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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    "I think even though the 94-97 Accord is smaller than the later models, the fit and finish and interior material quality are far superior."

    Having owned Accords from that generation (actually 2 of them) and the current generation I would have to say just the opposite is true. Perhaps pleasant memories are overtaking any kind of rational thought. The fit and finish and material quality of the current Accord is well beyond ANY Honda/Acura product of that era.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    G6 purchased 12 mo's ago to be traded in this month.

    Original loan : $27,000
    Payoff : $24,000
    ACV : $13,000

    2006 G6 V6, w/8700 mi, S/R, 6 Disc, prolly $1000 or so of rebatables in the P/O Amt.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Is this real? Did the car depreciate 50% in 12 months? Incredible!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Double checked with Edmunds here:

    Current TMV on a new 2006 model is just under $24000 plus Taxes, etc so $26-27K sounds right including GAP and Road Hazard Protection.

    'Clean' condition is $13000 - $14000 on trade in, average is about $13000.

    Love your G6, you'll have it for a while.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Not hard when you pay an outrageous $27,000 for a G6 and then dump it in a year for a dealer's lowball trade-in value.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    ACV may be $13,000, but typical trade-in value normally quoted by a dealer, and certainly the private sale value, are higher. When I sold cars, the only time you quoted ACV was on a vehicle with over 100K.

    I would recommend that the owner of the G6 either sell his vehicle himself or visit another dealer - he's being taken to the cleaners!
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    And some people rag on the Sonata for low resale. Hah.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    I beg to differ. ACV = actual cash value, i.e what the car is worth. Of course there are several pricing guides to a used car's worth. GALVS usually has the lowest value (to favor a dealer taking a car in trade.) Dealers usually use GALVS and willingly show the "book value" when trying to low ball your trade-in value.
  • lahirilahiri Posts: 394
    Why are you trading in a car so new? Quality problems?
  • That's a good point. Our Malibu's short to mid term reliability was great but that doesn't mean it was going to be reliable in the long run. Good thing we didn't have the chance to find out. Unfortunately, in all the long term tests (Edmunds.com or any other journal) they only keep the cars for one year, which is not that meaningful.
  • Civic SI looks great, as do the other Civics. I agree about the Accord. What did they do to the styling? It used to look good (about 10 years ago).
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    ACV may be $13,000, but typical trade-in value normally quoted by a dealer, and certainly the private sale value, are higher. When I sold cars, the only time you quoted ACV was on a vehicle with over 100K.

    Since nearly all new vehicles are sold at or near invoice ( ACV ) the true worth of a trade is the ACV it will bring at auction. It's what you can turn it into cash for within a week. Yes anyone can sell it privately and gain $3-4000 - and they should - if they have the time and want to expend the effort.

    My sister and her husband are moving and wanted a 4WD SUV for the new area they'll be in. They don't have the time right now to sell it on their own. I suggested CarMax. But Mannhaim, the Black Book and Edmunds all had the trade-in values in the $13-$14,500 range, depending on condition.
  • lahirilahiri Posts: 394
    Aura weighs 3600 lb, about 600 lb more than Accord/ Altima. More weight means lower HP to weight ratio, a slower and dull vehicle that's more thirsty at pumps.
  • have you seen the passat? It weighs almost 4k pounds and has 280 horses and its really fast! Mpg is decent also!

    -cj :)
  • lahirilahiri Posts: 394
    Yes, seen them on the road and at dealerships. But Passat is expensive :(
  • Accord EX V6 - 3435 lbs.
    Camry XLE V6 - 3516 lbs.
    Aura XR - 3660 lbs.

    Not quite a 600 lb. difference. Where do you get your information?
  • I want to buy an I4 midsize sedan. I'm not looking for fancy gadgets, just the best value.

    2007 Sonata GLS has a larger interior (105 cu ft), better crash scores, longer warranty, standard ABS, standard traction, standard stability, 3 rear headrests, interior air filtration, heated outside mirrors, and rear heat ventilation ducts.

    The 2007 Fusion SE has 100 cu ft interior, standard 16 inch alloy wheels, in dash 6 CD changer, 2 rear headrests, and optional ABS.

    Equipped with the automatic transmission and ABS, the Fusion SE MSRP is $20,300 and invoice $18,748.

    With no options the 2007 Sonata GLS has a MSRP of $18,895 and invoice of $17,707.

    Even the 2007 Fusion S trim with optional automatic transmission and ABS is more expensive with an MSRP of $19,440 and invoice $18,147.

    The only plus the Fusion has over the Sonata is style. The S and SE MSRP and invoice should definitely be less than the Sonata's to be a good buy.

    A 2007 Honda Accord Value Edition has an MSRP of $20,020 and invoice of $18,111. Don't like that there's drum instead of disc rear brakes, has 103 cu ft interior, only 2 speakers, standard ABS, manual outside mirrors, rear heat ventilation ducts, and 15 inch steel wheels but it's an Accord.

    2007 Camry CE with optional stability control has MSRP $20,550 and invoice of $18,777. It has interior of 101 cu ft, ABS standard, 16 inch steel wheels, 3 rear headrests, and 6 speakers.

