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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree with your basic agenda here; I personally hope Sonata proves itself to be very reliable, and holds its price down. This will certainly help make my buying experience better next time around, because of increased competition. The only problem will hopefully be diciding between the great choices!
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    If the price difference is $1,000 or so, you'll probably follow brand loyalty based upon your good experience. Nothing wrong with that! If, however, the price difference is $3 or 4 thousand, you might try the Sonata.

    Competition is good for the consumer. Supposedly Hyundai's reliability has improved in the last 5 or 6 years. If they keep it up and and keep the price relatively low, that will help keep the price down on the Honda & Toyota as more people become willing to consider the Sonata.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    Right on.

    I have a '07 Camry XLE (leather, heated seats, TC/VSC, floor mats) I bought because I wanted the XLE features, a 4 cyl. and I will keep it for 5-6 years.

    I bought my sister a '06 Sonata LX with sunroof & 6 CD radio because she was concerned about intial $$$$ and wanted the better warranty as she will keep the car for 10 years.

    The Sonata LX V6 was $4,300 less (with a $2,000 rebate) than my Camry XLE I4 cost (with a great deal).

    I wouldn't have considered a previous model Camry or Sonata for either of us.

    Both vehicles perform well.

    Different strokes for different folks.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Different strokes for different folks.
    Ahhh, ahh, ahhhh, Everyday people!

    I sense your Toyota bias in your reciting their old commercials!

    LOL, j/k...great song though.
  • lxcanlxcan Posts: 14
    I find most of these posts entertaining. The savvy consumer today will make choices based on Reputation and Reliability, Reviews and Ratings, Safety, Resale or Residual Values, Price, Comfort, Style and Performance (in no particular order) among other things. Therefore, before bashing one car or another, the smart shopper would consider the following:
    - Is the reputation of BrandX good, bad, improving, getting worse?
    - How is the reliability of the BrandX's car? Is it above or below the industry standard?
    - What are the auto journalists and consumers saying about the car?
    - Does the car have the safety and convenience features the shopper wants/needs etc.

    For all the posters that write about the "ugly dash" of the Sonata; one question - how much time do you spend staring at your radio and HVAC system? In fact how many hours do you spend in your car daily, weekly, monthly? Good drivers spend most of their time behind the wheel looking at the ROAD.

    The truth is, for most of us a car is a necessity. And yes, the choices are numerous. Is the Sonata the best car money can buy? Of course not. There are at least 25 models that cost less and 25 that cost more. We all have different needs and varying budgets. I could have gotten a more expensive car, but for what? Remember folks, a daily driver is not an investment.

    As far as value for your money is concerned, it wouldn't kill you nay-sayers to at least give Hyundai a serious look. I'm glad I did.

    Disclaimer: I do not work for or have not in the past been employed by Hyundai Motor Corporarion or any business acting on their behalf.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    For all the posters that write about the "ugly dash" of the Sonata; one question - how much time do you spend staring at your radio and HVAC system? In fact how many hours do you spend in your car daily, weekly, monthly?

    A lot more time than I do looking at the OUTSIDE of the car, which wasn't a huge selling point for me on any car. From the design standpoint, I'd make a quick judgement of car like/dislike based on the inside rather than outside. Of course, no car judgement (whether you like it or not) can be aptly made in a flash.
  • choe13choe13 Posts: 348
    they have lost alot of drivers to the sonata, and even with the new camry, this trend shouldn't stop.

    If there is such an award in the auto industry this car is the rookie and the most improved car of the year

    I don't even think hondayota fans can deny that
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I wouldn't dispute it, mainly because it jumped a threshold of car design (not a bad thing). Hyundai did with its Sonata what Nissan did with its Altima back in 2002. Remember, everyone thought the Camcord was toast then that came out, and it DID fare nicely in the market, but it didn't dominate like many thought it would (based on room and horsepower). Hyundai's jump into the mainstream large-midsize market has made a big splash, no doubt. It certainly jumped ahead of cars such as the Sebring/Stratus, which were pretty equal in stats to the old Sonata. It's in the big leagues now, and even if it doesn't win the world series (be the number one seller), going to play-offs (being comparable to CamCord on many levels)is something to be proud of.

    Sorry about that post, I'm awfully metaphorically-inclined today.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,727
    People would ignore that a Camry doesn't have a styling edge and a long history of bullet proof reliability.

