Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





2009 Hyundai Tiburon

1234568

Comments

  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    rv,

    Do you (or anyone else on the forum), think that this coupe, whether it's called Tibby, Genesis Coupe, whatever, will have a need for a V8? With the 3.8 DI V6 pulling 300hp estimated, what will the V8 need to justify its use?

    I could see, maybe, if the V6 produced in the 280 range max, then the V8 in the 300 ~ 315 range, matching the Mustang GT output figures. Plus it'll have a nice 30 ~ 40 hp bump, enough of a gap. But if the V6 will have that 300hp figure, why have the V8? I would like to see torque numbers on this engine, hopefully its got some pulling power down low, and hopefully the peak hp isn't in the stratosphere. also wondering of the manual tranny; with the problems that seem to plague the current gen I'm a little leery of getting one.

    I like this coupe, as well as the current Tibby, and will be in the market to replace the current vehicle (hopefully it'll hold out till then) in a couple years' time. With fuel prices the way they are, the more than likely gouging on the upcoming Challenger, not being able to step into a Shelby GT this may be my alternative ;)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    400hp is what came std. in the GTO, so I would hope the V8 version of this would be in that ballpark and with an MT could be the next pony-car killer.

    -mike
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    Hopefully it won't die in the market due to over-zealous dealers marking it up (among other things) like the Monaro/GTO, which first came with 350hp.

    Not sure if it'll hit the 350/400 range, would they go over the hp rating of the sedan for this coupe? If the 4-door is the lux flagship then I would think it would have the highest output.

    I like it. If they hold the line on the price, have decent options I'll be buying one in the second model year.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Dealer markups on the GTO?

    Wonder where that was, cause here they sold em for a bit over invoice to start and worked their way down even when it came with 400hp. Heck, last year I almost bought a brand new one for $24k from several dealers here in the NY/NJ area.

    -mike
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Mods, please change the title of the thread to RWD Genesis Coupe, as it has been confirmed at the press conference about 2 an half hours ago it is a separate model to the FWD Tiburon (as expected).

    image

    CONCEPT GENESIS COUPE SPECIFICATIONS
    · Configuration: Front engine, rear-wheel drive sports coupe
    · Wheelbase: 2,820 mm / 111 inches
    · Overall length: 4,666 mm / 183.7 inches
    · Overall width: 1,902 mm / 74.9 inches
    · Overall height: 1,386 mm / 54.5 inches
    · Wheels: 20-inch, five-spoke
    · Tires: Hankook 255/35 ZR front and 275/35 ZR rear

    PRELIMINARY PRODUCTION CAR DETAILS
    · Engine type: V6
    · Estimated horsepower: more than 300 horsepower
    · Estimated torque: more than 250 lb. ft.
    · Displacement: 3.8 liters
    · Block material: high pressure die cast aluminum
    · Cylinder head material: aluminum
    · Valvetrain: Dual Over Head Cam (DOHC)
    · Valve timing: continuous variable valve timing
    · Estimated 0-60 mph: under 6 seconds
    · Transmission type: 6-speed manual
    · Front brakes: Brembo, 340 mm disc, twin-piston calipers
    · Rear brakes: Brembo, 330 mm disc, twin-piston calipers
    · Limited slip differential


    More: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/14/la-2007-liveblogging-hyundai-rwd-coupe-reveal- -at-5-30-pm-es/
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    When first introduced back in winter 2004/2005, the markups were ridiculous, due to the so-called "gotta have it". Stickers of $38K+ were the norm. Take a swing over to the GTO forums and look up the past posts from that time-frame. And remember these were the 350hp LS1s. In my neck of the woods, Chi-town, not only were there these crazy mark-ups but also dealers wanted deposits just to test-drive them. Of course these sat, the 2005s sat

    Why do you think:
    the 04s sat
    the '05s sat but picked up late in the season

    Sales were reduced. Remember, they were to bring over 18K/year for 3 years, but then the next years figures were reduced to 12K. Had nothing to do with plant capacity, shipping or any of the other reasons given. It was due to the dealer asking prices / practices, stalling in the market. Then the fire sales went into effect and they started moving. A decent portion of the 2005 sales were actually 2004 cars! Many just waited until the fire sale, as you stated, catching them at invoice. Hell, the Pontiac dealer by me still has a couple '06s (and no, they're not trade-ins). A shame because the car itself was a pretty decent Chevrolet, a decent Camaro replacement, not a GTO in many people's book.

    Slight touch-up to add GTO character (split dual exhaust outlets, hood scoop)

    Again, a shame as the car was pretty decent, reading about it for years and when they finally bring it over, it pretty much flopped sales-wise.

    Back to Genesis Coupe / Tiburon, whatever... ;)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup I really wanted one, test drove it, but a few things stopped me from picking it up, mostly the non-compatibility with any parts sold here. Couldn't get wide tires to fit under the fenders, and numerous other "gotta order from Australia" parts which basically made it only good if you planned to keep it stock.

