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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • thesniperthesniper Posts: 44
    "'boring' hyundai could look like this."

    It's beautiful... just like a girl treated by Dr. 90210.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    The KBB I know only goes back 10 years or less. But I know what you mean. My Mazda 626 never spent a day in the shop after 11 years. It looked absolutely great, and everything still worked the day I sold it. I got $1000 more than the trade-in allowances I was offered, and I was delighted. If I take as good care of my 06 Sonata as I did my Mazda, I have no doubt I will have people lining up to buy it just like my last several vehicles. When talking re-sale value, everyone seems to ignore the seller's reputation. No, I wouldn't pay top dollar for a used car from a used car lot. However, I would pay top dollar for a car I knew, from a private individual I trusted.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    The bodykit Sonata is beautiful; however, what wolverine failed to mention is that bodykit, grill, lowering springs, etc. by Studie (a customizer on the same level as Brabus) is about as expensive as buying another Sonata. Over on cardomain there are hundrends of customized Accords and Accord customization is far cheaper. It isn't fair to compare a customized car to a stock Accord in looks. There are custom Accords that blow this Sonata out of the water.

    I don't like either design. I personally prefer the Sonata to the newer Accords, the slightly older (like 2004 models) before the butt surgery looked better. I did see a newer gray Accord yesterday on some beautiful rims that looked good. However, from the concept that Honda showed, the next Accord will look very good. The Sonata's design was based on other vehicles, Audi, Accord, etc. so it will become old real quick which is a drawback.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    When most people are shopping for a family sedan (me included) "looks" are not a major influence. None of them look like a Porsche or Ferrari. It's what's under the skin, that matters most. When you add up all the pros and cons, the Accord comes out on top.
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    The Honda Accord sets high marks for intelligent aerodynamic design...This design maximizes air flow over the auto...PLUS (if is possible) pedestrians are a bit safer when "attacked" by a Honda -- even break away windshield wipers. My 2 cents.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Kelley Blue Book has values for cars dating back to 1986, or 20 years.

    Just an FYI!

    Hope everyone's weekend is going great!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,475
    The last time I hit a pedestrian I was saying to myself that I wished the car was more friendly to the pedestrian in the shape of the front and that the windshield wipers would break away so as to do less injury to the pedestrian.

    Somehow that doesn't seem very important in safety design hierarchy.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If you ever did hit a pedestrian, suddenly it would be important. Wouldn't it? It's the sort of thing that wouldn't matter, until it happened to you.
  • steve333steve333 Posts: 200
    From what I understand the warranty is not transferrable, thats why Suzuki can advertise that they have the best warranty in the business-fully transferrable.
    Without the warranty I wouldn't buy a used Hyundai personally.
  • LOL. you are completely wrong. it isn't as expensive as buying another sonata. no sonata body kits costs 20k. LOL. it's just a bodykit. it's not like they are puting v8 on that thing

    i've seen plenty of these bodykits in korea, so it can't be that expensive. hyundai should have this studie bodykit as an option, or something close to it. hyundai needs to go after young buyers. that would change people's perception dramatically.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,771
    I think the Sonata, especially with the 17" alloys, looks fine w/o any bodykit. All those are good for is getting scraped on curbs in parking lots and on sharply-angled driveways.

    Anyone else notice that there is a strong resemblence between the rear of the '06 Accord and that of the '06 Impala? There wasn't any purposeful copying by either Honda or Chevy, of course, but it shows how easy it is for two sedans to have similar styling cues.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Working next to a Chevy store I did notice this change this year on the Impala ( for the better IMO ). It looks cleaner and more up to date. Also this :surprise: is not staring back at you when you follow it now.

    Now it seems that the Impala, Accord and Sonata all have the same look from the back.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,771
    Have you seen the '06 Accord? The rear end has been restyled for '06 and the taillamps are like the Impala's, not horizontal stripes that were used from '03-'05 and led some people to think they resembled the Sonata's.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    These body kits always look great in the companies advertisement pictures. But 90% of the cars I see on the road with body kits look terrible (big flimsy things hanging loosely, with scrapes on the bottom from dragging the ground). Some of them look like someone put a mack truck bumper on their car (way too big). Just my opinion.
  • master1master1 Posts: 340
    "led some people to think they resembled the Sonata's."

    I agree! I think it is rediculous. A Honda should NOT look like a Hyundai. Hyundai always copies designs from other car makers, interiors, exteriors, mechanical components. I really wish Honda would sue them for the identical copy of the lights. It really annoys me.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The Accord coupe had the triangle tails since 03. I guess people liked them more, so Honda switched the sedan to them too. It must have annoyed Hyundai too. As soon as they copy the Accord taillights, Honda changed them to the triangles. Tricky huh?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,771
    Honda is a smart company. They would not initiate a lawsuit they knew they couldn't win.

