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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Cable bites.

    Get Satellite TV (I've got DirecTV although DishNetwork is supposed to be pretty good too).

    Just my .02.....
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,536
    Had "Dish Network" for about 2 months. Whenever it rained, snowed, the wind blew.....no signal. Plus, in my neighborhood, the don't allow sattelite dishes, of any size (although I flaunted the regulation with no complaints).

    Plus, when I bought an HD TV, they wanted me to buy about $600 more equipment to get HD broadcasts. I know I could have just invested in an antenna to get local channels in HD, but I've got to have HBO's Deadwood and Sopranos in HD (I need a life).

    Dumped Dish went back to cable. I haven't watched a SD program since.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    Can we reply if we own neither?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Haven't had the signal loss problem you've encountered (except in HEAVY rain).

    Don't have HD so that's not a concern.

    But I do have Speed Channel..... :shades:

    Only thing I miss about cable is my cable modem. Unfortunately, I live so far out in the sticks I can get neither cable service nor DSL. :cry: :sick: :cry:
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    The 350, which became Chevy's and eventually GM's, workhorse, proves that

    The 350 is gone and has been since a few years ago in HD trucks, 1999 in light trucks and 1998 in f-bodies, etc. The current Gen-III V8s are all new. And the 5.7L LS1s and LS6s are 346cid. It's flat out a completely different engine. Like a Ford 4.6 compared to a 302.

    LS2 can somewhat trace (and this is a very minute trace, like it's 4.4" bore spacing) itself to the 265 SB

    I wouldn't consider bore spacing to be trace-worthy, but I guess that's just my opinion. Considering everything else is different, I don't see the purpose. I mean, you can't interchange any parts, so why does that similarity matter? It doesn't really.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    Thankgod it was imported, build quality is better then any other GM car sold, even better interior then Vette.

    You know, I've been in a Vette (2001 Z06) and I've been in a GTO (2004) and I have to say, the only thing that really detracts from the C5's interior quality is the stereo head unit. If it had a higher end head unit, maybe something resembling a late model caddy, the interior would appear higher quality. The rest of the controls, the dash, etc. all seemed high quality to me (the C5 that is). The GTO's interior is pretty european. But those climate controls HAVE to go.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    But in the GTO forum, you said:

    The only thing I have noticed is that the Auto 4 upshifts too early. It shifts into TOP 4th gear as low as 30mph or less. I think as low as 28mph. [sounds like CAGS to me]...


    Well obviously since he has the auto, it's not CAGS. Though I guess the auto shift schedule sort of mimics what CAGS would in the manual. I don't think that's a problem, though. Never driven a GTO A4 but obviously if you want more acceleration, you push the gas more. Besides, most automatic cars I've driven (with the exception of my Caprice 9C1) seem to upshift too early and are geared to tall. With a 3.46 rear, the GTO obviously doesn't have a tall gearing problem.

    Well with today's technology, you don't see much of a disparage between automatic equipped cars and the same car equipped with a manual; especially not a 4MPG difference.

    I've already gotten to the bottom of this one. Historically, as far as cars with the LS1 are concerned (Corvette, F-body), GM always gives the A4 version a taller differential. Like 2.73. The M6 version would get 3.42. This allowed the A4 to reach similar highway numbers as the M6s in the Vette and f-body. But on the GTO, BOTH versions get 3.46. With a big 6 liter turning those high rpms on the highway (4L65-E has only a 0.7:1 OD ratio) with no displacement on demand, it gets the 21mpg rating...the car needs a 5-speed auto.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    I know that it was very expensive to insure Camaro/Firebrid's and that IMO is a big reason they stopped selling. People who bought them drove recklessly so the insurance went up.

    I'm not sure I'd go that far, but yeah, it's up there. I am not doing collision on either of my cars but I know that it costs about twice as much for liability for my 95 Z28 over my 93 Caprice. Comprehensive is also roughly 2x as much. Fortunately, even though I am only 24 with some tickets on my record, Progressive charges me under $700/6 months for two cars. That's not a bad deal.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Not a particularly auspicious start last night in the Rolex series race from Daytona for the brand new GTO-Rs.

