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Hybrids Success in the Marketplace - Hybrid Sales Numbers

PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,871
edited March 15 in Toyota
Lots of news stories recently about the increasing sales of hybird vehicles. here's the place to trumpet those numbers and talk about the success of the hybrid offerings in the marketplace!

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,871
    Just a couple of quotes with links to the articles to kick this one off...

    (AP) The lure of the Toyota Prius and other hybrid cars helped drive healthy sales of electric and alternative-powered vehicles last year, according to new data that shows the hybrid market has grown by 960 percent since 2000.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/25/tech/main690845.shtml

    Gas costs fuel hybrid sales as Detroit spins its wheels
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2005-04-12-gas-hybrid_x.htm

    Although hybrid vehicle sales are off and running, American manufacturers are being left at the starting line, with Japanese manufacturers capturing more than 96 percent of hybrid sales in the U.S.
    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/hybrid_sales.html

    Certainly some of the dramatic percentage increases are due to the fac that the hybrid market is currently only a small portion of the entire automobile market, although it is undeniably increasing.

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,871
    Say the word "hybrid," and most folks immediately think of the Toyota (NYSE: TM - News) Prius. There are other hybrids out there, but the Prius dominates the market with 64% of all hybrid registrations for 2004. Toyota is on course to double sales of the Prius this year and can count on additional hybrid sales from the Highlander and Lexus RX400h.

    http://p102.news.scd.yahoo.com/s/fool/20050426/bs_fool_fool/111452492807

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  • frenchornefrenchorne Posts: 31
    There are a few articles out that claim Lexus sold 2,345 RX 400h and 11,234 Prius vehicles in late April.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0505070089may07,1,7604178.story?coll=chi-busine- ss-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    That is a high number for the Lexus as it was only out for half a month. It will be interesting to see the numbers for May.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,871
    Yep, probably way too early to draw any conclusions about the Lexus. Even hard to tell when looking at the 400h topic here since message boards tend to get more posts about problems/complaints than ones that say, "everything's fine".

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  • love2scubalove2scuba Posts: 34
    I think your comment about more complaints is incorrect. You probably have more messages from the same people that are having problems then you do for those that have nothing to complain about. Please put me in with the 400h owners who state "everything's fine".... :)
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    September Toyota Hybrid Sales -

    Prius - 8,193
    HH - 2,715
    RX400h - 2,113

    Total - 13,021

    Honda Hybrid Sales for Sept 2005:

    Honda also sold an all-time record number of hybrid vehicles, with
    September sales increasing 180.3 percent to 4,351 and year-to-date sales
    increasing 79.4 percent to 35,552. The popular Civic Hybrid had best-ever
    September sales of 1,916, up 24.8 percent over last year, and Accord Hybrid
    posted its best sales month ever at 2,352. There were 83 Insights sold in Sept 2005, a 388% increase over Sept 2004.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Era of the Big SUV is on the way out....

    As a telling sign of the times the Toyota Prius Hybrid outsold every large SUV on the market except the Chevy Tahoe in September.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/suv_sales_plummet.html
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    Toyota Prius Hybrid outsold every large SUV on the market except the Chevy Tahoe in September.

    I consider that somewhat misleading. The Trailblazer, Grand Cherokee, Explorer & Pilot all outsold the Prius from what I am reading. I would consider those large SUVs. In fact when I returned to work yesterday, my boss had brought me a brand new Excursion Limited diesel. Very nice red one I might add.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Is that the one that brakes from 70-0 in 240 feet?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    I doubt it, the roads are too icey. I top out about 45 MPH up here. It is blowing snow & 15 degrees right now. The lakes are frozen hard enough to drive on. No place for a hybrid.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Great place for the Highlander or RH. Sounds lovely!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    They would not last a year on these gravel roads. They sent us an Explorer that lost it's front end in 6 months. 10 ply tires last one year. No 1/2 ton trucks. Unleaded gas only available one place. When you are 100 miles out on the Arctic Ocean at a drill rig the only fuel is diesel. No place for wimpy trucks. 75% of the vehicles are 1 ton Crew Cab Fords. Ford has 3 warranty shops in Prudhoe Bay.
  • Well, it looks like you've aquired a relic. Non-Production vehicle now days. I'm not sure but isn't it the heaviest production SUV on the market? Never did find out from Ford the mpg of one. I've heard it runs about 13 in the real world of diesels. Less in the gas version. I'll stick with my Prius and its 53 mpgs. Grant you Alaska would put a Prius to the test. I'm sure a big SUV would always fair much better ..BUT...In my real world here in NW Indiana the Prius keeps on chugging. Gotta say that if fuel was cheap I'd love to have an Excursion or Escalade but thats not going to happen. Your point about sales sure seems mis-leading to me. The true measure of impact seems to show the Hybrids far and away experiencing the more intense sales. You don't see them promoting wild sales schemes in order to move backlogged SUV's. Prius' are definitly the vehicles that Americans want these days. :shades:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    Excursions are never going to outsell the Prius. Quite frankly after having two at work I would not buy one for myself. I don't like driving them as well as the 1 ton Crew Cab Fords. All our trucks are diesel. It is the fuel most available in the oil field. The roads are all gravel. Much of the rock is 1-2 inch in size. That is hard on everything. We go through about 2 windshields on each vehicle every summer season.

