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Suzuki Grand Vitara 2006 through 2008

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  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Back on March 30 msg 435, nramos76 posted:
    "Being an electrical design eng. by trade, I'm interested in developing a modification to enable the gas mileage meter to do an average reading versus instantaneous. Since I would need the electrical diagram from the Suzuki service manual, but can't justify purchasing the manual for this alone, I was wondering if anyone was kind enough to scan the diagram and email it to me? If I am able to develop a mod I would be more than happy to share it with the community here...
    Noel "

    After three months of Internet commerce adventures, I finally got my '06 GV factory service manual. It's quite a hefty thing, and has some good detail. HOWEVER, it has virtually nothing about the mileage display. About all it has is that the readout gets information from the ECM, presumably the fuel injector metering system. I imagine the processing to a readable format is done in the dash display assembly, rather than the ECM, and there's certainly nothing describing the innards of either, or how they're programmed.

    Presumably, the same signal could be fed into a different module to do the required processing, then fed back out to the same display. Taken further, you could use the fuel tank level sensor information, and the odometer sensor information, plus a clock, and combine these to give Distance to Empty and average fuel consumption for a trip. It would be easier to buy an aftermarket unit that plugs into the transmission diagnostic connector, but then you'd need to mount it somewhere.

    Sounds like Suzuki is going to fix this next year. The question is whether they're reprogramming the ECM to do so, or just the display. The display has a clock, and that's what's needed for averaging. The trouble is that if you can fix this by changing the display unit, it likely will be priced at $200-300 (for something as complex as a clock radio).
  • fury168fury168 Posts: 2
    Just picked up a Black Luxury GV at the end of April. I must say I love this GV. Got the front 2 windows tinted to match the back and had a light tint put on the sunroof. Can't believe it wasn't tinted already. Also had an autostarter put in it. The place where I had it installed was able to make it work through the Keyless entry fob by pressing the lock button 3 times. Works great and the range is 150 feet. The guys at the shop were very impressed with the GV. (first time they had seen an '06) They liked the styling and were blown away that it had keyless entry and start.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,927
    Congrats Fury!

    Please post about your deal over in the Suzuki Vitara: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion. Thanks,

    Steve, Host
  • dclark2dclark2 Posts: 91
    "alking Engine size:
    I remember back in 1988 when driving my Suzuki Forza with the 1.1 3 cylinder engine.
    That little [non-permissible content removed] drove me to work and camping with my wife and two small children aged 4 and 2 years old.
    It was very slow at picking up speed but once there, it was a no problem cruising at 60-65mph in 5th gear.
    I had that car for five years and never had a problem.

    Now we are in 2006 and people are concerned that a 2.7 V6 engine may not be enough to pass on the HWY....WOW this is crazy LOL.
    If you need more power than that while keeping a good MPG (23-25), go and get the VUE V6 with the Honda 250HP engine and tranny.....that will take you places and probably at the same price as the suki."

    Back in 1988, the national speed limit was 55mph. Guess what? The speed limit can be 70-75 mph in some places.Driving in the year 2006 requires more than the power that cars had wheezing up to 55mpg back two decades ago.Yup,the Saturn has more power than the GV. The V6 Rav also has more power. The new Mazda has more power. Come to think of it, there's not a six cylinder powered suv that has the GV's combo of lowest power and worse mpg. That's the result of low tech. Even Suzuki knows that the GV motor is yesterjunk; that's why they built a new engine factory that will make GM designed vvt engines, engines that will give 25mpg and offer 250hp.
  • brmatthewbrmatthew Posts: 1
    I purchased an after market hitch, Draw-Tite, for my GV. The hitch was an easy bolt in however trying to wire the trailer lights has been a different story. The harness provided by Draw-Tite has a T bone connector with five prongs. They indicate it should plug into an outlet located in the jack compartment. I can't locate a outlet in this area and I think the instructions are for a pre 2006 Vitara. I have also spoken to several dealers and they have been little help two indicating there should be a outlet somewhere and one voting for hard wiring it. Bottom line, has anybody hooked up trailer lights on one of these and knows where the hook up is?? Any help appreciated.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    You are correct on the GV being the lowest power of all v-6 comparisons. The fuel mileage also isn't the greatest but I don't see any high numbers on any of them.
    The Saturn Vue is probably the best bet all the way around if you want a GM built vehicle other than the drivetrain.
    The GV is still the only one with a base price v-6 under $20k and has the best warranty.
    Expect to pay about $4,000 more for all that high tech hp other than the Vue.
    If GM is going to start putting motors in the GV, I hope they add an extended warranty.
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    How do you separate the mileage penalty of the GV's engine from the penalty exacted by "full-time AWD", the extra weight, and the shorter body? And after that separation is made, a fair comparison would factor in reliability. Only then could you determine if the cost of the extra gas due to the older engine is a worthwhile tradeoff compared to more expensive engines.

    A head gasket job at 8 years will erase any savings on gas. Depending on which vehicle might need such work.

