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I don't find the laCrosse shares much from the leSabre. The 3800 in a different tune/torque state.
>take the puny 4 they put in the base Caprice and simmilar) 3400lb
What 4 cylinder in the Caprice? What year? The largest car I recall having a 2.5 l. 4-cyl was the Century A-body group. And the 87 I had was quite peppy up to 85.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Or the Lucerne. The 3800 is woefully underpowered in it. The only engine they should offer with it is the V8.
3.0 liters and 145 horsepower... 1996 must have been hard times at Ford. The Accord with a 2.2L 4-cylinder achieved the same horsepower, and offered an optional V6 with 170 hp.
You sure they build the X5 in Spartanburg? I know they build the other 2 there.
Spartanburg South Carolina
Scroll down to the "Economy" Section.
However, you were partially right, the X3 is assembled in Austria instead of South Carolina.
speaking of 0-60, some vehicles shift once and others twice by the time they ge tto 60 mph. life doesn't stop there.
Hyundai's sales are dropping. Their initial luster seems to be wearing off. Except at the airport rental lots.
Many folks don't have to pinch pennies either when buying a car. Hyundai has to price their cars less or people won't buy them when there's a Camcord for the same price.
Toyota a status car?
You've got to be kidding me. If you want to start with your "status car" speech I think you are definitely in the wrong place. You should try the "Entry Level Luxury Sports Sedan" board.
When you see the pictures side by side, you can see the differences in the head and taillights etc., but the coupe's overall look reminds many of the IS when there isn't a photo of the IS right next to it.
Just make sure I got this right, so you were saying...
When the coupe is next to an IS, they don't look alike, but
When the coupe is NOT next to an IS, they do.
What?
Different headlight, different fender, different bumper, different tail, the IS has simple lines but the coupe has busier ones and last but not least, the coupe's hood doesn't have IS' "bump". With all those differences and you are saying they look alike?
What?
However, that does not mean that it looks like an IS. Looking good enough to be a Lexus has NOTHING to do with being look like an IS.
Its an iron block, the damm thing rusts all over the coolant channels. The ignition coil on mine had problems way before 100k miles on the engine. There was still a problem accelerating under load that could have been the engine... it would lose all power for 2-3 seconds. Might be the fuel injectors (which had been cleaned multiple times). Bullet proof I was hoping, but I'd be more glad to put bullets into it by the time I got rid of the car. Which was before it reached 100k miles. What a total POS of reliability!
The Duratec is even worse - people have had spark plugs melt into the engine block. That is the basis of the engine that is now the Fusion V6.
Ford engines... :sick:
I forgot to add - the power is pretty adequate in a Taurus though with the Vulcan... it ain't earth shattering, but it beats econoboxes of past (like the '94 Corolla I used to have) for merging/driving on highways. But that was only until things started going wrong... I could never know what it was going to do next if I didn't go gentle on the gas. And it felt pretty comfortable cruising around 70... could do more, but the engine noise/smoothness/higher RPM/etc gets to you, it isn't just cruising at 80 but working out some.
based on the previous accord, i think it a better looking.
need to see a real one, pictures can be deceiving.
Yes and I'll contend that, to the extent there is any difference at all, the better handling 4 adds more to safety that does the excess power of a V6.
as toyota and honda are now finding out, when you sell a lot of a vehicle and there is a problem, the recall numbers get big and you hear more complaints.
Spin it how you want. Lower sales are lower sales.
Shoot - even Honda's sales are down. You don't hear them trying to spin it with some silly reasoning.
and btw...go tell the owner of a Noble M400 that their duratec 3 liter is slow. how many other engines in the midsize sedan class do you find have been chosen to power an exotic?
don't get me wrong though...i think having a nissan, honda, or even the hyundai engine in my mazda6 would definitely be a nice improvement, but I'd never sacrifice the better handling and braking of the mazda6 to get one of these more powerful engines.
the designers at porsche and cosworth did a good job of designing the duratec and even after being in service for many years it still is an integral part of some cars that are very fun to drive.