    I would say the hybrids will continue with good sales for the foreseeable future. If they ever come down in price they will be popular with the masses. I don't think they will make a big dent in the midsize SUV market.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2762

    "The Prius gas-electric hybrid mid-size sedan enjoyed best-ever November sales of 7,889, an increase of 29.1 percent."
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/hybrid_sales_in.html

    Hybrids are still cranking up the sales ladder !!!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    "US Sales of Hybrids Stay Strong in June 2006, Up 20% from 2005
    3 July 2006
    Hybrid_sales_jun061
    Click to enlarge.

    Hybrids in the US had their second-strongest sales month of the year and third-strongest month ever, posting a total of 23,048 units, an increase of 20% from June 2005. May 2006 remains the peak month, with 23,554 units sold.

    Total light-duty vehicle sales in the US declined 10.5% to 1.5 million units in June 2006 from 1.68 million units in June 2005, according to Autodata. Hybrids represented 1.54% of all US light duty vehicles sold in June 2006, up from 1.15% in June 2005.
    Hybrid_sales_jun062_1
    Click to enlarge.

    Toyota again led the way with ongoing strong sales of the Prius— 9,696 units, up slightly from June 2005 and its best performance of the year so far. The new Camry Hybrid followed as the second-best selling hybrid in the US, posting 4,268 units. In only its second full month of sales, the Camry Hybrid now represents 10.3% of the total brand sales.

    The Highlander Hybrid stayed in its ongoing band of performance, with 2,705 units sold, and 25.9% of total brand sales."


    http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/us_sales_of_hyb.html
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Sales are Hybrids increasing in 1 thing, but even if the sales of light duty vehicles in general declines, the share of Hybrids may increase.

    Light duty vehicle sales declined 10 % in June mainly led by Truck sales decline. If Disposable income in people's pockets decline, they may simply continue with their older vehicles which may actually give better mileage since they are lighter than today's models.

    Also people may wait for automakers to launch alternative fueled vehicles.

    All these things may bring a radical change in automotive industry.

    If June had 10 % decline, what about July with even higher gas prices.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    TORRANCE, Calif., Aug. 1, 2006 -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported its all-time best-ever monthly sales of 241,826 vehicles, an increase of 16.2 percent over July 2005. Calendar-year-to-date (CYTD) sales total 1,465,368 units, up 10.8 percent over the same period last year.

    "Market conditions are playing to traditional Toyota strengths of fuel efficiency, a strong passenger car offerings as well as our comprehensive hybrid lineup," commented Jim Lentz, TMS executive vice president. "We fared reasonably well in the tough truck market, where fuel costs and heavy incentives are ongoing challenges."

    The Toyota Division posted its all-time best-ever sales month of 214,867, up 17.7 percent. The Lexus Division reported best-ever July sales with 26,959 units sold, an increase of 5.6 percent.

    Toyota Division

    Toyota Division passenger cars recorded all-time best-ever monthly sales of 130,109, up 24.9 percent over the same period last year. Passenger car sales were led by the Corolla, which posted July sales of 41,800 and an increase of 42.3 percent over last July. The Camry Hybrid, which went on sale in late April, reported sales of 5,023 units in July. Total Camry enjoyed combined July sales of 41,892 units, up 1.3 percent. The all-new Yaris subcompact, which went on sale in March, posted sales totaling 10,137 units for the month. The Prius gas-electric hybrid mid-size sedan posted July sales of 11,114, an increase of 19.3 percent.


