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Toyota Avalon vs Chysler 300/300C

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  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    Are you asking about the 300c or the v6 300?

    I had the same question, but mine is regarding the 300c.

    Both are big cars with great power.

    I was wondering if anyone out there has compared the 05 Avalon Limited to a 300c with all options?


    Thanks,

    Dean
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The original poster was talking about the 300 vs. the Avalon. I added the 300C to the title because others have been making that comparison elsewhere. I think we can discuss both comparisons under this same umbrella. There are some differences indeed, but we can handle them here in one place.
  • hutch34hutch34 Posts: 34
    I have compared the 300c and Avalon Limited. I considered purchasing a 300c for several months, while awaiting the arrival of the 05 Avalon. I really did like the power of the 300c and to a lesser extent the styling. The one thing that kept me from ordering a 300c was all the problems that the new owners were having. I have a close friend who has a 300 Limited which he received from Chrysler when they bought back his 300m. Because he had so many problems with his 300m and immediately started having problems with his new 300 Limited, I decided to wait for a while before taking the plunge.

    In mid-February I was finally able to compare an 05 Avalon Limited and it was love at first sight. I immediately found the quality of the Avalon to be superior to the 300c. I was so impressed with the Avalon that I immediately ordered a Limited. I have now owned my Limited for one month and am more convinced than ever that I made the right choice. While the 300c is an impressive car from the styling and performance points of view., it doesn't come close to the Avalon in providing the feel of quality, comfort and reliableity that the Avalon provides. The Avalon is also much quieter and more ecomonical to operate than the 300c.

    To those who have purchased the 300c, you have a beautiful car and I hope that Chrysler can get it's act together and correct the problems that seem to plague the 300c. :)
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    How about throwing it into the mix as well. Yes not as luxurious as the Avalon, perhaps, nor with the Bling factor of the 300-300C, but less expensive than either one, and available with all wheel drive and even with this option pretty inexpensive.

    Huge trunk as well. 17" alloy wheels even in the base model. Advanced CVT or 6 speed automatic. A lot of Volvo based safety features. Prices starting in the low $20k range.

    Yeh, we all know about everyone claiming it is underpowered, but in real world driving, more than adequate.
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    To continuous2, if you go to toyota's website and start to price out a car you can click compare on the upper left side. That will let you pull up a menu where you can select the Avalon and 300 from a pull down list. It will point out a few things.

    I don't think the Ford Five Hundred is really within the same demographic as people who want an Avalon or 300c. It's 100% boring interior wise, handling, styling, and power...IMO..of course.

    BTW, I'm just 34yrs old, but need a large sized vehicle to carry people around in comfort...but I'd like a little pizazz without breaking the bank.

    The 500 and Crown Vic lack that bit of style and power I'd like along with my practical needs.
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 47
    I have been considering the Acura TL, Avalon and the 300. I have driven the Acura several times, the Avalon once and am now renting a 300 on a business trip across central FL. Here are some observations bearing in mind I am driving a rental with few whistles and bells.
    Pros

    The 300 really has the WOW factor as you drive it around. Have had many people ask me how i like it. It really turns heads on the road , then they see an old guy driving it!
    Plenty of room.
    Gauges and the analog clock really have a pleasing appearance at night.
    Fun to drive

    Cons
    The windshield is smaller than you think. At several intersections I noticed when I stopped at the white line I was unable to see the traffic light without leaning forward.

    The radio had very poor reception. Even in the cities the signal faded very easily. THIS was very distracting.

    The seats were not real good on this trim level and it was hard to find a good position.

    The base engine on this is not a good option.. I would steer clear of it.

    It is not as quiet as the Avalon or the Acura but it was not unpleasant.

    The trunk lid was not lined,both the Avalon and the Acura had that sound deadening touch.

    I have to agree the car is perfectly good and fun but misses the mark on the touches on the Avalon and the TL. For my personal search I think the 300 is off my list. Now to decide between the TL and the Avalon Limited.
  • ronnronn Posts: 398
    I find the Avalon to be wonderful. Before buying it, I drove several others which included the 300. I would like to say that the 300 and its interior are not nearly has nice. The 300 has very thin carpet, and the dash is very plain looking to me. I did like the clock though...Thought it was cool. I felt very closed in with the 300...the windows are small. I was also amazed at the road noise with it. The ride was fairly smooth, but the quiet and smooth of the new Avalon is very hard to beat. It is actually the quietest car I have ever driven. They both are head turners. I get lots of looks with my Black Avalon. Not that it matters, but I am proud to have a sleek looking new car. I do believe the reliability of Toyotas are also hard to beat. As I read many reviews of the 300, many were negative, and I was nervous comsidering the car. If you look at resale, Chrysler has also had a problem there.
    I post on the 2005 Avalon post most of the time, but came over here to give comparison. Both are eye catching, and are both popular, but I love my Avalon.!!
    RONN
  • ronnronn Posts: 398
    Donb1...... I drove the Rl and the TL before deciding on the Avalon. I must say that I was disappointed in both the RL and TL. While I came very close to buying the RL, after driving the Avalon it decided for me. The TL is a nice car, and I love the look of it, except the kinda sawed off back from the side view. I thought the dash was cool in the TL, but the road noise was a disappointment to me. Also, the TL does not have near the room that the Avalon has. I was looking for a car that would give friends in the back plenty of room. I am 6'2, and with my seat back, Im amazed at the room in the Avalon. The stereos in both cars are awesome. I do wish Toyota would add Bluetooth to the mix. I feel they will eventually.
    The Avalon is just a more smooth, sleek looking car to me. I love it. I have 1500 miles, and it also gets excellent gas. I have been getting 21-23 in town driving which I find amazing with all the horses it has. Best of luck in your decision, and maybe I havent confused you more.
    RONN
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    donb1,

