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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread



  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "So, pumping ABS brakes in normal conditions is OK?"

    Under normal driving circumstances, I don't believe in pumping the brakes at all. Although I can't tell you if and when I've pumped the brakes on ABS equipped cars.

    As far as your second set of brakes, maybe the rotors were crappy rotors or non-OEM. Or maybe you didn't go easy on them the first couple of hundred miles. You never said who installed the rotors, dealer or independent. If it was an independed they probably used generic rotors. I really don't know just guessing, but there seems to be misinformation about ABS brakes, that is all I was trying to address.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If my OEM rotors ever needed changing, I think I would go for an upgrade (Brembo or another brand name company). There are no hills where I live, so the chances of my brakes overheating are much less. I have driven in steep hilly areas before, and I can see where it would be harder on the brakes.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    I've been told by numerous GM techs that the Malibu brakes were warped from overheating due to lack of ventaliaton, and that our driving style was part of the problem. Of course, its not our driving style per se, its everybody's driving style---because when you drive the 395 corridor in Washington every day, there's only one driving style--stop and go. Essentially, the problem is simply low quality brakes. Still shouldn't happen, and to most people, DOESN'T happy. 10k on my Camry brakes--no warping, no squeaking, etc. In fairness, my Intrigue did a little better, but it still did have to have rotors replaced at 20k, done under warranty by GM because they felt the rotors had warped excessively over spec. The one instance where they actually stepped up for me! They had been resurfaced prior to that also.

    There's no reason to pump ABS brakes, in an emergency stop, that's the wrong thing to do.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    I've driven in Atlanta as well. I live in Los Angeles and I have to say that Atlanta was the only place where I felt less safe on the roads than here. And that's saying something. L.A. traffic is slowly wearing my nerves away. I must dodge a potential accident every 3-4 days lately.

    And Atlanta is worse.

    Seeing people doing 80+ in the rain when the road is practically flooding during a brief spring downpour and the insanity in the city center... Yeah I can believe it.

    They just don't care about weather or conditions - they just go faster. It's an odd mix of city and country drivers with very little common sense inbetween.
  • 2zmax2zmax Posts: 140
    I'm with you on this one. I hate driving through Atlanta (I-75) Man do they have some crazy drivers or what? I was in a pile up in SE GA on I-95 when it started raining really hard and no one except for me even bother to slow down. God was looking out for me that day, as everyone around me got smashed but my new Maxima didn’t even get scratched.
    But LA is much worse, unless you have a big truck or an SUV with lots of power, don't try the interstate.
    I was there for 3 days and saw many accidents on the same road every day. In addition the bikers are flying between the cars on the freeway - tell me if that is not insanity?
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    " just thought that I would add that when we bought our 05 Ford Escape, I drove one with the same problem with the rear brakes the rotors were warped and there was no rust on them. I told the salesman to pull out another of the same color, that one was fine we still ...

    Know this is off topic, but I used to own an 01 Escape XLT V6 4WD and it was a great vehicle. 75,000 trouble free miles.. Just maintain it and it will be fine...
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    I strongly believe and have been told by some techs its advised to "pump" your brakes when coming to a stop. Now when I mean "pump" your brakes. I mean when you see up ahead you are going to have to stop you just tap your brakes little at a time until you come to the stop. Same way when going down a hill, you don't ride your brakes all the way down, you just tap the brakes to slow the car down little by little. I was told this give even wear along with not letting the rotors heat up. Constant, instant stopping can warp rotors. In all the vehicles I have owned over the years I have easily gone upwards of 50,000 miles or more before a brake/rotor replacement was needed.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "In all the vehicles I have owned over the years I have easily gone upwards of 50,000 miles or more before a brake/rotor replacement was needed."

    The same, but I don't tap my brakes, I use them as necessary. I don't try to preserve the life of them.
  • Yup - Atlanta is an all out free for all.

    And I grew up driving the mess around metro DC and its aggressive driving requirements.

    I gotta say that Broward County FL (Ft Lauderdale area) has gotta be up there too. Same high speeds but nicer cars!
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I think you will find that the most common cause of rotor warpage is 'riding the brakes' and otherwise, vehicles in heavily congested areas. Front pads will generally wear at about twice the rate of the rears - the rotors themselves should rarely require work unless you are careless. I can only wish as many brake problems as possible on those 2 footed drivers that accelerate away from me with the brake lights ablaze!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Scape, my grandmother's 1996 Accord (which became mine at 115,000 miles or so) didn't need front pads until 132,000 miles, and still has the orginal rear drums, now wih 168,000 miles on them. Yes, that's with more highway than city driving, but impressive nonetheless for a 2,900 lb car.
  • exshomanexshoman Posts: 109
    Yup, I do the same thing. Going home, I've got a long, fairly steep downhill stretch where I could just lightly step on the brakes the whole way down (like most folks I observe), but instead I brake a bit, then let up and let it roll, and then brake a bit, and let it roll, etc.

    Instead of really heating up my brakes, this gives them a chance to keep relatively cool.
  • And there may be a more subtle, but common, cause of rotor warpage: 'clamping the brakes' while stopped at a light. A trick to avoid the uneven rotor cooling that leads to warping is to stop a few feet earlier, then periodically release the brakes and let the car roll forward a foot or so, so that the rotors turn a bit. Then re-apply the brakes again. Do this every 10-15 seconds, while stopped in traffic, this way the rotors will cool more uniformly.
  • Why not just downshift a gear?

    Can the Fusion even do that? Come out of overdrive? I thought it just had D or L.
  • It can if you get the 5spd manual ;)
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    Heh. Gotta agree. With a manual, you just shift down a gear and presto. Maunals also use their brakes less as you can use the transmission as well and if you drop it out of gear with the clutch in first, you don't have the engine/torque converter pushing against you at a stop.

    My brakes last easily double the length with a manual transmission .
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Can't downshift in the V6 Fusion. I put my Accord in D3 on some long grades, but usually, when I press the brake for a couple of seconds on a downhill stretch where I am gaining speed, the car automatically drops to third gear automatically (unless going over, say, 55 MPH). It's really handy in some of the hilly section of Birmingham; no brake riding! I can just apply, the car will downshift, and usually, hold my speed in check. If it doesn't downshift, I can pull to D3.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    As someone who has been rear-ended at a redlight and pushed into an intersection, I'd leave the brakes applied when stopped, whether or not you have to to keep the car stopped. It may save you from bumping the car in front of you if you get rear ended, or worse, save you from being T-Boned because you were pushed into the middle of a busy road that has a green light.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    My point was that the automatic wears everything out a bit at the light because of this. The manual - you leave the brakes on as well, but without the clutch engaged, it's only held in place by the brakes.(and IF you do get hit, you'll not stall the engine, either, as long as you keep it in neutral)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Just checking :o)
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