    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/08/01/016769.html

    P.S. TMS calendar-year-to-date hybrid sales broke the 100,000-unit sales milestone, reporting 105,808 hybrid units. In July, hybrids sales totaled 20,298 units.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    There was a "big naysayer" comment last month about how the Prius was a "whole 3 percent" below the 2005 sales figures.

    As of the end of September, it's now 0.6 percent behind, or in total cars sold, 103 cars behind the 2005 pace.

    I doubt it surpasses 2005 by very much, but I think it will.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Exactly.

    Remember the rush to buy before the Federal Tax Credits expired helped them deplete standing inventories, and are not reflected in those figures, which won't be released until next month, or the end of Quarter. ;)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    I doubt it surpasses 2005 by very much, but I think it will.

    What great incentive to buy a hybrid now? Cheap gas and no HOV stickers left. If they did not pass 2005 it could be Toyota holding back on manufacturing also. The statement was made that Toyota would sell 250,000 hybrids in 2006. I don't think it will be close to that.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    How funny human nature is, that we so easily forget the past, and consider only now.

    You think there is "cheap" gas now? Simply because it has declined from $3.30 for regualr unleaded to $2.85 :confuse:

    What was it one year ago? 18 months ago? Two years ago?

    Saving even $50 per month is a big deal to most people. Hybrids save, no matter what the retail price of gasoline is, and no matter what, they will go farther on less gas, than anything else made for the mass market. Period.

    As for HOV stickers, that depends upon where you live, and most quotas re-set in January elsewhere.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,993
    Not sure where you are paying $2.85 for regular. Even in San Diego it is under $2.50 now and oil dropped into the $58 range today. There have been volumes written on whether you save any money buying a hybrid. You say yea, I say nay. It will be a long time before any real data will be available to sort it out. If there was to be a big year for hybrid sales this was it. Big tax breaks and HOV lane privileges. I agree that saving $50 a month is a lot for some. Is it enough to take on another payment for a more expensive vehicle? I don't think so. Or jam your teenagers into a Civic when they would be more comfortable in a larger vehicle. If you commute more than 50 miles a day I would probably recommend a hybrid. Otherwise I think they are a waste of money.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    We don't disagree. It is merely a matter of degree. ;)

    Gasoline in Reno, Nevada is still above $2.85, and that was the case last week in the Bay Area and Sacramento.

    Highlander Limited Hybrids, as posted in this very forum, have been going for very little over $2000 over their ICE counterparts at dealers lately. As my Dad once told me while calling me an idiot for forgoing AC because of the price: "You're financing the car! How much, in the end, do you think that $600 for AC is really going to save you?". Even $3000 extra, over 60 months is $50 per month. So the minimum savings on gas washes the extra price in 5 years, and if a person drives 15-20K per year, or the price of gasoline really dives back upward again, the savings are very real indeed. And of course the Hybrid Highlander has more power than the ICE one. :P

    Add in the intangibles, like being better for the environment and its cool tech display, it really isn't a big issue, the price. Besides, even Consumers Reports has reversed itself, and they once agreed with you. ;)
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Wednesday, 4 October 2006
    Despite Oil Change Hybrids Sell
    Topic: New Vehicles
    Event though gas prices have fallen well below $3 in most of the country the top-selling hybrid models continue to move out of dealerships. Truck sales are still slipping, but not as badly as in the previous months. Perhaps consumers who are opting for fuel efficiency won't ever go back to larger vehicles.

    A quick scan of the numbers from September:

    Toyota boosted passenger car sales in September by 12.4 percent over last year, including a 23.1 percent jump in Prius' sales. Honda's best selling Civic Hybrid shot up 25.9 percent, while Honda car and light trucks rose 7.3 percent.


    Hybrids still hot
  • Saving even $50 per month is a big deal to most people. Hybrids save, no matter what the retail price of gasoline is, and no matter what, they will go farther on less gas, than anything else made for the mass market. Period.


    Save 50 a month in gas, while spending 4000 more to buy the vehicle.

    Can you say "penny wise and pound foolish"
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    The prices, as posted in these forums, don't support your statement at all.

    People are buying Toyota Camry Hybrids for no more than the price of a LE or XLE. Read the prices paid forum. ;)
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Sales of Toyota hybrids were down 4,136 vehicles in October 2006 versus September.

    Some of that I'm sure is lower gas prices.

    Wonder how much is a lower tax credit as of Oct 1st for the 'Yota/Lexus hybrids?

    Let's hope people (car buyers) are not so shallow and sheep-like that so many of them were only buying hybrids for the tax break.

    Shame on them if they were !!! :mad:
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