    Well, I would really like to ignore the fact that the Camry doesn't have a styling edge, but it kind of hits you in the face, or its face, if you know what I mean. :)
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Well, I would really like to ignore the fact that the Camry doesn't have a styling edge, but it kind of hits you in the face, or its face, if you know what I mean.

    I love the rear styling, but if you stare at the front, a weird smiling face jumps out at you. :D
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I love the inside of the Camry, just can't get over the bumpy nose. At least the back is nice, which, with 268 hp, will be the view I see most in my 166 hp I-4 Accord!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Styling is entirely subjective. While you might not like the way a vehicle presents, there is no need to denigrate it. Saying it's not appealing to you is sufficient.

    Others are just as entitled to their opinions as you are, differing though they may be.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Styling is subjective, but come on Mr Moderator Man, there is common ground, even on styling. Most folk, as well as automotive press, find the Nissan Altima and Mazda 6 to be very nicely styled. The Accord and Camry are known to be kind of bland. Just like the Merc CLS, all style, no praticality.

    Anywho, I love design and style. I check out the design first both inside and out. Then driving has a lot to do with it, so I drive the car. I research cars for fun so I already know what the pricing is and what features are there. If all the planets line up, its a deal. I just can't drive something that doesn't look right. That is a big factor. Like the Subaru Tribecca. It just doesn't do it for me.

    The Sonata is the best value in the midsize market but that doesn't mean it is the best car.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    The Sonata is the best value in the midsize market but that doesn't mean it is the best car.

    Exactly.
    It's an excellent vehicle, and is definetly the best value. But value came at a price. I felt it lacked the premium feel/look some of its competitors have- inside.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    My point is that if any given vehicle is the most beautiful vehicle in the world to someone, that someone is entitled to that opinion, regardless of how many other posters think it is a design they'd never consider.

    Opinions are not wrong, nor are they right. They just are what they are - it's sorta like the weather - it just is what it is regardless of what anyone wants it to be.

    All I'm saying is that it is possible to state that the styling of car xyz does not suit me without denigrating the car and without insulting someone who might hold a different opinion than you do. And that's what we need to do here.

    Everyone's needs, priorities and wishes/opinions are unique. If they weren't, we'd only need one style of car in the world. ;)
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    I agree. I think you hit the nail on the head, it just doesn't have that premium look or feel to it. I think it is a jack of all trades but a master of none. I think that is good in the market because that will enable the car to go up against the percentage of the Camcord following that focus on value. The niche players like myself won't lose sleep over it because it can't really compete with a Mazda6, or Legacy, or Passat because those are all niche players. It's like the old Jetta following. You could tell them that there are cars out there that are a better value, and better at this or that. They might agree but to pry that Jetta out of their driveway, even after the tenth breakdown, was basically impossible.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    Pat, with that I must agree. There are so manyu different offerings and so many different people. There is no one best car. There may be on best car all around. I'd say that is the Honda Accord in a heartneat. Performance, price, quality, reliability. That car is ying and yang, that's equilibrium right there in the flesh, I mean metal,... well good quality plastic. You get the picture.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,727
    Performance - Camry, Altima.
    Price - Sonata; Fusion and Mazda6 also good buys pricewise with current incentives.
    Quality - Accord, Camry; Sonata, Fusion, Mazda6, Altima not far behind.
    Reliability - Accord and Camry.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Camry sales leader but ...
    they have lost alot of drivers to the sonata, and even with the new camry, this trend shouldn't stop.


    I have no problem with advocating the merits of the sonata but silly statements without proof other than you own opinion make you look foolish. The vehicle is fine. But what precise proof do you have for your opinion?

    Remember a significant part of sonata's 'rookie' sales are going to fleets, it's probably double the percentage of the old Camry model. That's not something to be real proud about.

    The fact that they have to 'buy' the new customers with huge discounts wouldnt make me proud either. It's embarrassing really.

    "We have a world class vehicle but no one will buy it. Please come in and we will give you what ever you want. Just please come in to see us. Please."