    -mike
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    Yes. It just seems GM/Lutz/Pontiac really messed up what was a bright spot in their sea of ho-hum product offerings and SUVs. It seems they just figured: it's a coupe, it's fast, we can slap a Poncho Grand Am frontend on it and viola GTO. We'll sell a million of 'em!! And we can get a gob of money for it since it's named GTO. Customer support, parts availability, what's that? ;)

    But back to the subject at hand, I'm not really feeling the SEMA 2F2F Special that was posted earlier. Just not into the ricer thing, even when I owned a used Datsun/Nissan turbo coupe years back as a kid. I like the previous pics of, what I hope to be, the production version (sitting next to the Mustang). I need to find some frontal shots of this coupe. Again, I like the current gen Tibby and if the pics of the new one are accurate, has the drivetrain options -even if it doesn't come with a V8-, at a good price point, say in the mid-20K range with the hi-po V6 and good options, I can see this rig in my garage.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah if it's cheap and hi-po V6 with the RWD it'll become a track monster. Heck it could concievably become the next miata in terms of road racing. Right now road racing is really lacking in the F-R car with good handling, the V6 with a bunch of power could actually out-handle a V8 version.

    -mike
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    It is being billed as the most affordable 300hp+ sports car; the only turbo 4 rear wheel to hit the market.
  • akumaakuma Posts: 70
    that must means under $25,000 for the v-6, and who knows how much for the turbo. looks like it undercuts the Genesis sedan by around 5k, and probably priced somewhere between the Sonata and Azera.
  • aneeshaneesh Posts: 44
    At LA show, Hyundai said that the Genesis coupe is not a successor to the FWD Tiburon....the Veloster concept [a FWD w/2.0 L and 5 speed AT] will be the future Tiburon (expected 2009-'10)...............it will start at about the same price as the current Tiburon
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Turbo4 is the base engine will cost less than the V6 version. I'd venture to guess around 20K base
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Yeah, the Genesis coupe is a separate model to the FWD Tiburon. Mods, can we change the title to Genesis Coupe?
  • This discussion is linked off of the Future Vehicles page for the 2009 Tiburon, so we're going to need to keep it as a Tiburon discussion. We don't have any info on a separate Genesis coupe, but if you want to start a new topic for that, that's fine & dandy.

    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    I think that would make sense, seeing as the Genesis sedan is supposed to be their lux flagship. I don't think this sedan/coupe combo can be looked at like the G35 coupe/sedan, 3-series sedan/coupe...

    I see this coupe having the Gensis V6 drivetrain (don't think the sedan will get the I-4T, at least not in the states), maybe some interior components on a top-of-the-line luxo model, but not really billed as a coupe version of the Genesis sedan like in the examples above. (Hope I'm clear on my explanation / thoughts).

    Any event, it's a cool-looking rig
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The Genesis coupe WILL have the same V6 current housed in the Hyundai Azera, Kia Amanti, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Veracruz, albeit in its second generation, and modifications to up the horsepower up to over 300 (and increased torque as well). The other four vehicles mentioned will receive the second generation engine when they are due for facelift.

    The turbo 4 is mainly designed to attract the tuner crowd and help to keep the prices low - probably around 20K (either way, we are looking at the only rear-wheel turbo 4 and the most affordable V6 when it arrives).

    The interior is vast different from the BK (Genesis coupe) and BH (Genesis sedan).

    The Tiburon replacement (FWD) will be Veloster inspired but it is not due until a few years down the road. This is why the Hyundai coupe replacement is not a replacement but a new model based on the Genesis sedan platform, accomdating RWD architecture.
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    Read this last night in AutoWeek mag:

    Hyundai unveiled its Genesis Coupe at the LA show, but production versions of the big rear-wheel-drive cars - sedan, coupe, convertible – are well on their way to showrooms.

    The Genesis – though that likely won’t be the production car’s moniker – will make its debut in sedan form at the Detroit auto show in January and will go on sale in mid-2008 as an ’09. The production coupe will debut next spring at the New York show and will arrive in dealerships in spring 2009 as an ’10 model.

    Hyundai reiterated that only the flagship sedan will get v8 power, in the form of a 4.6 litre packing more than 300 hp. The coupe will reportedly make do with a 3.8 litre, 300 hp V6, and a turbocharged 2.0 litre, 215 hp I4


    The article went on to show the silver coupe, parked alongside the Mustang, stating that was from a summer marketing event, and the earlier camouflage pics were taken in Colorado. There wasn't a time-frame listed for the convert.

    This pretty much what I stated yesterday.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The silver Genesis coupe park next the Mustang was not part of a summer marketing event, it was part of a consumer clinic (not open to public) back in June. There were other coupes at the clinic - fyi

    The production version is already done - Hyundai built the concept based on the production model. The production model was at the consumer clinic.

    Feel free to add pre- before production :)
This discussion has been closed.