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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    So what ya think of a CVT transmission? I think I would miss the shift of gears feel. I am getting old fashioned, or just don't like missing that old time feeling - take your pick ;)
    -Loren
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    altima two thumbs up and sentra= the nastiest designed small car

    man is it nasty. Look for the elantra to come in and do some damage to that segment. Its interior is better than the civc and mazda 3 imo

    Hyundai with also the santa fe, is going to be a dangerous auto company in years to come
  • ykangykang Posts: 88
    Hyundai Sonata won the 2006 Driver's Choice Award in Family Sedan. Keep up the good work Hyundai!!!
    Some people will be whining about this news. But I don't care.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    this car just keeps winning awards after awards.

    highest owner satisfaction as well
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    How can you say the all-new 2007 Sentra is "nasty"? Have you sat in it yet? Driven it? It looks to me like it will be a major improvement over the current Sentra. Like the Elantra, the new Sentra just crosses the bar into mid-sized territory, right? So the 2007 Elantra and Sentra will provide alternatives for buyers who need a roomy sedan on a small budget, but don't need the room and power of mid-sizers like the Altima, Camcord, Fulan, Sonata, etc.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The industry seems to think so; the magazine testers seem to think so; and the consumers seem to think so.

    To be precise.. '..some consumers...' most don't though.

    Actually only a very small portion of consumers choose the Sonata. Many, many more choose either the Civic or Corolla ahead of any Sonata. At the moment this is the buyer that Hyundai has to impress - the one who has $18,000 to spend.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    More precisely, the buyer who has $18,000 to spend and is looking for a mid-sized car and not a small, fuel-efficient car like the Civic or Corolla. With gas at $3.00 a gallon and Hyundai seemingly focusing on the V6 Sonatas, the Civic and Corolla are drawing swarms of buyers. I am wondering if Hyundai's marketing of the Sonata will change for '07 with the price cuts on the Sonata GLS (I4), in addition to the debut of the all-new Elantra (which competes head-to-head with Civic and Corolla).
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This makes sense.

    One of the key strengths of the Civic/Accord and Corolla/Camry pairings is that the lower priced vehicle 'insulates' the larger more expensive vehicle from pricing wars. Right now the Sonata is fighting all the battles and that's always tough.

    Where we normally have 40+ Corolla's on the lot.. today we sold out!!! They can't ship them to us fast enough. Zero days of sales.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    the old sentra wasn't that bad, the lines were smooth(Especially ser was decent). But the new one looks really really bad imo, lacks class look

    Now it maybe a good car in other departments, actually the interior looks better than ever. But i'm the type of car owner that cares about the exterior looks(even though we are not talking about a aston db9 or farrari)

    camcord fans isn't there any comments about the sonatas 2006 motorweek mid size car of the year?

    If the sonatas name is not as household, its sure getting to be that way winning numerous awards already with more to come
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The camcorder household name? Probably Sony, I'd say.
    camcorder ;)

    And a Sonata, while music to one's ears, may not register as a car, but that's OK. Time changes everything.

    I kinda like the Fusion/Milan. What doesn't cut it with you on that car line? The butt is a bit high, and the view out the back not so hot. Anything else spotted as not the best attribute for a car with those Fords?
    -Loren
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    ....PLEASE...before this forum gets closed AGAIN.

    The Chrylser Sebring is beginning to grow on me a bit.

    Here are a handful of videos on this new car. The interior is much much much better than I had expected.

    http://media.xfactorcom.com/medialink/20060622/default1.asp?Event_ID=199

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/22/videos-2007-chrysler-sebring-pacifica/#mo- re-3162

    The car really looks very retro lookin outside those studio pics. looks way way more elegant in the videos than in the pics.

    Here's to hoping we had yet another competitor to the CamcordAltiNata sector of the world.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Well it appears to be a taller version of the Crossfire front, with the rest looking a little bit towards the Altima, yet not quite correct. From the photos and the video, I would say someone tried to make a crossover styled car with Crossfire hood and Altima body works, with even taller doors. Unless it looks better in the showroom, I count this as strike two, after the Charger release.

    The previous model was a nice looking car. If it had some better handling characteristics to it, and a bit more refinement, that look would have done it. Dump the 2.7 and make the 3.5 V6 the standard.

    From the photos and movie, I would imagine the Altima, Fusion, Sonata, Accord, Camry, and the rest will all just overwhelm this poor cars release into the big - bad world. I have little hope for it. Like I said, unless it looks better up close and personal. The new Elantra will be more stylin'. Ya know, it moves to mid-size.
    No, the smart thing to do would have been to make a Dart, or Duster again. Now those were long running cars. You see the old slant sixers still running today. Make a mid-sized RWD car which would be a true Chrysler or Dodge and not a Mitsu. IMHO, the Duster and Demons still look good today. Cool tail lights and subtle styled lines. And the front and back worked well together. My goodness, some of these new cars, like the Ion look like they were three different styles of cars rolled into one. Others may disagree, and I may hear from them soon :P
    -Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Seems that windows on cars are getting smaller and smaller. In an effort to eliminate the need for side windows we have the perfect vehicle for that modern car look, and ultimate safety

