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Future Hybrids Which Model Will Be Next?

fuel manfuel man Posts: 3
edited March 7 in General
I would like to hear what you all have heard about future hybrid models.

I am aware of the following announcements:
- Toyota Highlander
- Mercury Mariner Hybrid
- Saturn VUE Hybrid
- Lexus GS
- Nissan Altima Hybrid
- Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid
- Dodge Durango
- Mazda Tribute
- Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid
- Mercury Milan

Has anyone heard about any rumors of any other future models. I know Toyota has been aggressively promoting their hybrid technology so I am cureous if they will be offering any more models. Also, why has Honda been so quiet about hybrids lately? Any new models from Honda?

I would appreciate any information you may have heard.

Thanks,
Fuel Man
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  • Does anyone have any info on whether or not Toyota will produce a hybrid version of the Tundra?
  • Or whether or not Toyota will produce a hybrid Sienna mini-van?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Hybrid Cars in Development

    Last year, about 80,000 hybrid cars and trucks were sold out of some 17 million total sales in the US, according to David Friedman, research director for the Union of Concerned Scientists' Clean Vehicle Program.

    Toyota plans to double the production of the Prius to 100,000 a year for the US to help alleviate severe shortages in some parts of country, where buyers must wait three to six months to take delivery.

    Automakers are developing new hybrid models at a rapid pace. Here's a look at the hybrid car lineup under development, and 'best estimate' dates for availablity to the consumer market:

    2005 scheduled releases:
    Lexus RH400 SUV - a 270 hp luxury hybrid, averages 27.6 mpg (8.5l/100km).
    Toyota Highlander SUV - the largest and most powerful of the hybrid SUV's.
    Mercury Mariner SUV - similar to the Escape SUV, but with more amenities
    GM Silverado
    GM Sierra
    Dodge Ram pickup
    2006 scheduled releases:
    Honda CR-V SUV - this is a compact SUV
    Toyota Camry Hybrid - the Camry is currently the best-selling passenger car in the US.
    2007 scheduled releases:
    Toyota Sienna Hybrid Minivan - a North American version of the Estima Minivan, available in Japan since 2001. This will likely be the first hybrid minivan on the North American market.
    Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid
    Mazda Tribute - compact SUV
    Nissan Altima Hybrid
    Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon
    Dodge Durango - with a 20% increase in gas mileage ( 22.3 mpg combined city/highway for the Durango HEV compared with 17.1 mpg for a comparable conventional V-8 Durango).

    See full story here:

    http://eartheasy.com/live_hybrid_cars.htm
  • jk450jk450 Posts: 1
    "Looks like the Sienna is due in 2007:
     
    http://www.hybridcars.com/toyota-sienna-minivan-hybrid.html "

    Not from that link, it doesn't. The author offers no evidence the s/he is doing anything but guessing. Remember, this is the Internet, where everyone passes around their ideas until they sound like facts. Many have claimed that Toyota would release a hybrid minivan here in 2004, then 2005, etc., etc. It's tempting to think so, since they have had two (the Estima and the Alphard) in Japan for some time, but guessing is just guessing.

    A slightly more evidence-based possibility: I'm sure that Honda is nervous about the possiblity of a Toyota hybrid minivan in the US, and more than one person, including Honda personnel, has noted that the spare tire storage area on the new Odyssey is well suited to a battery pack. And since the Odyssey has a run-flat option, it wouldn't necessarily need a spare...

    Also, the Accord hybrid's V6, a 3.0L vs. the Odyssey's 3.5, would be just about the right size for a minivan, once the IMA was factored in. We'll see.

    The eartheasy.com link also presents speculation as fact. I'll agree with the probablility of a hybrid Camry by 2006, since I've heard that from inside sources, but Honda has repeatedly quashed the hybrid CR-V (and hybrid Element) rumor, and has gone so far as to state that they don't believe in hybrid SUVs. However, if the Highlander is a runaway hit...
  • About a yr and a half ago I decided to investigate the hybrid cars. I test drove a Honda Insight, a Honda Civic Hy. and finally a 2nd Gen. Prius. The Prius really grabbed the "brass ring" for both my wife and myself. It won hands down on almost all catigories. So, we decided to by one. The salesman was helpful and our wait was 3 months to the day when we received a call telling us our car had arrived. To this day and 17K miles under our belt we've been thrilled with the car's overall return.
    If there was one thing that comes to mind that could have made our selection different it might have been if Nissan's Altima was out there at the same time. I think that it's rare when my wife and I agree on a selection of furniture or anything else for that matter but we both agreed that, had the Altima been available in a hybrid format, we would have cosidered it above a Prius. Alas! It was not meant to be. I still wonder what if...and yet, it still could happen.
    Railroadjames(if I shoulda, coulda, woulda)
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,860
    Everyone is welcome at our weekly chats! We're not quite as topic-restricted in the chats as we are here on the boards, so hybrid chat is fair game.

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  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Two Asian Hybrid Minivans with short reviews....rated at 44 MPG USA !!!

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/250305_Motoring/25Mar2005_motor59.php
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "2006 scheduled releases:
    Honda CR-V SUV - this is a compact SUV "

    I wish. Honda corporate has stated they won't hybridize the CR-V or Pilot.
  • mnmadmanmnmadman Posts: 1
    Any scoop on the Accord hybrid? I have not seen any on Minnesota roads, but have read great reviews on car mags galore. Last I heard from Rudy Luther Toyota (a local dealership) the Tundra hybrid is still a few years off (maybe 2007?). Any scoop by you?
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,860
    We're not quite as topic restricted int he chats as we are in the board topics, so a live discussion about what hybrid you would like to see next is fair game. Stop in tonight and we can get into it!