    Do you live in Central FL? I'll most likely be getting the Avalon and could use dealer recommendations. :)
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    >>Now to decide between the TL and the Avalon Limited.

    Isn't this fairly straight forward? If you want more sporty and to be able to feel the road more then the TL is good.

    If you want a softer ride with a lot more rear leg room for passengers then the Avalon.

    ...at least based on what I read. :)

    However, if details like the better NAVI / Bluetooth in the TL are something you'd use then I guess that factors in as well.
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 47
    Alpha

    I am only here in Fl on business so I am afraid I can't help on the dealership thing.

    Thanks for the input.
    I was disappointed that the 300 did not impress me more but that is one of the reasons I decided to rent it. Better to find out now.

    The choice between the head and the heart is in play on the TL vs Avalon. I have owned 2 Avalons, 2 Camrys and 1 Celica. They were all all trouble free if unexciting (except the Celica). I currently have a 2001 Acura TL and love it but the lease is up.

    I am buying this car instead of leasing so I want one that will last a good long time
    The New TL is a ball to drive and looks really nice. It is a harsher ride but great fun. The Avalon is sooo quiet and smooth and very well done inside. I am trying not to act my age (late 50's) but on the other hand I am not sure I will want that fun but harsher ride in 3 or 4 years. It would be an easy choice if they weren't such great cars.
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    It is certainly unfortunate that you are basing your opinion of the 300 on the base model. Even if you still want one of the imports, you owe it to yourself to make a fair comparison by trying out a 300C. Much about the 300C is upgraded from the model you rented, which would sell for at least $10,000 less than the Avalon or the TL. Give the 300C a test and, if nothing else, you will have at least given the 300 a fair comparison. The great thing about looking at cars today is that we even have 3 fine cars, such as the 300C, Avalon and TL to choose from. It wasn't that long ago that it would have been impossible to find 3 such cars to compare!
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    Don,

    I understand. Have you seen the new Infiniti M that just came out?

    http://www.infiniti.com/content/0,,cid-123084_sctid-12001,00.html

    :)
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 47
    Hard

    I took the fact that it was a base product when I compared. I tried to focus on those things that were inherent in the car such as the small windows and the road noise. I know that many of the concerns may not be present in a better equipped
    model

    Alpha

    I would look at one but there is no dealer within 50 miles of work or home. I just don't think I want to go that far for service for the foreseable future.
  • alphawolfalphawolf Posts: 100
    Don, yeah...100 mile round trip to the dealer would be a bummer.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    I'd take the 300C. It reminds me of the 1998 Chrysler Chronos concept car and the 1957 Chrysler 300. It has soul while the Avalon, along with every other Toyota from the Celsior to the Corolla, lacks it (except for the MR2).
  • bigsambigsam Posts: 4
    Just to preface, love my 2004 Avalon XLS :) ! I have been a Cadi owner for many years and at 6' 8" really liked the room. Cadillac makes a solid, quiet, roomy, well equipped car and without a doubt, the Avalon is NOT a Cadillac but I'm frankly getting sick and tired of problems with GM autos (it's in the shop right now with an electrical gremlin that affects the cruise, headlights, door locks, emergency brake, trunk release, fuel gauge, interior lights, radio and chimes! It's been in the shop 5 times :lemon: for these intermittant problems.)

    I did look at the 500 and first off, there was nowhere near the front legroom of the Avalon and secondly, the 500 reminded me of a Mercury Monarch :sick: we used to have about 30 years ago and was that ever the biggest piece of crap that was ever allowed on the road.

    We looked at the 300 because of the terrific styling :shades: of the car, love the design but here we go again with reliability factors.

    Owned new Toyota's in the early 80's and now I almost feel like I made a mistake by buying anything else.

    Thanks to all who input vital information which can be used to make sound purchase decisions.
  • leinadleinad Posts: 32
    I live in North Central Fla and am seriously considering the Avalon also, but the only CON I have at this time is the PREMIUM GAS requirement...I have tried out the Chrysler 300 Touring and love the roominess inside, but the interior was very plain and blah looking. I am used to driving an extended cab toyota tundra. I also tried out the hybrid Honda Accord, and loved everything about it (was so quiet, couldn't even hear engine running), except it is SO SMALL compared to AVALON. So right now, my narrowed down choices are either the Avalon or Highlander Hybrid coming out in June 2006...

    I just felt like the Avalon leather seats wrapped around my body and were far more comfortable than in the Chrysler 300.

