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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    From what I've heard, the Optima will use the same 2.7 but with variable valve timing and a few other enhancements to give it 197hp. Not sure where I heard that, but it sounds believable.
  • Backy,

    You are probably right. There is a similar thread, Edmund's has so many threads, on economy cars in the range $16-20K and they don't want you to discuss cars in the range of $16-20K only those few that were listed in the title thread :confuse: .

    There was also a thread comparing three cars, and when some talk about only one car it is okay, but when others do it is moved :confuse:

    But you are right the new Kia Optima probably fits into Mid-sized sedans. :) It also looks like Kia is moving into the competion

    How close are you to buying a new car and what is your short list?

    Cheers,

    MidCow
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,596
    I know the title is Import, but it might be interesting to throw a domestic into the mix when the new Ford Fusion finally comes out. It is based on the Mazda 6 platform (although slightly expanded), and the initial reviews make it sound like a legitimate competitor to the old standbys (CamCord).

    Supposed to drive like a 6, but much roomier.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,596
    I have been looking lately. I started with compacts (the new Civic, and the Mazda 3). My wife decided it would make more sense to get something in the midsize class (even though it will cost me more money!)

    Anyhow, as of now, the Accord is the top contender. I refuse to own a Camry (way to isloated and spongy for my taste). The 6 is nice, but I don't find the seats very comfortable (I'm very particular about seats), although the deals are good.

    I mentioned the Fusion because I plan to look at it as soon as it finally shows up. I'm hoping it is as advertised (offering the drving dynamics of the 6, but with more room in the back seat, and more comfortable front seats). Pricing seems aggressive, assuming there are some discounts.

    If the Fusion tested out as nicely as the Accord (my test, that is), it would be hard to ignore a price differential of +/- 3K.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    I will be buying a new car within the next year. I can't give my short list here because most of it would be off-topic. And it's an evolving list. But of the mid-sized imports, the Sonata is currently my #1 choice, although I'll have to take a look at the refreshed Accord, the new Camry (if it's out by then), and maybe the Mazda6i (although if I go Mazda it will probably be another one--which happens to be off-topic). I'll have to drive the Optima too, but Kia won't give me a loyalty rebate like Hyundai will--and they don't include their cousin Hyundais as "competition" for the competitive rebates. Plus I have a coupon good for $250 off best price on my next Hyundai.
  • Backy,

    Thanks, I asked because you always have good input and analysis.

    YMMV,

    MidCow
  • In Europe, Magentis( Optima) buyers will have a choice of three engines: 2.0-liter four and 2.7-liter V6 gasoline units (rated at 146 and and 195 horsepowerand a 142-hp, 2.0-liter diesel. In the U.S., Optima buyers get to choose between the two petrol-burning engines, with the four connected to a four-speed automatic transmission and the six channeled through a six-speed automatic
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Hmmm. I wonder if that 2.0L gas engine is the all-new new Hyundai/DC motor that will replace the current 138 hp Beta engine? Interesting how the Optima gets a 6-speed auto and the Sonata only five!
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    Take a look at the new Hyundai Sonata. It's been getting good reviews.

    Maybe you'll prefer it or maybe you won't. You could save a lot compared to the Acord or you could get a more deluxe trim for the same type of money. Have you seen the comparision, I think it was C &D, of the '06 Sonata, '05 Accord & "05 Camry? In the $22K price range they rated the Sonata the best.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    I think it was C &D, of the '06 Sonata, '05 Accord & "05 Camry? In the $22K price range they rated the Sonata the best.

    I believe it was Edmunds who did the comparison. C&D hasn't came out with a comparison yet between the 3 (from what I know) My prediction is they will come out with a comparison in 2006/07 since there are so many new sedans coming out.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,596
    Yes, I did see some positive reviews. I believe that Edmunds also rated it 1st ina comparison.

    But, all the test I have seen have been of the V6. I drive a stick, so that leaves me at a 4 cyl / 5 speed.

    the Sonata also tends to be higher rated because they compare similar priced models, not equipment. So, the V6 Sonata was going against a 4 cyl in the other cars.

    Of note, the CamCord does get much better mileage. In the comparison, the Accord averaged 27, and the Hyundai 20. The performance isn't that much different either.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • I been following this thread as i just got a mazda6i 6 days go....the 1 point is the comparision between the sonata V6 and I4 accords + camry ....

    I read alot of people saying that the comparison should have been with equal configured car and was wondering the price difference between a equal equiped
    accord and sonata is 4k -5k and considering the same progression

    a acura tl ,lexus is300 ,bmw 3 series ,accord is 4k can we include them in a midsize comparision if they have compariable equipment?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    No, all of those vehicles but the Accord are in a different class and are being discussed at this link: Entry-Level Luxury Performance Sedans. I'm not sure why you keep wanting to mix up classes. Occasionally on a one-to-one basis that can fly (even though some will always object), but in a multi-vehicle comparo, it is completely unworkable.

    In fact, some of these differing-class vehicles ARE being compared one-to-one - take a look at the list on this board (Comparisons) - but we are not going to do it in a multi-vehicle match-up.

    I think if you use the Browse by Vehicle search on the left to look up the vehicles you find of interest, you'll be able to locate lots of discussions that will suit your interests. That way you won't have to keep trying to rearrange conversations that are already underway. If you can't find what you need and/or if you have any questions, email me. Thanks.
  • I guess it shows english is not my first language so might have lost in translation....

    But, my point was that accord v6 loaded with everything does not belong in this discussion and most people i know including me shop in a price range than
    option in different cars with different price

    No thread hijacking ....i was trying to make a point that price is an important and most case only citeria so the edmunds comparision actually makes sense to me

    when i was shopping for 20 k car the 22k accord was suggested a few times
    but for me it was not a item to compare,i used a 5 speed LX not the DX which had everything i need except the price
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Okay, gotcha, but the Accord is definitely part of this discussion, loaded or not.

    Just check the "What is this discussion about?" about line (or, more easily seen, the price quote and consumer review links) at the top of the discussion to find out on what vehicles the discussion is primarily focused.

    And again, if you have any questions or can't find what works for you, just drop me an email.

    Thanks.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    But, my point was that accord v6 loaded with everything does not belong in this discussion and most people i know including me shop in a price range than
    option in different cars with different price


    So, what your saying is, a loaded Accord does not belong in this discussion?
    I'm still quite confused as to what your saying.

    People who shop for the Accord EX V6 will most likely cross-shop it will the Nissan Altima 3.5SE, Camry SE/XLE V6, and Hyundai Sonata LX V6. And in some cases, the Acura TL or G35.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The Accord is most definitely part of this discussion and that fact is not up for debate. So let's keep going.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,596
    I think the point the poster was trying to make is that some of these cars (such as the Accord) cover a wide price spread. Big difference from a base DX to a loaded EX V6. So, you have to be careful to compare equivelant models, which due to different pricing structures, may be wildly different in content.

    So, a loaded V6 Sonata vs. an LX Accord 4 cyl, may be the same price. Or, do you compare it to an EX V6, which costs a lot more.

    Or, he could have had a completely different point, but I still like this one!

    Actually works on the bottom and top end. That loaded Accord creeps into TL territory (price and equipment), while a lower end car (or Korean brand) might compete with compacts like the CIvic on price.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Shoot, the Civic competes with the Accord on price! ;)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Makes sense, thanks. :)
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