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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Judging from the crash tests, Toyota and Honda seem to have safety right.

    I'd say VW and Subaru are the ones who really "have safety right" in the moderate priced midsize category.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    The Legacy and Passat are much newer designs than the Accord and Camry that have been tested by the IIHS. The '07 Camry will be a better indication of Toyota's "rightness" on crash safety, as is the '06 Civic for Honda (with its Good/Good/Good score).
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Maybe I mis-read the IIHS scores.

    Nop, you read it correctly. Funny that the Accord's three year old design can get all "good" scores in both front and rear seats.
  • tenpin288tenpin288 Posts: 804
    Funny that the Accord's three year old design can get all "good" scores in both front and rear seats

    True, but its structure/safety cage rating was only marginal, same as the Sonata's.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I could be totally wrong but, my theory is that a better safety cage rating means there is still some protection to spare. So that in a crash that was somewhat more severe than that used for the IIHS test, you will still come out okay.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Accord is actually now in its FOURTH model year. Also interesting to note that the outgoing Camry, which debuted for 2002 in August of 2001.... managed an Acceptable for Structure in the Side Impact....

    ~alpha
  • Saw a Verona the other day and loved it. The price was awesome too. Looks like the Japanese can play the price game against Hyundai and Kia too. Rather have a Japanese car vs Korean any day.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    The only problem with your statement is that the Suzuki Verona is built in Korea by Daewoo. And, I would much rather have a Hyundai than a Daewoo product any day of the week. Two of the three automobiles Suzuki markets in the country are built by Daewoo.

    Re. Daewoo . . .

    The Daewoo Magnus is a mid-sized sedan sold by GM Daewoo positioned to compete with the Hyundai Sonata. It is manufactured in South Korea for GM Daewoo Auto & Technology (GMDAT) by Daewoo Incheon Motor Company at its Bupyeong facility.

    The previous-generation model was the Daewoo Leganza (model V100); it was produced from the 1997 to 2002 model years. The Leganza provided the basis for the current Daewoo Magnus (V200), which has been in production since the 2000 model year and was known as Evanda in Europe. Following the establishment of Chevrolet Europe, all Daewoos were rebranded Chevrolet in 2005.

    The Evanda comes equipped with the Daewoo developed "XK6" inline-6 engine or a Holden-built 2.0L straight-four carried over from the Leganza. ItalDesign of Italy was resposible for the styling and design of both the Leganza and Magnus. However, the upcoming V250 was styled in Korea by GM Daewoo.

    The Evanda is also badge-engineered as the Suzuki Verona in North America and Chevrolet Epica in other markets.

    And, most importantly, I don't think you want the valve lifter problems inherent in most Verona's Inline 6 engine.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's continue here: pat, "Passat Sludge Issues" #1, 7 Mar 2006 2:11 pm. Several recent posts have been moved there. This is an issue that's come up before and it deserves its own topic on the Passat board.

    See you there!
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    gee...I got a new internet provider and changed my login id. What of it? I have owned 17 new cars and probably about the same number of used cars...and the Hyundai was the worst and most expensive to upkeep of any of them...my thoughts are ditto for my wife, my son. my neighbors...so be it! I do npot see many, if any, Hyundais in the senior citizen areas, but Honda and especially Toyota are selling at full price like the proverbial hotcakes. Just try to get any discount on either of them in South Florida!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    With the up-to-$1500 rebates on the '06 Camry, plus readily-available dealer discounts on the Camry and Accord (in other markets) I'd say those South Florida dealers are taking the senior citizens and others down there for a ride! Especially since it appears at least some Miami Toyota dealers are advertising those big rebates on Camrys on their web sites. :surprise:
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    seniorjose = oldjoe ?

    My Honda comrade?

    I think the senior citizens have a tough enough time buying foreign cars anyway. From what I've seen, if they finally take the plunge, its for a Toyota or Honda. Not the Hyundais.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    I think the senior citizens have a tough enough time buying foreign cars anyway. From what I've seen, if they finally take the plunge, its for a Toyota or Honda. Not the Hyundais.

