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Acura TL 2006+



  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    SH = Super Handling. That's what Acura calls the AWD system on the '05 RL. And according to industry rumours, that system is supposed to be made available for the '06 TL.
  • armandarmand Posts: 178
    I would love to trade my '04 TL for an '06 one with AWD but I would expect that it would cost me maybe around $7K or $8K to do so. Too much. I sure would do it for $3 to $4K!
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    After reading many posts in different forums concerning the Acura TL for '04-'05, I'm starting to get a bit worried about the quality of these cars. I drive an '03 3.2TL, and really haven't had much trouble with it. It seems like the more I read, the more I'm reading negative reports on the new TL. Between rattles, squeaks, lousy tires, bad fit and finish, and the list goes on and on. I was all set to buy the '06 TL when it becomes available, but now I'm not so sure. I really think that Honda should clean up it's act and try and get back to the quality they are known for. This seems to be an issue that is becoming more and more of a problem. I could see if it was a once in awhile post about something wrong with the car, but it seems that these negative posts are all over the place. Of course there are problems with all cars, but for $35,000 you would think that most of the problems would be worked out before the cars are made. I'm really up in the air about the '06 model. I hope that Honda has been listening to the negative talk about these cars, and does whatever it takes to get the quality back to where it was. I've started test driving some other cars, and have had some really good feedback from these drives. Like I said earlier, this has become a very bad situation for the TL, and I hope they can fix things before the new models are released.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    My guess is that the price premium would not be that big, in view of what Infiniti charges for the AWD version of the G35.
  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    Yes. I would trade my '04 for one with SH-AWD. I know the trade-in value is strong, so it would depend on the SH-AWD price premium. It would much improve the handling characteristics. Even with VSA, there is too much torque steer with hard acceleration on the current model.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    another options is that there are websites for people looking to get out of leases early for various reasons. You get to see what payments they are making, what mileage they have, how much time iseft, etc. Don't know if you can find 1 for 3 mos, but it might be worth a shot.

    My favorite of these sites is called "leasetrader" - I think it's related to "AutoTrader" - the free magazine where people list cars for sale.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    "Making the TL AWD would essentially make the RL obsolete"

    This statement is a little drastic. The RL also has more hp, more lux features (including tying real-time traffic reports in with the nav system) and has a softer ride. I bought my TL used from a guy who said the ride was too harsh - he wanted the softer RL ride. Now if they also gave the TL a "touring" option that softened the suspension...
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I wouldn't trade mine in for AWD b/c I live in FL - no snow to deal with. The only benefit I see in AWD is a reduction of torque steer. I can tell that as the years go by, torque steeer on my TL is going to be annoying. Thus, wouldn't trade in for it, but at the end of my lease, it might be reason for me to stick with the TL line.
  • Let's just hope that the '06 introduces sh-awd to the TL...its much needed for true sport handling. Torque Steer just won't cut it with serious drivers.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I have a 2004 TL 6-speed and I would NOT trade it in for a 2006/7 with SH-AWD. If the 2006/7 TL came with RWD, I might consider it.

    The TL does exhibit the usual handling limitations of FWD cars - torque steer and heavy front weight bias. It's a very respectable FWD sport sedan, but it's no sports car.

    However, I for one have driven the new RL extensively and I came away relatively unimpressed. I am no Mario Andretti, but the Acura RL is no BMW 5-series sport sedan when it comes to handling. The extra weight of the RL (outweighs the 545i 6-speed by approximately 200 lbs) completely offsets the nominal increase in horsepower the RL has over the TL. And the front weight bias remains.

    I know that some would consider me old fashioned for favoring RWD over SH-AWD. However, I would respectfully suggest they consider the concept that more technologically complex isn't necessarily better. The weight advantage of RWD and ability to achieve a near 50/50 balance with RWD is a significant advantage in the 5 series handling over the TL, IMO. And for anyone thinking that SH-AWD handling is better in the snow, it's still go "performance" rubber. The RL is no MDX, either.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,161
    I guess obsolete would be a bit dramatic, your right. What I meant was Acura needs to offer something more that the TL doesn't, which up until now was the SH-AWD. Now other than ride and interior volume (which isn't much more than the TL) the RL ($50k) has the RT traffic for what I predict will be 10k more than AWD TL ($38k). That wouldn't be enough to justify the RL.
  • sergeymsergeym Posts: 262
    They should put 3.5 litre 300 hp V6 into TL and a V8 engine (buy the current 4.3 from Toyota if they cannot build one) into RL. Otherwise Infiniti will eat Acura alive.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ..Otherwise Infiniti will eat Acura alive.