    Or maybe they are afraid of a similar lawsuit from GM, based on the '06 Civic looking a lot like the Saturn SL. Or from DC, based on Honda's copying the minivan design from them.

    Yes, it is certainly ridiculous. A Honda shouldn't look like an Impala.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    wolverine, I am talking from experience. I saw that bodykit BEFORE the Sonata was introduced in the US. I have the file if you'd like me to send it to you. Yes, it does not cost as much as a Sonata (that was just sarcasm), but I believe the cost was a little north of $5K.

    Studie, is like Brabus, an independent customizer, Hyundai can't list it as an option. You have to go directly to Studie for it and just like Brabus, they specialize in Mercs, BMWs, etc. and they are extremely expensive.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    Glad to have this forum back up.

    Hyundai with benchmarking both audi a6 and lexus 330 for the sonata i guess have sort of maximized the best of both worlds.

    Those who have driven or test driven this car, would you feel it has more of a european or japanese feel to it?
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Funny that people are talking about this. One salesman actually pointed out the "pedestrian-friendly" feature of the Accord to me.

    Of course, he's the same guy who keeps leaving me messages saying that he finally found the color I wanted in an Accord with Navi. I was looking for a 4 cyl 5 speed but this one is a "6 speed which would be more fun than the 5 speed." Does he think I don't know that would make it a V6??

    I suppose I should call him back and let him know I found my car two months ago.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Hmmm interesting question. I'd say it is more Camry like in the driving department (older model Camry, not brand new Camry. Interestingly enough to me, the Camry drive like American cars used to. Very soft ride. I which American cars were better though GM and Ford have been fighting back with the Impala and the Fusion. Now if they could just make some hot designs and improve on the Malibu and 500.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "The last time I hit a pedestrian"

    No offense, but you make it sound like you have quite a bit of experience in this area. :surprise:
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Hyundai always copies designs from other car makers, interiors, exteriors, mechanical components.

    Yes, isn't it ridiculous? The Sonata has 4 wheels like a Fusion, 1 trunk like a Milan, 2 tail lights like a Camry, 2 headlights like an Accord, and 1 steering wheel like a Mazda6.

    At this point, I think all car designs have been done before and must eventually be repeated. There's only so many permutations in the universe of car design. Believe me, no car maker wants to copy any other. There is only so much room on these little cars for aesthetic design. If you get radical with the design, you will infringe on something important... like leg room, head room, trunk capacity, engine bay room, or safety. I bet even your car looks like other cars in some respects. Bet? :D
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,475
    >Hyundai always copies designs from other car makers, interiors, exteriors, mechanical components.

    The accord copied the LaCrosse/Impala tailights for it's 2006 corrections of its earlier Buick-like tailight design.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    The accord copied the LaCrosse/Impala tailights for it's 2006 corrections of its earlier Buick-like tailight design.

    I seriously doubt that. Do they look alike? Yes. Were they copied? Not likely at all. Designs are usually "locked in" about 2 years before the cars are released to manufacturing. Designs are kept under the strictest secrecy. Just like ladies wearing the same dress to a party, coincidence's do happen. :D
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Those who have driven or test driven this car, would you feel it has more of a european or japanese feel to it?
    Japanese styling with American handling and ride. No Euro-feel to me (GLS I-4); European cars I drove had much more body control and tighter steering (Audi A4 Cabriolet, VW New Beetle, etc...).

    The closest "non-European" car to the European driving feel benchmark for under $25,000 IMO is my Accord. It steers and handles closest to the Audi A4 I drove; and while not quite as sweet to drive, I can fit four people in comfort (did it this weekend on a trip to the lake) and got 32 MPG to boot (no interstate, just twisty roads near Mt. Cheeha in AL, the tallest Mtn. in the state).

    P.S. I haven't driven a 2007 Camry, just a 2006 LE, which drove similarly to the Sonata; so i can't judge that car's handling.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    The Sonata definitely handles like the Japanese cars. Not severe on bumps like the Euro cars, a good dose of understeer. It handles somewhere between the Accord (sportier) and the Camry (softer).
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    The closest "non-European" car to the European driving feel benchmark for under $25,000 IMO is my Accord.

    Among the cars I have driven, I would give that to the Mazda6. But you're right, the Accord leans toward a "Euro" feel.
  • ar39ar39 Posts: 61
    I agree with bobad. If you would like to see imitations, check-out that new Chinese car which will roll out in the US around 2010. I dont remember the name but, I thought I saw a Merc C class at first glance. Closer observation revealed a different class all-together or was there any class :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Mazda 6 IS a great handling car, but it lacks the dampening feel that BMW offers, which I feel like the Accord does a little better (though it's no Bimmer). The Mazda is MORE athletic than the Euro cars I had driven. Impressive for a family car, eh?
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