    I wouldn't be so sure. I'm noticing a lot of Sonata owners are senior's, and the Sonata is their first "Mom car".
  • bwallabwalla Posts: 1
    did you ever get the weight of a 3.0 and 35
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    plus readily-available dealer discounts on the Camry and Accord

    Umm, like what? There are rebates and discounts on Accords where you live? Lucky you...My 2006 EX cost me $22,200 (off of $23,800), I haven't seen ANY finance deals or cash back from Honda lately, especially not since the accord was refreshed for 2006. I have seen lease deals for the CR-V though.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    According to VWVortex, VW Group earnings increased significantly by 58 percent in 2005.

    Your thoughts?
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    The advertised Miami prices are tons of miles away from where I lived in the Boca Raton area...nobody wants to drive that far just for service. Buy local and give your local dealer the business. somehow those Miami prices are for only a certain serial number...etc.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I would think much less in North America - VW had a terrible 2005 over here, especially in the US market.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    There are rebates and discounts on Accords where you live?

    Discounts, yes--where I live, and where many others live. Check out the Accord Prices Paid discussion if you don't believe me.

    I never said there were rebates on Accords. Please re-read my post.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Please do not post links to dealerships ... messages with contact information to dealers have to be removed.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Oops, sorry about that.

    I didn't save the original post of course, but the gist of it was that there is at least one dealer in the Boca Raton area, Al Hendrickson Toyota, that offers $1000-1500 rebates on '06 Camrys on its web site (which I can't post here, but a quick search on the Web will find it). Since the rebates are a nationwide Toyota promotion, I think they would apply beyond a few units. So I am surprised that seniors can't find prices below MSRP in the Boca Raton on Camrys at least. Now, if they don't want to or try to get a price below MSRP, that's their business. But the lower prices are out there.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I didn't say I didn't believe you; chill out a little. I was impressed, b/c no special offers are going on in central Alabama.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I would think much less in North America - VW had a terrible 2005 over here, especially in the US market.

    Not sure how much of that had to do with the slow pace of rolling out their new Jetta and Passat. Recent sales numbers are up though:

    Volkswagen of America, Inc. reported February 2006 sales of 16,329, an increase of 21.3 percent as compared to the same period in 2005 when sales were 13,457, making it the best February result for the brand since 2003.

    http://media.vw.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9854
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    > I would think much less in North America - VW had a terrible 2005 over here, especially in the US market.

    The article mentioned VW Group - which includes the following:

    VW
    Audi
    Seat
    Skoda
    Bentley
    Lamborghini

    And the revenue figures constitute their worldwide total - not just the U.S.
  • I think the 06 Camry is being discounted everywhere. You'd think they'd be sold out of em buy now considering they stopped producing them a while back.

    And what's that gonna do to the resale value of the millions of other late model Camry's out there?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Well, the Fusion won something.

    The Most Washable Car award.

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/03/09/000121.html
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I realized it was VW group and worldwiede, but I was simply stating how it performed here in the states. I should mention, however, VW has gotten off to a great start during the first two months of 2006.
  • dd123dd123 Posts: 52
    Hi

    I need your help to decide which car should I go for.
    I am looking at Acccord LX SE 06 or Camry CE or LE.
    i am not much into v6.

    I think both offer excelletn value for the money with almost all the features.
    I can get Accord 06 SE/LX for nealry 19500 + TTL.
    Not sure about Camry though as it just came out.

    Please help me with your comments to decide one of the two

    Thanks

    DD
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Good luck finding a "V-4"! Virtually all 4 cylinder engines are in line 4 cylinders, unless you go with a Subaru which has an opposed cylinder 4, which is also not a "V".
  • dd123dd123 Posts: 52
    Sorry for the misleading title
    I meant the regular inline v4 available in accord /camry
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