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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread



  • meateatermeateater Posts: 123
    Have you owned or even driven a recent Hyundai, especially the Sonata or Azera?

    I've driven both these cars. I liked the Sonata's price tag for what you (seem to) get. Little unsure about owning a Hyundai for the long term just yet.

    I don't get the appeal of the Azera. Once you get into the higher dollars for a vehicle, Hyundai is low on my list. The Azera just seems plain Jane. Stick with the Sonata.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I don't get the appeal of the Azera. Once you get into the higher dollars for a vehicle, Hyundai is low on my list. The Azera just seems plain Jane. Stick with the Sonata.

    I agree. The Sonata seems to be a lot for the buck, but I think people have a 7' ceiling when it comes to how much money they'll put into a Hyundai.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    For this reason precisely, Toyota launched Lexus, Nissan Infiniti, and Honda Acura (first and less of a segway...)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    Go take a look at the Azera owners discussion--seems quite a few people will put over $25k into a Hyundai. Also, the Sonata will shoot above $25k MSRP once features like nav are added.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Speaking of Nav, do you know when Hyundai will add it as a factory option?

    I can't understand why that something that was available in Korea 8 years ago, and is now available on the Korean Elantra, is not available here.
  • beantownbeantown Posts: 227
    The Sonata would never make my short list for one reason: the interior. IMO - it is the ugliest in the class. Considering that is where I will be looking at the car 95% of the time, it HAS to look good. I can't even count how many posts from Hyundai loyalists have commented on how they missed the mark with this one, so I know my opinion is shared.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Posts not specifically about vehicles have just now been and will continue to be removed.

    Comments to me should be made in email, not here.

    We are talking about specific cars, not economies.

    The News & Views board is for opinionated conversation about these kinds of things. The Sedans board, where you are, is about sedans. If you don't like a sedan in this class, speak to the features and attributes of the sedan. Not the economy that you perceive is behind it.

    I am going to continue to try to save this discussion for a bit longer. It has been a long-running and useful conversation, and it is a shame for a few to ruin it for the rest. But we are on our last legs - not threatening, just sharing the reality with you.

    When someone makes an off-topic post, as in a post not about the vehicles themselves, you people who want the discussion to continue need to not respond and instead make every effort to right the listing ship instead of taking the bait. You are the ones in control of the future here, not I.

    Sorry for the harsh reality. I really am. But it's up to you; I cannot make this work with so many of you posting every which way but on-topic
  • mahirimahiri Posts: 26
    I am debating between buying a Saturn ION for about 10,900 or a 1997-98 used Honda Civic (70,000 miles) for 7,000. I would appreciate any input on which is the better deal.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    I agree that the interior is horid, though I fear for our safety for saying such things about the beloved Sonata.

    Anyhow, to get away from the "Sonata Midsize Forum" for a little bit which is what the forum has been for pages on end. Has anyone seriously looked at the VW Passat? I had a chance to see a white one and they are on sale at dealers near me to clear out the 06 models. They have a ton of nice standard features and don't even come in clothe!! I sat in the baseline Value Edition with a friend of mine and honest too goodness didn't know it was leatherette until the salesman told me. We then sat in a leather model and noticed we liked the firmer feel of the leatherette better!!! Good stuff, real good stuff. The outside is as bland as a piece of wood though.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    You might have better luck with your question in a discussion dedicated to small cars like the ION and Civic, or maybe in the "Purchasing Used Vehicles" discussion.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    Does every post of yours need to drip with sarcasm about Hyundais/Sonatas?

    What are the prices on these '06 Passat VEs, and how do you suppose the leatherette would feel in the summer (i.e. I wonder if it breathes)? The Passats have very good safety scores (IIHS "Silver" pick) in their favor, but reliability has not been a strong suit. Maybe the new model will be better there.
  • jimmy81jimmy81 Posts: 170
    Let me be the one that says lurking this thread has been pretty enjoyable. Loyalties abound. I think its great to let everybody have a chance to lay it out there on a site like this. If we all agreed how great we are than it would be, well, very boring. I say let it ride (maybe I missed the juicy stuff tho).
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Go the ION you get a warranty and most of all a new car that will last you..
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    These boards are great! A great way to get information, find information and spread information.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    What is this car doing on this board? The Passat is a very spendy vehicle. They start at about 24K on up to about 36K! This car is a notch above the Camry/Accord/Fusion/Sonata/Altima ect.. :surprise:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    You may not have noticed, but the 2007 Camry is in that same range now--$24k for a loaded LE I4, and over $30k for a loaded XLE V6, and even more for the hybrid. But I see your point. I too see the Passat in the next class up--with the likes of the Avalon and Azera. But there's a lot of overlap, plus the Passat is VW's only mid-sized sedan.
  • booyahcramerbooyahcramer Posts: 172
    Does every post of yours need to drip with sarcasm about Hyundais/Sonatas?

    Not everybody loves Hyundais. These boards do seem to attract the Hyundaiers tho, that's for sure.

    But where are the Fusioners? I test drove one twice cause the first drive was uneventful. The second time was about the same. I give it a B- when it comes to taking on the others in this comparo. But this is a tough class to hang with. I gotta hand it to Sonata LX tho. A much better run at CamCords than the Fusion.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    As far as the Sonata interior, while there are better interiors out there, this one works, simply because it's inoffensive. Would I like to see improvements? Sure! And that's what refreshes are for...

    At the same time, every car has merits and downsides, at least mass produced cars. Just as much as there are room for improvements on the Sonata, the same goes for others; every single car mentioned in here.

    Just as an aside, from talking with current Sonata owners and examing the car on a personal basis many times, the build quality on this car is superb - a clear indication how far Hyundai has come from the past, on its full-line. Numbers speak for themselves, as more and more people praises Sonata and Hyundai - competing exceptional well in respectively classes of their lineup.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    "What is this car doing on this board? The Passat is a very spendy vehicle."

    The Passat is a little upscale for this general forum but I havce been seeing some attractive pricing in the Sunday papers that perked my interest so I wanted to see what everyone thought of it.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    "Does every post of yours need to drip with sarcasm about Hyundais/Sonatas?"

    When a car is treated like it is created by God, Himaelf and the majority of people would sacrifice their first born instead of admitting that the car is not the end all, be all, of all things. When someone can compare the car to any other car, a Civic, a Mazda3, a 3 Series, a Rolls Royce Phantom. When this happens instead of trying to shine a flash light in the effort to bring light to a universe with no sun (a pointless venture), I will counter with sarcasm. :)
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