"It's plenty zippy, which is good, but it's no Honda. It feels a rung lower than my Accord did, but its cheaper, so I guess thats expected. I would have traded my Accord for it though. It has a power-window problem in the driver's door."
For the record, I haven't seen the car, and it IS a rental. Dad's Accord he compares to is his old 2005 EX I-4 which he recently traded for a 2007 Civic EX. He kept saying it felt "a rung lower" and cheaper than the Honda. Not really sure what he was referring to exactly though.
He did like the engine power a lot, but I should mention the only two V6 engines he has ever owned were a Chrylser LeBaron (3.0L, 141 hp) and my parents' first joint car purchase, a Ford LTD Sedan (not sure what engines were offered in this, anybody know?).
What ? is their something erong with that ?????
Rocky
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a cast-iron block, as cars have used them for decades (at least a century now!). The problem with rust forming in the coolant channels is due to poor cooling system maintenance on the part of the owner. Keep the coolant/water (preferably distilled water) at a 50/50 mix, flush and change every 2 years or 24K, and you won't have any rust forming in a cast-iron block. The cooling system is one of the most neglected service items on any car.
One interesting note re: rentals. The '06 Hyundai Sonatas that Avis in Milwaukee and Chicago use seem to be wearing well, but are getting high in mileage, so I wonder if they will be replaced with the new ones. There are a ton of Sonatas in the fleet. Interestingly, while in Detroit for the show two weeks ago, I noticed that Budget had a TON of brand new, as yet unused (just delivered) basic Altimas. I hadn't realized that Nissan was going to use fleet sales to a greater degree with this gen, and right now thats just a hypothesis, but it sure seemed that way. I counted at least 3-4 dozen. Toyota continues to place Camry SEs in fleets, and last I read that rate was about 8-9% of Camry sales.
~alpha
When you see the pictures side by side, you can see the differences in the head and taillights etc., but the coupe's overall look reminds many of the IS when there isn't a photo of the IS right next to it.
So what you are saying is that the Accord Coupe looke like something you would perceive to be designed by Lexus, because, obviously, if two models don't have any similarity next to each other, they really can't be all that same..
There are far better long-life coolant formulations available, as DEX-COOL, and the old "neon green stuff," are the cause of many cooling system problems. But, all of this discussion is better suited for another forum.
Sorry to hear you had bad luck.
Had the same problem with my 96 Taurus. Always smelled coolant with that car. Flushed it twice and the coolant was always dirty. What a joke. When I can just buy an Accord and never have to be concerned with this kind of issue, why would I ever buy another Ford?
Altho Ford may be gone soon anyway. How many $14 billion loss years can you string together before you throw in the towel?
"I had a 99 Odyssey that was recalled 4 times. Why would I ever buy another Honda?"
Exploding gas tanks in Crown Vics - police and taxi cabs, resulting in deaths.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060101/AUTO01/601010379/1148- - -
Hundreds of people dead from the Ford Explorer tire issue...
http://www.firestone-tire-recall.com/pages/overview.html
Dead people driving Fords. I can't think of anything in the annals of Toyota/Honda recalls that can come close or even any that has resulted in actual deaths.
Oh yeah - and my Taurus had a recall on the front coil springs, they could fail and rupture the tire causing a blowout leading to a crash. All they did is install a shield for it... if the coil spring did break on me, it was still going to destabilize the car, just not as bad as a tire blowout.
Instead of squabbling over anecdotal evidence, let's talk about the cars themselves.
A viscious cycle. Ford's unlikely to issue new stock to raise money. It appears the only way to do it is to cut the company in half or less.
The Fusion needs some tweaks. Where's that money gonna come from?
The last time we got into the ins and outs of manufacturer quality here we ended up with an extended free-for-all that got the discussion shut down.
The features and attributes of the cars fitting the criteria are the topic here, please. Manufacturer issues can be debated in the appropriate place, of which this is not one. See the link posted in the beginning of this post.