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  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    I think the VW is a bit earlier _ it looks like a split back window to me. The cars are all shiny because they were then fairly new - the picture was taken in Haarlem Holland, in 1954.
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    edited December 2013
    The two Austins are A40 Devons - well done for spotting the one in the distance - its not a very big picture. The Ford Prefect is the E493A model which was in production until 1953, I think, and the Fiat is a 500 Topolino - many were built before the war as it was introduced in 1936, but the 500A went on until 1948, and the 500B was in production for another year or so - the separate headights didn't go until right at the end of 1949with the 500C, so given how shiny this one is I would imagine it is post war. It is also possible that it could be a Simca, or even Neckar-Fiat from Germany, but the Italian version is probably most likely.
    So, what is the black car following the Prefect?

    PS - the bus is apparently a British built Crossley - Dutch Railways had a large fleet of SD42's with local built bodies from the late 40's. (The guy who posted this picture knows his buses)...
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,892
    The black car is a mystery to me. I can't pin it down - looks fairly British, but continental cars weren't much different. I know it's not American, for sure.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,570
    Is it an early Volvo?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    I thought this one would be more difficult. It looks very British, although it isn't, and although I can see where you are coming from with the Volvo it isn't one of those either.
  • Not British, eh? Gee it looks a lot like a Humber Hawk.
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    I can see that too - it looks a lot like a Lea Francis, but it really isn't British.
    Another clue, then - the country it does come from used to drive on the left until the war, like we still do now - and it isn't Sweden which when this picture was taken was still driving on the left.
  • Oh, I get it. It must be made in Iceland.

    No, that can't be right. Maybe a Czech car?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,892
    I think the latter is true. I know Tatra T87 were exported to the Netherlands after the war (although this isn't a Tatra).
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    So Czech what else was made there - Czechoslovakia drove on the left from its foundation in 1919 until it was seized by the Nazis in 1938/9...
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,892
    There's really one other large scale maker, still in business today (with design help from the fatherland - and I am trying to see if someone else can guess :) )
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,635
    edited December 2013
    Skoda? Can't place a vehicle made by Skoda that looks quite like that...maybe a Model 1102?
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,552

    I cannot think of any Skoda which looks like the black car and cannot think of any other Czech manufacturers from that era.


  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,552

    This has taken far more time and thinking than most, but I found a You-tube of a 1950 Skoda 1102 Tudor Saloon from somewhere in Canadian which looks similar. Even found a rear shot of another 1102 where the two boot handles are apparent.

    Skoda enjoyed a good reputation in Australia in the 1950's and the local distributor was both profitable and listed on the Stock Exchange.

    A 1952 story, originally appearing in the Melbourne Truth, is interesting reading

    The Melbourne "Truth" writes:
    Trust the Continental people to
    produce something just a bit dif
    ferent in the way of motor cars.
    We are referring to the Skoda, for
    many years well known in Europe,
    but entirely a newcomer on the
    Melbourne market
    It comes from Czechoslovakia
    and arrives on the Melbourne
    wharves wanting only the wheels
    braced on, a battery connected,
    and petrol put in the tanks.
    The Czechs know their body
    building and the first impression
    is of flawless finish. The second is
    of accessibility and a more de
    tailed examination discloses many
    refinements on what is basically a
    conventional o.h.v. of 11.4 h.p.
    Among the refinements we
    Gravity feed petrol tank, which.
    with the radiator, generator, coil
    or distributor could be removed in
    a matter of a couple of minutes;
    "One-shot" lubrication, which
    means that by stepping on a lung
    er near the pedals the chassis can
    be lubricated without hoists or.
    grease gun;
    That the back seat can be en
    tirely removed in 30 sees, and the
    6-ft. long flat space extending into
    the boot used for commercial or
    camping purposes;
    That the conventional form of
    back axle has been replaced by a
    differential bolted to the chassis so
    that the back wheels are driven
    through universal joints as in
    front-wheel-drive cars. This gives
    independence of springing on all
    four wheels.
    We tested the springing on a
    slhort test at 40 over the
    cobbles near Victoria dock with
    very pleasing results indeed.
    Among other things we discov
    ered that the car went to the cus
    tomer with a really comprehensive
    set of tools even to tyre gauge
    and spare light globes.
    There appeared to be enough
    tools to tackle a rebore-except
    that the Skoda is not rebored.
    The principle is that you leave
    your car at the service station in
    the morning and pick it up at
    night, by which time the cylinder
    liners and pistons have been re
    placed. which is a slightly differ
    ent story from having to leave
    your car for a week.
    The cost is a bit different, too
    about £30 for a Skoda, and any
    thing from £60 to £80 for most other
    Maker's specifications claim
    maximum speed of 70 and petrol
    consumption 35 m.p.g. at 30 m.p.h.

    I am intrigued by the reference to the ease of doing a rebore as a one day changeover. I cannot imagine doing a major engine out rebore in a day, even now!


  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Ct.Posts: 432
    I'll take one!
  • magnettemagnette London UKPosts: 1,884
    Well done - and to graham for finding a lot more about it... This is either a four door version of the 1101 or more likely (because more were made) the 1102 - that also had a slightly longer wheelbase I think and the one in the picture looks longer.

    They made about 67000 of these (more common in two door form) between 1946/52,and according to the author David Randall in his history of Skoda, the whole range was known as Tudors - including the four door. Presumably it was a reference to a noble sounding name rather than the Ford way of naming a car according to the doors, but it wasn't sold in Britain so we never found out.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,380

    Notice that half the drivers don't know they should turn their lights on in the rain. Some things don't change much. :mad:

    Might as well call em off by rows.


  • berriberri Posts: 4,000
    I'll take the 59 Pontiac convertible. Fin, there's a 60 Ford behind it.
  • Michaell@EdmundsMichaell@Edmunds ColoradoPosts: 1,091
    Is that the 405 or the 101 in LA?

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,892
    You beat me to it. I am surprised so many are using lights, to be honest - not much different from today.

    I'll pick off the Triumph TR10 behind a ~55 Ford truck at lower left. Lots of good pickings in this pic, many should be able to chime in.

    It never rains in southern California.
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