    I'll take issue with that comment. The last thing Acura needs to worry about is losing sales to Infiniti. Why, because they are just too damn ugly and their ergonomics suck. And this comes from someone who loves (and kept) his 11 year old 1995 Maxima SE after buying a 2004 TL.

    I had an hour to kill yesterday and, since the Porsche dealership was closed, stopped by the Infiniti showroom to see the newly facelifted G35 (or new M45). On paper, the G35 sounds great. Available with 6-speed, 298 horsepower, RWD, good handling, etc. But in person, it has more rough edges than a broken beer bottle. Wide chrome strips around the windows, tacky interior with Toy's-R-Us buttons on the steering wheel and console, power seat buttons located on the console side of the drivers seat, etc.

    If I were blind, the G35's faults would all go away. But blind people don't drive and it would be good for Infiniti to take that into account when designing its cars and thier interiors. It looks like they hired too many disgruntled GM employees.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,161
    Honda can definitely build a V8, it's just that they choose not to. And while I think that Toyos 4.7l V8 is an excellent motor, I don't see Honda buying them from Toyota, they're major cross-town rival. I do agree that a Honda V8 would quell alot of the negativity people have towards the RL compared to the competition.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Eventually Honda will bow to public pressure and introduce a V8. It took them awhile to put a V6 in the Accord, years after Camry, Maxima had V6's. For some reason, Honda seems slow to change directions. :confuse: Call it philosophical, or ideological inertia, if you will.
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    I totally agree with you about the Nissan's styling:
    I have been trying to warm up to the G for about a year now and I can't get pass the styling.
    The Q is a remarkable IMHO- but for some reason it does no sell- go figure.
  • stickymanstickyman Posts: 53
    I have the same concerns that you have. I believed that the 05 is much improved but the attitude of Honda/Acura Customer Service sure leaves alot to be desired from me. An 06 with SH-AWD, if available (no one knows for sure), will cost more and the question is what can you get for the dollars with other auto makers??
    I'm leaning towards the new Avalon right now :confuse:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The Q does not sell because it has absolutely forgettable styling. To this day I cannot conjure up in my mind what the car looks like.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    The Avalon?? If you are under 70 years old, it is the perfect cure for insomnia. Even the Washington Post's Warren Brown - not exactly a Mario Andretti - referred to the Avalon as the ultimate Japanese Buick in his review a couple of weeks ago.

    I have owned two Toyota Supras in the past, and used to believ that Toyota was at or near the king of the hill when it comes to Japanese quality. But Toyota no longer makes even a "sporty sedan", let alone a true sports sedan or sports car. It has become the quitensential GM of Japan. Hell, the FWD TL 6-speed is more fun to drive and feels tighter than the new Lexus GS.

    And, worse, Toyota / Lexus quality has slipped, IMO, to well below Honda/Acura. I know they still rate highly on JD Powers and Consumer Reports. But check out Edmunds boards on the GX470 which we considered before going with an Acura MDX. We have friends who had theirs bought back from Lexus under a lemon law threat after it had an incurable drivetrain vibration that has been around since the vehicle was introduced in 2003.

    I am not sure what attitude of Acura customer service you were referring to. I have been reasonably satisfied. When I had a minor problem with my 2002 Honda S2000, I got follow-up phone calls from Honda North America executive to make sure it had been taken care of.

    Regardless of a preference for Toyota or Acura customer service, it would be a cold day in you know where before I'd be driven away from Acura and end up with a frumpy Avalon in my driveway. Hell, you could drop a 400 hp V8 in that car and it would still have all the appeal of a Buick Regal to me.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,161
    But like habitat mentioned, there really is no character to Toyota.

    "But Toyota no longer makes even a "sporty sedan", let alone a true sports sedan or sports car. It has become the quitensential GM of Japan. Hell, the FWD TL 6-speed is more fun to drive and feels tighter than the new Lexus GS."

    Wow, That's really saying something. The TL is more enjoyable than the GS? That's a big compliment to Acura, that's for sure. And all the while, I was getting ready to compare the TL to the new IS! :shades:
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