    Any comparison on cheaper insurance???

    Thanks to all! :)
  • tystys Posts: 3
    PREMIUM GAS is NOT a requirement. Toyota suggests that if you want to get the top horsepower and gas mileage use Premium. Regular will work fine with no big difference. Read the stories from the other Avalon 2005 forums and you will see not everyone uses PREMIUM.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    On the insurance question, you'll want to check out other Forums' members experiences in the discussion at this link: What do you pay for insurance? That should be a great resource for you.
  • deaniedeanie Posts: 172
    Hi Leinad:
    You're right about the 300 - it'll prove to be as reliable as a mercedes, and that's a bad thing. My opinion: Stay away from the Highlander/hybrid if you're considering an Avalon. Why? Avalon's braking and handling are far superior to the highlander's, which makes it a much safer car, and safety far outweighs the money you'll save due to the slightly better mileage the hybrid will bring. In addition to better handling/braking, Avalon's also got a smoother, more comfortable ride.

    Unless you're living in the snowbelt, the all wheel drive will not offset the Avalon's handling/braking advantage. Just make sure that whichever car you buy, get VSC - best safety feature since seatbelts.

    I drove the Avalon & Highlander and bought the Avalon. The Highlander is no larger than the Camry on which it's based, whereas the Avalon is based on a stretched and widened version of the Camry. For comparison, I believe the passenger areas for the highlander and accord are about the same. Plus, the 280hp Avalon is still faster and will be a lot more fun to drive than the expected 267hp of the highlander hybrid.

    Let's not forget price. Avalon prices are coming down now (slowly). I bought my XLS w/VSC & JBL stereo for $657 over invoice. By the time the Highlander hybrid comes out, Avalons will routinely be purchased for $400-$1000 over invoice, whereas Hybrids will go for near MSRP and be in shorter supply than Avalons were, and for a longer period of time. Hope I've helped.
    Regards,
    Deanie
  • hey again! this is LEINAD922...thanks so much for the info and input, I feel much relieved to know that premium is not a MUST for the avalon...then, that really settles all my indecisions about which vehicle I want! Its the avalon or bust!

    It really helps to get ya'lls opinions (yes, I am from the South) and I appreciate it very much!

    I have had a highlander before and my sister went out and got the same exact highlander, even same color, so that kinda put a damper on getting another highlander for me! Such a copycat she is...

    I am willing to try new and different things.

    Thanks again!
  • jahvanejahvane Posts: 3
    For a while there I was 100% for the 300, I went back to the dealership to look at the 300 again, all of a sudden it hit me, the interior looks like cheap plastic ?? On the way back home confused, I stopped by and drove the Avalon...WOW nice ride. Now I'm on the fence 300 or Avalon ? My biggest fear is going with a Chrysler knowing the rep of toyota. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

    300 Limited or Avalon XLS
  • ccriderccrider Posts: 26
    Hey jahvane, I was considering the 300 with the Avalon as well as a Maxima. I haven't bought one yet, but I'll be getting an Avalon. At this point I'm trying to decide on the XLS or the Touring. What knocked the 300 out for me was the reliability issues, the resale value, and the exterior colors available. There just wasn't a color that I liked very much. The Avalon, on the other hand, has great reliablity history, good resale value, and the Phantom Gray exterior. All things being equal concerning price, I think the Avalon is the superior choice.
  • jahvanejahvane Posts: 3
    I'll be making my decision here within the next 2 weeks, after many long nights of research and emailing friends who are pretty car savey, all points to the Avalon. I agree with reliability and resale. I still love that 300 look !!

    decisions decisions....
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=105147/pageId=63175
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 47
    After more evaluations of the Avalon, the 300, the Pacifica and Acura TL, all of which were very strong in some areas> finally came down for the Avalon. I was trying to get a Limited but the waiting list here in Ohio is 2 months plus so I am getting an XLS. Toyota screwed up big on the manufacturing priorities by assuming the Limited would be a lower demand vehicle than the XLS. I will be almost as happy with the XLS as with the Limited.
  • jickajicka Posts: 38
    The Avalon Owners Manual indicates that 87 Octane regular gasoline is listed first. If you want more performance (Like drag racing or such) Toyota recommends premium. Then again, I'm in the "geezer" category and I rarely challenge other drivers when the light turns green.
  • jahvanejahvane Posts: 3
    I got the Avalon Limited and happy with it. I had the same issue as stated earlier in finding the limited with all the toys. I finally found 1 that is white w/grey interior.
    I'm glad I decided to go with Toyota. Thanks to all that have posted to this site as it did help me in choosing. If there is any doubt between the 300 and Avalon.....go Avalon !!
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    Car and Driver did a six way comparison test featuring the Kia Amanti, Buick Lacrosse, Ford Five Hundred, Nissan Maxima, Chrysler 300 and Toyota Avalon.

    In the end, the 300 took second and the Avalon took first. C&D tested a 300 Touring, and Avalon Touring.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    That Avalon was surprisingly quick, a good handler, and had by far the best mileage of the group. Toyota has really turned that car around.
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