    Three GTOs finished (?) dead last in class (26th, 27th, and 28th) and the last surviving GTO-R was punted into the wall by a DP class machine with around 15 laps to go. I think it was running around 12th in class when that happened; ended up in 20th place in class.

    Those Porsche GT3 Cup and BMW M3 cars are strong.

    Anybody know why the GTOs are in the Rolex series in GT class while the Mustangs are in the Grand Am series in GS class? And for some odd reason, the BMW M3 is in BOTH series (in GT class with the GTO-Rs and in GS class with the Mustangs). Sure would be nice if the GTO-R and the Mustang actually shared the same track at the same time.....
  • sputterguysputterguy Posts: 383
    Well, that's interesting. I would have expected a better performance considering how well the Holdens are doing in Australia. Did you watch it? Was there any commentary as to what the problem was? Was it tire or suspension problems, engine failure, drivers? I'm curious.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I was expecting a bit better performance myself. I think the problems were mostly just some teething issues in getting the cars sorted out. I remember seeing one GTO-R going out very earlier (lap 2-3 perhaps) with a fairly catastrophic engine failure (at least I assume so; he was leaving a very wide, shiny oil streak on the pavement behind him and nearly spun the car 3 times with oil on the rear tires before he could find a track exit around on the backside). Not sure what happened to 2 of the other GTO's but I know the last one was the victim of a bonehead move by Scott Pruett in one of the DP cars towards the end of the race which put the last GTO-R into the wall on the front straight, tearing the RF suspension out of the car.

    I look for them to do much better in the next race. Still don't know why the GTO's are in a completely different race series from the Mustangs.
  • sputterguysputterguy Posts: 383
    Thanks for the info. Wish I had Speed Channel. Glad I missed that race though.

    It is curious why the GTO and the Mustang aren't in the same venue and BMW is in both. Hopefully the GTO works out the bugs before going head to head with the Mustang.
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    The new August issue of Automobile puts the 05 GTO, Mustang GT, and Charger R/T against each other. The GTO wins EVERY performance test against its rivals. 0-60/0-100MPH: (GTO- 5.1/11.8, Mustang-5.6/13.7, Charger- 6.1/14.6). 1/4 Mile: (GTO- 13.6@108, Mustang- 14.2@103, Charger- 14.6@100). Top Speed: (GTO- 158, Mustang- 148, Charger- 149). Peak Cornering: (GTO- .90g , Mustang- .89g, Charger- .84g). Braking 70-0MPH: (GTO- 164ft, Mustang- 165ft, Charger- 166ft). Peak Braking G-force: (GTO- 1.07g, Mustang- 1.04g, Charger- 1.05g). This was the THIRD CONSECUTINVE test that the GTO has SWEEPED the Mustang GT in every performance benchmark (also MPH Magazine test, and Speed Channel test). Gotta love this car

    I'm sure we're still dead last in the "gotta have it" category, GM has to work on that, funny!
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    BTW, the GM employee discount deal does NOT apply to the GTO, Corvette, or Medium duty Chevy/GMC trucks. They must be selling well enough then. Lutza at GM in a very recent interview claims GM is selling every 2005 GTO they can build.
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    Why I picked the GTO. After having driven the GT (with leather and lots of options) there was just no comparison. The GTO sounded better, performed better, was more comfortable, and felt much more solid. At the time both cars were the exact same price with the $3000 "pound you in the rear" dealer markup on the Mustang.
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    Before I Test drove the V8 stang I rented a V6 model. Went up to the Hertz counter and saw they were available, so I thought I'd check out this "gotta have it" thing I've heard so much about. Granted, the one I rented was a six cylinder, but I think I can still be fairly objective about it.

