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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    First it was one of my reason why i chose this car vs the accord i don't know why i have to defend it

    and also logically speaking, styling can definitely be objective in terms of objects. Honda has already proven my own point by changing their back end once too many times and not for the sake of change.(no confidence)

    The soanta has put in alot more attention to detail for the exterior, the paint is alot richer, and they do deserve credit for trying and executing
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    high rating in all crash tests

    According to the IIHS side test, the Sonata received an "Acceptable". I wouldn't call that a high rating. Hyundai has the safety systems down. But their side crash test ratings still need improvement.

    If you notice, the Sonata is placed lower than the Accord in the rating area.
    link title I wouldn't call the Sonata "the volvo of the non luxury mid size cars now" Actually, the Volvo S40 is placed at the same area as the Sonata :P

    Hyundai still needs to improve its side safety. The Azera's scores were just released. It too received an "acceptable".
    link title

    I was seriously considering a Hyundai as my second car. But with its current crash test ratings, it gives me second thoughts. They're fairly good, but not great. Although, the Entourage's scores are excellent. I am pretty certain they'll improve their side crash results in the next few years.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    The sonata got good for front and back crash test and acceptable for side. The accord for good for front and side and poor for rear crash test.

    With that i think its pretty even

    But the sonata goes a step further having more airbags std, esc std everything and brakes that makes it the leader in stopping distance in its class. I think thats alot of effort for safety sakes
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    But the sonata goes a step further having more airbags std, esc std everything and brakes that makes it the leader in stopping distance in its class. I think thats alot of effort for safety sakes

    Having more airbags standard? The Accord has 6, the Sonata has 6 too. Is there an airbag I'm missing?

    I admit the Sonata's big safety advantage is the standard equipment on all models. But that doesn't mean the crash test ratings can be lower. I really hope Hyundai improves their side ratings. The 2008 Accord will most likely achieve a "Gold" rating, after looking at the Civic's impressive scores. It's possible that with some tweaks to the Sonata's structure, it to can receive a "Gold" rating.

    It seems after looking at the Sonata's and Azera's side scores. The areas where they received "Acceptable"-Torso, and "Poor"-Pelvis/leg are identical. Both their safety structures, received "marginal". They both have the same problems.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    "They both have the same problems."

    why bring in the azera into the equation?? do you want me to bring in the entourage vs. odyssey into the equation?

    Still pelvic poor scoring or not(from safety perspective nitpicking), i would definitely feel safer in a sonata having esc, better brakes and good rear crash rating for the passengers peace of mind.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "Saturn Competitively Prices 2007 AURA
    June 9, 2006

    Earlier today Saturn reportedly revealed pricing for its all-new AURA midsize sedan to retailers around the country. The AURA is set to officially go on sale later next month. SaturnFans.com has learned that the manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) for the 2007 AURA will start at $20,595 for the XE model equipped with GM's 3.5L V6 with variable valve timing (VVT). The uplevel XR model powered by a 3.6L DOHC V6 with VVT and GM's new 6-speed automatic transmission will start at $24,595. According to the company, "the AURA's MSRP, long list of standard equipment, refined interior and bold exterior design reinforce Saturn's commitment to offering solid value while executing products like never before."

    Comparison shoppers may note that pricing for the 2006 Honda Accord - one of the AURA primary competitors - starts at a little over $18,000. However, the base Accord only comes with a 4-cylinder coupled to a manual transmission; the 4-cylinder automatic Accord starts at over $19,000. Meanwhile, the AURA XE comes with a standard V6 and is equipped with more standard equipment that the Accord. Honda's better equipped automatic Accord V6 starts at over $25,000."
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The above prices include destination.

    Adding leather, sunroof, power pass. seat and power pedals to the XR will add $2025, to bring the total to $26,620.

    Looks like Navi is not an option, for now.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Very interesting! I will be driving one ASAP.

    Does Saturn still have the "no haggle" pricing policy? If not, we're talking about a possibly nice car at a possibly very affordable price.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Honda has already proven my own point by changing their back end once too many times

    Your point being...they refresh too often? Well, don't go shopping for a Ford then, as their vehicles get MANY updates before a total redesign. I'm not sure if you are referring to the change from amber turn signals to red as a full blown rear-end styling change, but it's quite minor IMO. the 2006 was the main MMC, and taillight design is often updated at this time, as seen below.

    1994-1997

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    In the 1994-1997 models, they completely redesigned the taillights, adding width (by adding more on the trunklid), and making larger and more visible blinkers and brakelights, more than just a lens change, to be sure.