    You seem very proud of your country's accomplishment. I wouldn't be so proud about how it's being marketed though. But that's my own opinion. ;)
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    You're right on, but I think Sonata's reliabliity is in the same ballpark as A&C. Time will tell. But you left out styling, a very important category. Many people buy cars primarily for their styling. But I guess that's off limits to discuss now. That's too bad, because many people are influenced more by the opinion of others than their own. I'm lukewarm on my own new car's styling, but many others like it. Since I have no taste, who am I to argue? :D
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,727
    I used those four criteria because I was replying to a post from driverdm. Styling is subjective, but important to many buyers. Me, I could live with almost all the current mid-sized cars as far as styling goes, although the Fusion's grille turns me off as does the styling of the Malibu.

    As for reliability, the Sonata's reliability is not an issue for me, but cars like the Accord and Camry have a much longer record of strong reliability than the Sonata and most other mid-sizers, so I give them the edge there.
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    "It amazes me, the Sonata haters on this board," says scape2.

    the funny thing is that most of us who are not sonata fanatics have stated that the sonata is a good car and deserves much of the kudos it has gotten. but like in a white house press conference, if there is a slight disagreement with the point you're trying to make, you turn that into us hating the sonata. i mean it's like we're criticizing your kids...it's a car. and it's not like any one car is everyone's ideal version of transportation. nothing is perfect, and if all you do is defend every characteristic of your car...that doesn't seem to be honest nor healthy. maybe we can all start a more civil discussion by saying one thing we don't like about our current car :surprise: I know, I know, it'll be hard. but let me start. the fabric on my 05 mazda 6 is wearing a bit fast and is starting to look like cat fur on the side bolster next to the door. if you sonata fanatics can say something that you don't like about your car, you'll instantly have more credibility.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,727
    Go take a run through the Sonata 2006+ discussion, or the Problems & Solutions discussion, and you'll see lots of posts about what Sonata owners don't like about their cars. My favorite (un-favorite?) is one of the worst manual driver's seat height adjusters in its class.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The sales stats posted early: some people specifically pointed out where the Sonata is (for reasons I don't even want to recycle now). Just so you guys are in the know, Hyundai has sold 40K+ (at least) Sonatas through March - easily place the model top 15 overall; top 10 in cars; top 5 in midsize.
  • Hyundai/Kia will soon be seen as more of a viable competitor to the Honda and Toyota crowd, soon being at least 3-5 years. In today's market the people buying new cars are the ones that can afford it, primarily older folks. That's why you see younger folks in their teens and 20s buying used Japanese or getting hand-me-downs from Mom and Dad. I am 27 and I can honestly say that the mainstream of my era would rather have a foreign car- period! Reliablity is part of the reason and styling is another, for people like me- it's also price. I like the Japanese and the Korean made cars. I have seen Japanese makers getting lazy or complacent, but IMO the Koreans are hungry to eat a chunk out of the Japanese share of the market. I like my '04 Kia Optima and my '06 Toyota Sienna. I'd by an Accord or Camry as long as they were sold at around the same price of the Optima or Sonata. Come on people- not everyone makes over 30 grand a year and not everyone has good credit, so get off of your high-horse and mingle with real people.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "Performance - Camry, Altima."

    By "performance", do you mean just acceleration?

    Performance to me is a combination of handling and power, and I'd take the Accord over the Camry any day of the week, even though the Camry has more power.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I will admit my 03EXV6 Accord is not the sexiest car in the world (not a Porsche). If you're buying an Accord for the looks, you're missing the point of the car. "Beauty" is only sheet metal deep, "Quality" is down to the chassis. Form follows function. The way the car drives, makes it beautiful, to me. I think the only mid-size car that looks good, is the Mazda6. But the 6 is a little small for me. I made the mistake of buying a 97 truck because it looked great. That's about the only thing it was good at. I hated the actual driving part. Won't make that mistake again.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Does anyone know why Hyundai hasn't offered a navigation system in the Sonata (or any other Hyundai for that matter) in the U.S. yet?

    Hyundai has offered Navi in Korea for about 8 years now, I think.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Is braking included in performance? I've never read that the Camrys have started smoking and faded into oblivion after a couple of repeated hard stops as did the Accord's in the recent edmunds.com comparo.... and do your comments apply to the SE versions of the Camry...

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Yeah, I'd say braking is part of performance. The Accord is not known for great stopping power, but one Edmunds comparo does not prove that the Accord's brakes are pure crap.

    And yes, they do apply to the SE versions of the Camry, because since that is the most sporty Camry, I'd pit that against the most sporty Accord, the V6 6 speed. And the Accord V6 6-speed is about twice as fun to drive than the Camry SE.
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