, you could achieve very high point to point average speeds. I remember driving fast and silently in the dark from The Hague to the Nurburgring to see a race, an open mug of coffee sitting at my elbow on the wide door sill.

    Prior to the time when the Dutch autoweg was directly connected to the German autobahn, and there were several miles of two lane road near the border, my wife and I drove door to door from The Hague to Kitzbuhel, Austria, to ski, at just over 100 km/hour average speed in our ID.

    I also had a 1957 Porsche Speedster during that period, and for another winter vacation, we drove the same route in the Speedster at the same average speed.

    I also bought a new 1962 Volvo 544 that we drove, with two little kids, in 1967 from The Hague to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, via Austria, Yugoslavia, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait. In 1979 I shipped that Volvo back to the States, and my daughter drove the car until around 1990 when it became hard to find parts for it.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
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  • tmarttmart Spring, TXPosts: 1,010
    A 59 Ford Country Squire in Raven black.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    A 59 Ford Country Squire in Raven black.

    Yup, you can't get much more 50s than that.

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,206
    The parents of one of the guy's I went to school with had that same wagon. Even had some of those travel stickers and window decals. Kind of an unusual color combo for the time I thought.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,189
    Aren't those wheelcovers from a Dodge?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    You're asking the wrong guy. I thought they looked odd, like something you'd see an a car with more flamboyant styling, the '59 Ford being one of that year's most conservative designs (not a bad thing IMO).

    Now that you mention it those hubcaps would look at home on a '60 or '61 Dodge. :confuse:

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
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    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • tmarttmart Spring, TXPosts: 1,010
    Lincoln Towncar, my favorite body style.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,610
    Yeah, the '98 restyle ranks as one of my least favorite, all cars:
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  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,613
    G'day

    Funny to see this as Lincolns are very rare here in Australia but I just pulled up behind an earl 80's Town Car at our nearest traffic lights. A bit big for Australia.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    Yup, that's a 90s style Lincoln Town Car, one like it gets "torched" in the TV ad for the new MK-S.

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Most likely that is a 90 Town Car, considering it had "turbine" wheels. Little known fact the 90 still had the good 'ol 5.0, the 4.6 didn't make it until 91.

    The 90-97 was a very popular car. The 98-02 is generally unloved, smaller trunk and no hood ornament. My Grandfather had a "rare" 98 LTC Touring sedan. It basically had the Handling and Performance package from the Crown Vic and a steep rear axle. Fastest Panther I'd ever driven, and handled decent for what it was.

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,189
    I liked the 1995-1997 design with the slimmer headlamps, but the 1998 restyle is muy hideoso!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,643
    I'm no fan of any of the Panther cars which didn't offer all that much room in spite of their humongous footprint.

    That said I'd prefer the '98 Town Car restyle over the earlier ones. I don't know why you guys prefer the older car but there's a reason it got "torched in that Lincoln ad.

    Speaking of Lincoln ads, I can't image why they don't show a '61 Continental in their heritage ad. IMO that's the best looking Lincoln since the MK. II (which is in the ad).

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

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