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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Judging from the crash tests, Toyota and Honda seem to have safety right.

    I'd say VW and Subaru are the ones who really "have safety right" in the moderate priced midsize category.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    The Legacy and Passat are much newer designs than the Accord and Camry that have been tested by the IIHS. The '07 Camry will be a better indication of Toyota's "rightness" on crash safety, as is the '06 Civic for Honda (with its Good/Good/Good score).
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Maybe I mis-read the IIHS scores.

    Nop, you read it correctly. Funny that the Accord's three year old design can get all "good" scores in both front and rear seats.
  • tenpin288tenpin288 Posts: 804
    Funny that the Accord's three year old design can get all "good" scores in both front and rear seats

    True, but its structure/safety cage rating was only marginal, same as the Sonata's.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I could be totally wrong but, my theory is that a better safety cage rating means there is still some protection to spare. So that in a crash that was somewhat more severe than that used for the IIHS test, you will still come out okay.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Accord is actually now in its FOURTH model year. Also interesting to note that the outgoing Camry, which debuted for 2002 in August of 2001.... managed an Acceptable for Structure in the Side Impact....

    ~alpha
  • Saw a Verona the other day and loved it. The price was awesome too. Looks like the Japanese can play the price game against Hyundai and Kia too. Rather have a Japanese car vs Korean any day.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    The only problem with your statement is that the Suzuki Verona is built in Korea by Daewoo. And, I would much rather have a Hyundai than a Daewoo product any day of the week. Two of the three automobiles Suzuki markets in the country are built by Daewoo.

    Re. Daewoo . . .

    The Daewoo Magnus is a mid-sized sedan sold by GM Daewoo positioned to compete with the Hyundai Sonata. It is manufactured in South Korea for GM Daewoo Auto & Technology (GMDAT) by Daewoo Incheon Motor Company at its Bupyeong facility.

    The previous-generation model was the Daewoo Leganza (model V100); it was produced from the 1997 to 2002 model years. The Leganza provided the basis for the current Daewoo Magnus (V200), which has been in production since the 2000 model year and was known as Evanda in Europe. Following the establishment of Chevrolet Europe, all Daewoos were rebranded Chevrolet in 2005.

    The Evanda comes equipped with the Daewoo developed "XK6" inline-6 engine or a Holden-built 2.0L straight-four carried over from the Leganza. ItalDesign of Italy was resposible for the styling and design of both the Leganza and Magnus. However, the upcoming V250 was styled in Korea by GM Daewoo.

    The Evanda is also badge-engineered as the Suzuki Verona in North America and Chevrolet Epica in other markets.

    And, most importantly, I don't think you want the valve lifter problems inherent in most Verona's Inline 6 engine.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's continue here: pat, "Passat Sludge Issues" #1, 7 Mar 2006 2:11 pm. Several recent posts have been moved there. This is an issue that's come up before and it deserves its own topic on the Passat board.

    See you there!
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    gee...I got a new internet provider and changed my login id. What of it? I have owned 17 new cars and probably about the same number of used cars...and the Hyundai was the worst and most expensive to upkeep of any of them...my thoughts are ditto for my wife, my son. my neighbors...so be it! I do npot see many, if any, Hyundais in the senior citizen areas, but Honda and especially Toyota are selling at full price like the proverbial hotcakes. Just try to get any discount on either of them in South Florida!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    With the up-to-$1500 rebates on the '06 Camry, plus readily-available dealer discounts on the Camry and Accord (in other markets) I'd say those South Florida dealers are taking the senior citizens and others down there for a ride! Especially since it appears at least some Miami Toyota dealers are advertising those big rebates on Camrys on their web sites. :surprise:
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    seniorjose = oldjoe ?

    My Honda comrade?

    I think the senior citizens have a tough enough time buying foreign cars anyway. From what I've seen, if they finally take the plunge, its for a Toyota or Honda. Not the Hyundais.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    I think the senior citizens have a tough enough time buying foreign cars anyway. From what I've seen, if they finally take the plunge, its for a Toyota or Honda. Not the Hyundais.

    I wouldn't be so sure. I'm noticing a lot of Sonata owners are senior's, and the Sonata is their first "Mom car".
  • bwallabwalla Posts: 1
    did you ever get the weight of a 3.0 and 35
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    plus readily-available dealer discounts on the Camry and Accord

    Umm, like what? There are rebates and discounts on Accords where you live? Lucky you...My 2006 EX cost me $22,200 (off of $23,800), I haven't seen ANY finance deals or cash back from Honda lately, especially not since the accord was refreshed for 2006. I have seen lease deals for the CR-V though.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    According to VWVortex, VW Group earnings increased significantly by 58 percent in 2005.

    Your thoughts?
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    The advertised Miami prices are tons of miles away from where I lived in the Boca Raton area...nobody wants to drive that far just for service. Buy local and give your local dealer the business. somehow those Miami prices are for only a certain serial number...etc.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I would think much less in North America - VW had a terrible 2005 over here, especially in the US market.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    There are rebates and discounts on Accords where you live?

    Discounts, yes--where I live, and where many others live. Check out the Accord Prices Paid discussion if you don't believe me.

    I never said there were rebates on Accords. Please re-read my post.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Please do not post links to dealerships ... messages with contact information to dealers have to be removed.
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