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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    have a friend just bought an 06 SEL (Vulcan, I think) off the rental lots for $11k with 18k on the odo. Talk about cheapening a name and then wondering why many other things that have a blue oval on them have the same problem!
  • Good article... But the real mistake was in the first place, letting the old Taurus waste away into a "$19.95 rental car." The Fusion is doing well without the Taurus name, but I suppose you are right, and the negative connotations associated with the Taurus name will be overlooked by many Ford fans if it is put on the Five Hundred (not a good name to begin with, they should have done better on that one).
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    maybe the Ford marketing folks figured that they 'screwed the pooch' and otherwise damaged the 500 name (which does have some historical significance) simply because the car was not available with a competitive drivetrain. Were they able to keep that CVT along with the 260hp - and done it 3 years ago - don't think they would be renaming it today.
  • There doesn't seem to be a "full-sized" discussion:

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,693
    you've been posting some great pictures! you must have some juice to be snapping photos while bob lutz is one of the few people on the display with the car. thanks again. :)
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    There doesn't seem to be a "full-sized" discussion:

    Try this one...

    Large Sedan under $30,000

    Hopefully the base G8 won't cross the $30K line.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,693
    i've been seeing what seems to be some really good published in the local newspaper deals on toyota camry hybrids. actually the ads have prices for prius, camry, and highlander hybrids.
  • Those were not my pictures. I found them at Autoblog.com.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Few items will be scratched on the production version, according to GM, which will ship next year (2008).
  • You couldn't be more wrong. Nissan outsells Honda in almost every country except the USA. Nissan has a market capitization of $100.35 billion as of Feb 7, 2007. This compares to Honda's market capitilaztion of $70.5 billion thru the same day. Nissan is second only to Toyota in auto manufacturer's market capitalization worldwide. Toyota has over $350 billion! Keep in mind that Honda also sells small engines of all types and jet engines, yet still has 30% less market value than Nissan. Market capitalization is the single most important indicator of a company's accumulated wealth. General Motors, for instance has under $20 billion of market capitalization, even though it is far and away the largest US auto manufacturer. Needless to say, NO ONE will catch Toyota in my lifetime, at least. One other item to note is that Nissan has the most efficient manufacturing plants of any auto manufacturer, including Toyota. Nissan cars require less manhours to produce, thus helping their profit margins and quality thru automation. Carlos Ghosn has done amazing things with Nissan in the last 10 years.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,693
    thanks for being truthful. still like the pictures!
    is that a wierd shift pattern?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    This supports Nissan > Honda

    World market share:

    1 General Motors
    2 Toyota Motor Corp.
    3 Ford Motor Co.
    4 Volkswagen AG
    5 DaimlerChrysler AG
    6 Hyundai-Kia Group
    7 Nissan Motor Co.
    8 PSA/Peugeot-Citroen SA
    9 Honda Motor Co.
    10 Renault SA
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is true. Honda is only a 'premium' auto builder in NA. Everywhere else in the world it's an engine-making company.

    In Europe it's not in the top 10. It has done a wonderful job of providing what the NA public wants though so in this prestigeous market it appears that Honda is a leader in the world.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I come across folks all the time not knowing really where Honda ranks in the car world. They sure are surprised though when they hear Nissan dominates Honda outside the U.S. market.. Even in Japan, Nissan dominates Honda.. :surprise:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "The Fusion is not a car that is exclusive or rare, so please don't go there.

    Also, if the Fusion was selling more than the Accord/Camry, you would have been gloating the success. "

    Actually, no I would not gloat about sales of 500,000 Fusions.. I feel Ford is making the right move in the right direction by limiting its production of Fusions/Milan/MKZ. The Hermi plant last I read was only capable of producing 300,000 vehicles. Keep production numbers low, quality high. Its going to be painful for about 3 more years for Ford but in the end consumers will notice.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "The Taurus is being resurrected...or rather, rebadged. The current Ford Five Hundred will be rebadged as the Taurus for 2008. Also, the Mercury Montego becomes the Sable, and the Freestyle? Taurus X. I know these are full-sizers, but they are reviving the nameplates of cars that once competed with the Accord and Camry for number 1, and was successful for years. "

    Please link me to where you read this??? :confuse:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    As much as people bash the Taurus/Sable you better check again. These are actually very reliable vehicles. Yes, "unrefined" by some standards but very good, solid transportation. And, you can get one loaded for under $20,000.. :shades: Now for the normal comments of "who wants one? who would own one?.. yada, yada, yada.. :sick: But, look at the sales numbers and once again you would be surprised. Yes, a good lot do go to rental fleets, but there are sales to private parties also. And, where do you think they go after rentals? Private sales... ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "Ford's new products are improvements, but still seem quite weak. Only Mustang and F-150 are hits plus mild success of the Fusion. "

    Wrong again.. the Fusion outsold the Mustang in January by over 1,500 units.
    :surprise:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Actually, this was on the news on morning drive-time radio yesterday. It has been mentioned in a few other places, I just can't think of them. It's been all over TV and Radio (and Internet) for a few days, I figured who keeps up with news somewhat knew by now.

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    I read it first on The Hollywood Extra, a blog site devoted to new car news.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    It's all over the news that the 500 and Montego are now the Taurus and Sable as the next MY.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    A sales success in one market is not in others. Would you expect a sports car to sell at similar rates to a midsize sedan? Of course not. Sports cars are generally impractical, and do not appeal to as large a number of people as do midsize sedans.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "have a friend just bought an 06 SEL (Vulcan, I think) off the rental lots for $11k with 18k on the odo. Talk about cheapening a name and then wondering why many other things that have a blue oval on them have the same problem! "

    This makes no sense and once again spreads misinformation and rumors. People wonder why I defend Ford.

    1. There are no Vulcan 3.0 in Fusions.
    2. This is way, way below wholesale.
    3. Must have been a Taurus..

    Nice try.. ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "A sales success in one market is not in others. Would you expect a sports car to sell at similar rates to a midsize sedan? Of course not. Sports cars are generally impractical, and do not appeal to as large a number of people as do midsize sedans"

    :sick: Excuses...
  • exshomanexshoman Posts: 109
    is that a wierd shift pattern?

    No, it's pretty standard to have reverse right & up on a six speed tranny, especially GM. Audi does it left & up (next to 1st). Not sure if anybody has reverse down on a six speed.

    Great to see such a large, powerful car being shown with a stick. Hope it makes it to market with it. Not holding my breath though.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Or buy one as a used, one year old car for what, say $10,999 to $13,999. Tauras ended as a disastor, and the name should have been laid to rest. And that's no bull. :D
    -Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Ah, good ol' Camry, the new Oldsmobile of Toyota. A very comfortable car. For those that like to drive, I would say the Accord and Fusion are actually entertaining.
    -Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Galaxie 500 was a proud car of Ford. The Taurus, Audi look knock off, was a good selling car, and life saver no doubt. The second rendition of same however, as it became a bad knock-off of an Infinity J30 did not go so well.
    -Loren
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Please link me to where you read this???

    Here are two links, but yes, it's pretty widespread news:

    http://www.autoobserver.com/

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=119496
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Actually, if you will reread captain2's post and the one he answered you'll see it was indeed a Taurus.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    I don't even buy his premise of buying a 2006 Taurus with 18K miles for $11K off the rental lots. Show me where and when, and I'll stand in line to buy one for my daughter. When 2001 and 2002 Taurus' are going for $5,500 to $7,500 with over 75K miles, that's one heck of a deal - if it's real! As boring and as dated as the Taurus was, it would make someone a decent car, especially college-age kids.
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