    Exterior style and exterior quality are two different things...richer paint? Doesn't look like anything that a designer would style to me. The paint of my graphite pearl still looks wet since I've waxed it, so I have nothing to complain about in the "paint is a lot richer" department. I never said the Sonata was ugly, in fact I did a lot trying to give credit to Sonata. Heaven knows I wouldn't have given them a second look three years ago, but lately is a different story. I seriously considered a V-6 Sonata, but my ultimate want for a 4-cylinder (for fuel economy reasons - college student paying for gas here) meant that the Accord won out for me.

    Everyone is a little stressed/tense in here it seems...rough week folks?

    Everyone get a glass of water...it's time for the weekly chill pill. :)
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    I was parked by a new dark blue car the other day, and looked closely at the paint to see if it had a metal flake similar to mine. What I saw were ripples and orange peel galore. When I looked to see who has such sloppy paint, I saw it was a BMW! I have yet to see better paint on a new car than on my Sonata. I guess the robots were very happy the day it got painted. Oh, and the panel lines on that Bimmer were no finer or more accurate than mine. I love robots... :D
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Never heard of this survey, but it's interesting. It doesn't seem to rate the cars, but the manufacturer's marketing methodology. It doesn't appear to be a good tool for judging car quality and reliability.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646

    why bring in the azera into the equation?? do you want me to bring in the entourage vs. odyssey into the equation?


    Why does this have to get personal?
    I only brought the Azera in because I found it interesting that they had identical injuries.

    Still pelvic poor scoring or not(from safety perspective nitpicking
    I'd rather suffer from whiplash than a broken pelvis- IIHS seems to think so too (they did place the Accord at a higher ranking)
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Aura seems very attractive. The interior looks surprisingly upscale. Can't wait to test drive one.

    I hope the car drives as well as it looks.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Well there you have it folks. The Hyundai Sonata is not only the best car in the world, but the paint jobs are better than those found on BMWs, or on any other car for that matter.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Well there you have it folks. The Hyundai Sonata is not only the best car in the world, but the paint jobs are better than those found on BMWs, or on any other car for that matter.

    I will acknowledge the Sonata is a pretty good car, but I disagree it's the best car in the world! It's OK for you to like your Sonata, but let's keep our feet on the ground, OK? :D :D :D

    All I said was my Sonata had a better paint job than that particular Bimmer, and I don't see enough Bimmers to know if that was typical or not.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    All I said was my Sonata had a better paint job than that particular Bimmer, and I don't see enough Bimmers to know if that was typical or not.

    I really don't doubt your claim. BMW may be the Ultimate Driving Machine, but it isn't the ultimate 'quality' machine IMO. The Sonata has a lot more going for it than many car owners/shoppers give it credit for, including my fellow Honda owners (though it certainly isn't limited to those).
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Not sure if this has been posted or not, but the 2007 Sonata is up on the official website.

    The model designations have changed. Now it is GLS, SE and Limited.

    MSRP prices seem to have gone up a few hundred. The only incentives are a $1000 rebate and some APR offers. The incentives will probably increase as the 2007's gradually replace the 2006's.

    I don't know what the changes are, or what any additional features are. If you see any, please feel free to share. Curiously, the V6 seems to have "lost" 1 horsepower and is now 234 hp.

    http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/sonata.aspx
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Like you said, Hyundai tweaked the model trim designations, to align with the trims for the rest of the vehicle lineup.

    Changes are minmal, as expected, given this is still only the second year since the new model introduction. MSRPs on the I4s are lowered, I believe; while V6s will see a slight increase (very little). The kicker though, there are added features on each trim and a lot of combinations you can play with (such as power driver seat now available on base model):

    "17" on all trims
    Chrome grille
    New color choices
    Black leather with contrast grey stitching
    Ultimate package - Chrome side moldings, rear lip spoiler, Platinum badging, and Platinum stitched floormats.
    Infinity audio system
    Audio control on the steering wheel and XM as late availabilty."

    Of course, the comprehensive standard features and equipement are carried over.

    Few more changes I have to dig up, but 07s should be on the lot now at your local dealer.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Honda has already proven my own point by changing their back end once too many times and not for the sake of change.(no confidence)

    What is wrong with changing the car's looks, from year to year? Honda has always done this. This way you can tell exactly what year an Accord is, just by looking at the exterior. It's how they attract buyers to the new model.

    The Ford Taurus stayed with the same basic look for years and years (never changing much). Where is the Taurus now? Extinct, like many other American Dinosaurs, such as the Chevy Corsica and Baretta, Chrysler LaBaron, New Yorker, and Ford Contour, Escort.
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