    :D Loren
    P.S. thanks to a Fox news story for the pic
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    My Rankings:
    1. Camry
    2. Accord
    3. Altima
    4. Mazda 6
    5. Sonata
    6. Fusion
    7. Malibu
    8. Galant


    Guess what Elroy? I agree! I think #3-6 are virtually interchangeable, and in fact positions #1-6 are fairly close. Where I disagree with you is whether #1-4 are worth $5-6K more than #5. Not to me. I'm not drinking the Kool Aid.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    CamcordAltiNata...

    funny. I was going with cam-ccord-tima-nata-ssat-bu-lant6
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    According to the Nissan blurb on the new Altima with CVT you will feel up shifts and down shifts, the computer has over 700 diferent algorithms, this is also I think more advanced than what is in the currant Murano.
    I hope Nissan will keep the price on the V6 at a reasonable point otherwiese they will loose out to sonata/accord/camry/fusion.
    Then there is the AWD Fusion, I only wish that Ford would put the new V6 into the Fusion when it comes time for me to buy in about 14 months. Old Mike
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    Highs:

    - car just feels good: smooth, high quality and enjoyable to drive
    -engine is smooth and power is good. enjoyed manual mode of tranny
    -car is very roomy. I had my three daughters across the back and it swallowed them up.
    -trunk is huge
    -stereo was very good and the more I listened to it the more realized how crisp and clear it was
    - car just looks good. loved the interior faux carbon fiber that ran across the front of the dash and the upper part of one piece dash feels soft to touch and there are no rattles in this car at all. Our $35k Honda Pilot, which is an all plastic dash rattles and is annoying. It looks like Hyundai is increasing content while their competitors are de-contenting. I find it tough to pay extra now for the Honda when I see such high-levels of equipment offered and such a smooth and high-quality machine offered plus the idea that Hyundai will take the keys out of my car at 5 years unlimited mileage or bring me gas or give me hotel and food money if I get in an accident more than 50 miles from home. This is becoming a no-brainer now that we know Hyundai's reliability is better than their competitors. Many will continue to dispute this because it takes time to overcome those Excels and early Hyundais but after 3 days in this car, I am really experiencing a paradigm shift.
    -Impressive details: Even the trunk, glove box and all compartments that open were dampened to open slowly and with precision. The glove box was lined with thick, soft black felt. The inside of the front seat belt connectors had felt on the inside so no scratching of the inner part of the arm rest would not occur. Listen, when I drive other mid-sizers, there just isn't the attn. to detail.
    - this car has gobs of equipment and after pricing it vs. other cars we have rented (we rent every weekend), it is simply more car than anything out there. I mentioned to my wife that Hyundai has a winner in 4 or 6 cylinder cars. If you have never driven this car, I gotta tell you that after spending nearly 3 days in the car, I am extremely impressed. This car completely embarrasses what my wife called the 'plastic Altima' we drove last weekend. Compared to the Altima, altho the Altima was much sportier and had more punch, the Sonata appears like a luxury model in comparison and considering the Altima costs more...wow...the Sonata really embarasses it. The Sonata had trip computer, moonroof, trip computer, fog lights, electronic stability, all the air bags front and rear, etc., etc., and the Altima costs more. Someone has to be getting a knife in the back somewhere for Hyundai to sell this car at this price.
    -there are air bags everywhere in this car: front, side head curtains in front and back with active headrests
    -the electronic stability control came on once when i noticed the right side of the car hit a water and slippery sand spot on Camelback Mtn. in Pennsylvania. Impressive amount of safety equipment for $18k.
    -23.1 mpg in city driving. Not spectacular but again tons of car for the money and I am sure I would get 30+ on highway with restrained driving
    - The manumatic tranny is a nice touch and just extra.
    -I'll say it again: I have driven most mid-size cars incl. Camry, Accord, Altima and Mazda 6 and this car is IMPRESSIVE!
    Major Lows:
    -Very few lows but the lows need to be addressed by Hyundai now because they are noticeably important oversights:

    -Hyundai has to fix the seat cushion of the drivers seat YESTERDAY! It tips forward and at 6'1, I found myself wanting more length on that cushion and wanting to adust the height of the front of the cushion. I am surprised Hyundai removed the adjustment that they had on a 2005 rental Sonata I had. This may have alleviated the problem.

    Minor Lows:

    -Tranny is a 4 speeder. Most have 5 and 6 speed. I am not sure there is any advantage to a 5 0r 6 over a 4 but....
    -exterior door handles not as substantial feeling as the 2005.
    -interior door handles should be chrome
    -one headrest missing in rear seat. should be 3 across
    -grab handle on passenger side was broken. looked like the exact handle as one in the accord we rented a screw was dislodged. shouldn't be!
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    -Tranny is a 4 speeder. Most have 5 and 6 speed. I am not sure there is any advantage to a 5 0r 6 over a 4 but....

    Was your rental the 4 cyl? All the V6's have a 5 speed automatic. If you think the 4 is nice, you should drive the V6! ;)
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    It was a 4 Cylinder. Not as strong as the Altima 4 but very adequate.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is a great review and one of the most detailed and balanced ones I've seen here. Thanks for taking the time to post it.
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