    Both 2007 Accord and Camry have better crash scores than the Fusion.

    How will the Fusion compete with a 2007 Accord Value edition and Camry CE with similar prices?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Accord LX = 3197#
    Aura XE = 3529#
    Passat VE = 3344#

    weights are with ATX and from edmunds
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "However I was a little disappointed with a faulty rear seat fold down mechanism in my spanking new Honda when our then-new Malibu had zero defect for 3 years. I'm still loving it though."

    Faulty rear seat mechanism in your new Honda.. Why is this ok? :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    You need to decide some things. For example, how important is electronic stability control to you? Some of the cars you are looking at don't have it available even as an option. Also, you need to decide if you can live with the looks of all of these cars. You noted you prefer the style of the Fusion over the Sonata. Is that a big deal to you? Also, would you like living with a car that doesn't have amenities like power mirrors, more than 2 speakers, and traction control?

    After you figure these things out, you need to go take all the cars that are still on your list on a long test drive. After that, you could rent the car(s) that are still on your list for a weekend (all except the Accord anyway).

    If you are really set on the Accord, you can try to find a '06 LX close-out special--may be hard to find, but it's a nicer car than the VE and won't be any different (except price) than a '07 LX. Same thing for the Sonata--the '06 really isn't much different than the '07 and you could save some bucks (bigger rebate and discounts) on a '06--you might even be able to find a '06 GLS V6 for less than a '07 I4, if a V6 appeals to you.
  • Can't find a '06 I4 Sonata in my area (NYC).

    I'm really not interested in buying an Accord VE over a Sonata GLS. I think the Camry CE would cost a lot more money than a Sonata GLS.

    I added them to my earlier post to show you could get a 2007 Accord VE or Camry CE for almost the same price as the Fusion SE.

    ABS (as airbags) should be standard in midsize family cars. Compact sedans I could see ABS being an option.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    "Faulty rear seat mechanism in your new Honda.. Why is this ok?"

    Who said it was? The dealership fixes it and life goes on. No reason to stop enjoying your new car on this is there? Do you have an inferiority complex with Hondas?
  • Didn't say a thing about you having to like the looks. Just criticized your ability to decide what looks good. BTW if you want rambling I can put my 2 year old grandson on here to peck... ;)
  • I feel the same way about the Toyota Camry. Just a few years ago they had one with what many considered bland styling yet the lines worked well and the car still looks good today. I have several in my neighborhood. But now I think the styling just looks terrible. Maybe the stylists are getting bored. I love Toyota's, I owned one and drove it to well into the 150,000 mile range. Great cars. They are just priced now so if you are on a budget you can't afford them. :)
  • Actually, I've found more problems with my car. Just noticed that the passenger airbag off light doesn't come on when no one in the seat! It also has intermittent small rattles from the dash and underneath the car (?). I still enjoy driving it immensely, but can't say I'm overwhelmed by its quality. My 1st tank gave 32 mpg though. So mechanically it should be in great shape.
  • I was in the same boat several weeks ago. "The only plus the Fusion has over the Sonata is style." You hit the nail on the head right there. I loved the Fusion's styling but was disappointed it didn't have the side airbags and ABS standard (06). I checked out the Sonata but was disappointed with its bland style. In the end, we bought an Accord Value Package (06) for $16,300 and got eveything we wanted. At this price the Honda is by far a much better value than the Hyundai and Ford, especially the Fusion.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    But Passat is expensive

    Normally I'd agree with you, but this weekend one of my local VW dealers is offering new '06 Passat 2.0T automatics for only $20.8k. I think that is a pretty good price, considering the equipment on the car. Compare for example to a '07 Camry XLE I4 with comparable equipment. The Passat has a stronger engine also.
  • I'm looking to get a new car by this fall, or the beginning of next year. I really want something that looks nice and sporty, something new that a lot of people don't have yet. I was considering the 2007 Nissan Altima and the 2007 Honda Accord. Is there a big difference between the two? Or is there any other new mid-size sedan I don't know about? Thanks and God Bless.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    ... something new that a lot of people don't have yet.

    The biggest difference is that late this year or early next year, few people will be driving around in 2007 Altimas, but there will be about 1.7 million people driving around in the current-generation Accords.

    The Saturn Aura and Chrysler Sebring are also brand-new for 2007. You'll have to decide if you think they are "sporty" looking or not. If you think the looks of the 2007 Elantra are sporty and aren't looking for a powerful engine, you could check that out also as it is all-new for 2007. Same for the 2007 Sentra, it will have mid-sized room and a Maxima-esque look.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    "I was considering the 2007 Nissan Altima and the 2007 Honda Accord. Is there a big difference between the two?"

    The 2007 Altima is all new and the 2007 Accord is the same as the 2006 model. Between those two the new Altima would probably fit your criteria the best.

    Other cars new for 2007 are the Saturn Aura and Chrysler Sebring. Though not new for 2007 but still fairly exclusive is the VW Passat and to some extent the Ford Fusion.

    You have a lot of good cars to pick from.
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