    On the plus ide, the windows have the "express up" feature, which is pretty nice. Styling is a subjective thing, so I won't say much other than it's obvious many people like it since the dealers still aren't discounting the GT's.

    On the other hand, the inside of the car is just not going to impress anyone who has spent time in a GTO. All the panels are flat, and the plastic they use is hard and cheap looking. The car seems to have more bulk than it actually has because the beltline is so high and the hood arcs up so much, giving the car a ponderous feel.

    The tach and speedo are buried in two deep bowls, and it's difficult to get a quick sweep of them because they are separated too far apart. GTO's much easier to read.

    It occurred to me that renting a GTO would be a very difficult thing to do. Having to suffer with a V6 and cloth seats is an indignity a GTO owner will never suffer.

    It's easy to see why Ford is able to sell these so cheaply. In fact, I got the impression they're making a nice margin on them.

    Didn't give me an "gotta to have factor"
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    My buddy just bought a Mustang GT that he waited 3 + moths and paid Over MSRP for. When he sat in my GTO....his face said it all! HE could believe the GTO interior was that much nicer-comfortable!
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    I myself thought my GTO would blend in on the road.. well I had two different truck drivers literally hold back traffic with their rigs to ask me about the car, 10+ different people rolled their windows down to ask how much it was and I had at least one person walk up to check it out at every gas station I stopped at on the ride home from NJ to Fla when I picked it up.. A sleeper its not! at least not in yellow!
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    Where is the slalom results? I think the Charger might out-slalom the GTO.
  • kevm14kevm14 Posts: 423
    Lutza at GM in a very recent interview claims GM is selling every 2005 GTO they can build.

    I always enjoy hearing things like this. When has a manufacturer NOT sold every vehicle it can build? EVER?
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    There is a dealer down the road from me still advertising NEW 2004 Suzukis.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    If you have a lame car it will not sell. :cry: :P
  • gottabgtogottabgto Posts: 95
    Haha, no - the yellow model is definitely not a sleeper!
    Mine is black - much more sedate looking but then it's a blast when you get blow some beemer's (or Mustang's) doors off at a red light.
    Enjoy your car!
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    You should wait unitll the light turns green. :P
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    It's fun to keep up with or out run $70k CLK AMG 55's. Motor Trend did a head to head comparo with 2004 GTO vs 2004 AMG. Benz is the better car, but the Pontiac, "holden" did very well against it for less then half the price.
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    I always enjoy hearing things like this. When has a manufacturer NOT sold every vehicle it can build? EVER?

    Pontiac did NOT sell all the 2004 GTO's it built yet! There are still some new lingering around
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    Ditto!!! Every light...every time I come in the gate at work...people ask questions, stop and stare...point..
    For such an un-assuming car, it sure does turn some heads. Furthermore, I have taken the GTO down to various shows, "cruise-nights" parked it there and it has gotten as many if not more looks than the C6 and other vettes. People want to sit in them and when they find out that it has the LS2 they really seem to take to the car I have also gotten many people saying "nice car" as well. It stands out more then certain Mustang owners think.
  • gtogmgtogm Posts: 31
    2005 Saleen supercharged Mustang is listed at $48,000 and sports 400hp and 425 torque. But a GTO with similar hpa and save $15k

    A guy next to me had the NON-supercharged Saleen and said he paid nearly $45k with dealer markup, that guy got taken for RIDE! It' only has 10 or 20 more hp then regular GT in non S/C form?

    I hope he got gold plated door panels and jar of vaseline for that deal.
  • sputterguysputterguy Posts: 383
    My experience is that Mustang hp has always cost more than Pontiac hp, going way back.

    I wonder what the Saleen's top speed is?
  • sputterguysputterguy Posts: 383
    The car that is, not me. On the way in to work this morning I saw some open road and thought I would open it up and see what it would do. Got it up to 120mph before I caught up to traffic. I guess at that speed objects in front of you appear farther away than they are. Checked the tach and was a little over 3 grand. Lotta head room there.
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