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  • boatfloydboatfloyd Posts: 29
    When will Toyota make the Matrix a Hybrid?
    boatfloyd :)
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Hyundai and Kia to release Hybrid models in USA by late 2006:

    "Hyundai Motor Co. and affiliate Kia Motors Corp. have moved up their schedule for introducing hybrid cars to the United States. They now expect to do so by late next year, a Hyundai executive says."

    http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102298
  • sinepmansinepman Posts: 137
    Edmunds has an interesting blurb on the upcoming new Chevy Suburban. It looks like GM is jumping in on the hybrid bandwagon. I know GM has been getting a bad rap lately, but some of their projects on the horizon look quite promising. I just hope it's reliable.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    From Toyota, the next US Hybrid will apparently be the Camry, according to Japanese press reports:

    "Toyota's next U.S. hybrid will be a Camry, according to Japanese press reports. Look for its arrival next year. Because the Camry shares its underpinnings with the Lexus RX and Toyota Highlander wagons - which have hybrid variants reaching dealers now - adapting the powertrain to the Camry shouldn't be a big stretch."

    http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102339
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Looks like a V-10 Hybrid Sports Coupe for sale in 2007:

    "Connaught's hybrid V10 sports coupe, the Type-D - High-flying hybrid dispels performance myths (30.03.2005)

    Following successful tests at Millbrook proving ground, a high-performance, petrol-electric sports coupe should reach UK markets next year.

    The Connaught Type-D sports coupe is described by the company as a 'revolutionary concept in vehicle design and engineering'. It will be powered by what is claimed to be the first-ever V10 hybrid engine, and should dispel the notion that petrol-electric engines entail a performance compromise.

    The 2+2 Type-D is expected to deliver a 0-60 mph time of 6.2 seconds, en-route to a maximum rated speed of 140mph. The performance will not be at the expense of economy: the company is targeting 42 mpg on the combined cycle, and compliance with the ultra-low emissions standards set for 2010.

    Production of the Type-D is due to start in 2006 with prices starting at around £35,000."

    http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/newsarchiveitem.html?id=4482&pos=1
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,914
    I have somewhat mixed feelings on this retrofit. It is not what I would call cost effective. It looks like the Prius + retrofit will cost from $10k -$12k on your car. If they go to Lithium Ion batteries it will be considerably more. It sounds from what I am reading it was borne out of frustration with the automakers dropping the ball on EV's. Rather than fight they have taken what is given them and tried to make a truly eco car from what Toyota has offered. I hope they succeed, I am a bit skeptical. When all is said and done you end up with a car that costs as much as a true luxury car and little or no warranty. You are out there with only your friends at calcars to help you. I believe I would take the money and buy an E320 CDI go run biodiesel and cut the oil companies completely out of the picture.

    http://www.calcars.org/priusplusfactsheet-v1.6.pdf
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Nissan to license Toyota HSD technology for their Altima Hybrids:

    http://www.mixedpower.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=644
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    Isn't that OLD news??
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Might be old news....I dont think it is official yet though.....
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    He said that Toyota plans to have 60% of their vehicles be hybrid by 2009. Don't know how accurate that is, but it sounds sensible to me.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    I guess Toyota wants to hybridize 60% of their models rather than 60% of their vehicles. The hybrid version of each model will have extras and will cost $5-6K more. And those who are rich and have hybrids will just boast of it.

    Someone should launch a hybrid without the extras and make it affordable for an average guy.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Yerth...I AM the average guy, and I've got TWO Priuses. PAckage 4 and package 6. And, IMHO, I didn't find either to be outrageously overpriced. Actually, I find the to be quite the bargain, all things considered.
  • toyotakentoyotaken Posts: 897
    I was actually thinking the same thing. You can purchase a Prius for just over $20,000 which is less than the average price for a new car now ($22,000). Sounds like it's within the price range of the average person now.

    Toyota Ken
  • I think what the original post was talking about was not necessarily the Prius. Take this into consideration. You can get a Honda Accord LX for well under 20K, however the Accord Hybrid is going to cost you a minimum of $30K. The problem with almost all hybrids is that they take a model, make it top of the line (leather, better trim, better speakers, etc) and THEN make it a hybrid. Sounds like corporate greed and a tactic that prevents more Americans from owning hybrids (terrible idea IMO). Case in point. When the Altima hybrid comes out, I'll bet it will cost in the upper 20s or low 30s. compare that to a 2.5s altima, which cost about $17k (pre tax, tag, title). Is getting an extra few miles/gallon worth all that money? NO.

    In a perfect world, we'd all be more concerned about the environment and dependency on foreign oil, HOWEVER this is the real world and we're more concerned about our financial situation. I'd rather drive a regular Altima or Accord and be fine rather than get a hybrid of these two cars and have to get a second job just to afford them.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I guess the average priced hybrid would either be a HCH or the Prius. Both can be had for LESS than the average purchase price of a new car.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    IMHO, the Honda approach to the hybrid isn't about economy...it's about adding horsepower without sacrificing too much economy. I really don't care if it's hybrid or not, paying a premium so I can be the first person from the stoplight at Third and Elm to get to the stoplight at Fourth and Elm isn't worth the extra cost. Where in the USA does anybody every get to use 300+ horsepower other than the stoplight dash?
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