    I have no idea what the answer is, but there's a good chance the outcome looks better than the ADVERTISED mileage ratings. I understand manufacturers have been known to fudge horsepower numbers also.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    I wasn't trying to do an exact scientific account of all factors endured in my official test and bs opinion.
    I was just stating that the GV is still the best priced bang for your buck suv.
    I just made another look at the Saturn Vue forums (again, nothing scientific or exact comparisons)and there were many people unhappy with the 22mpg they were getting versus the 28 mpg as stated by the sticker. It's also my guess that the Vue visits the dealership more often which will also decrease your mileage.
    My neighbor bought the Ford Escape hybrid and hates it. The hybrid part only works in slow traffic so the $37k price tag didn't pay off for his long trips.
    We just made a combined city/hwy trip to Las Vegas with the a/c on and I have to say I drove it hard so I could get to a casino and a free beer and got an exact 21mpg. That $4k I saved over getting an extra mpg was used for some fun.
    I doubt any suv out there comes close to their sticker mpg so that even further enforces my bs opinion of the extra expense of the high tech engine, although I would love to squeal the back tires easier.
    I'll be trading in my GV long before my warranty runs out. Anything can happen in the 8th year, or maybe not. Head gasket or whatever is just a crap shoot like anything else. Are the GVs known for that in the 8th year or 80k miles?
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    I agree absolutely with your view of the value of the new GV. And if the remarkable scarcity of problems with them continues, we'll be able to add another factor in its favour.
  • dclark2dclark2 Posts: 91
    "We just made a combined city/hwy trip to Las Vegas with the a/c on and I have to say I drove it hard so I could get to a casino and a free beer and got an exact 21mpg. That $4k I saved over getting an extra mpg was used for some fun."

    That is horrible, horrible mileage! I guess you might think that is great if your previous vehicle was a '72 Dodge Polara.
    But 21mpg? So, it has 185hp and only gets 21mpg, and you are bragging about it? That's just pathetic.
    I often drive to 'Vegas myself. In my '96 Impala SS (weighs 4400lbs, modified motor with 3.42 gears), I average 23-24 mpg. In my old Honda CRV, I averaged 26mpg. On long trips, my '06 GTO gets 26mpg. I top off the tank, divided the odometer number by gallons to come up with these figures; I don't guess.On my last trip to Vegas (via 15), with fully loaded car, a/c and an average speed of around 100mph, my TDI wagon got 36mpg. In my stable of a 400hp 4400 hotrodded sedan, a 400hp 6 speed '06 GTO and a '03 Jetta wagon TDI five speed, a 21 mpg Grand Vitara would be the gas hog of the bunch.
    You can claim that no suv matches the epa sticker all you want. If that helps you sleep at night, then so be it.I forgot what the epa sticker was on my CRV, but I do know that it easily got 26mpg. On my Jetta, the sticker said 50mpg, but heck, I have gotten 55mpg. With the price of gas, the difference between a vehicle that only gets 21 mpg and one that gets 26mpg, over a period of a few years, is huge.If you think your being logical, think again. How much gas did you burn up to get a "free" beer?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    I have gotten 55mpg. With the price of gas, the difference between a vehicle that only gets 21 mpg and one that gets 26mpg, over a period of a few years, is huge.

    That works out to about 380 gallons difference or roughly $1,000 over 3 years.

    tidester, host
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    I never said I was bragging. Just stating the facts of our experience with the GV. I'm very happy for you and your ego trip with your hot rods. You can go to any other suv forum and say the exact same thing. You're missing my point because you're so wrapped up in your plethora of high mileage hot rods. Who cares.
    There isn't a suv out there that would satisfy your needs in the mpg area. The GV may eat up more gas but it's still reasonably priced and fun to drive. Did you read "fun", try it sometime and we'll go get that almost "free" beer together in Vegas.
  • dclark2dclark2 Posts: 91
    "never said I was bragging. Just stating the facts of our experience with the GV. I'm very happy for you and your ego trip with your hot rods. You can go to any other suv forum and say the exact same thing. You're missing my point because you're so wrapped up in your plethora of high mileage hot rods. Who cares."

    I included my vehicles for comparison to show what a gas hog the GV is. "Ego trip with your hot rods"? What is that supposed to mean??? My '96 Impala has one of the largest trunks to ever grace an automobile (22'), lots of interior room and is widely recognized as the ultimate road trip car.Does that, and the the fact that it can get 26mpg make it less practical than a GV?

    "The GV may eat up more gas but it's still reasonably priced and fun to drive. Did you read "fun", try it sometime and we'll go get that almost "free" beer together in Vegas."

    Fun? I know what fun is, and driving around in a gas guzzling underpowered Suzuki around the city or on a long trip doesn't sound like much fun. My idea of fun is going on a weekend trip in my GTO.Try driving a car that with 400lbs of torque, 400 hp and can do a quarter mile in 12 seconds. Feel the g forces push you into the seat.Try taking a high speed turn in a car that feels like it is riding on a rail- that's fun. If you don't believe me, take a survey and asked them what they would think would be funner to take on a road trip (Grand Vitara, or a 6 speed '06 GTO). The GTO will take the fun factor every time (and get better mpg, too!).
    "There isn't a suv out there that would satisfy your needs in the mpg area. The GV may eat up more gas but it's still reasonably priced and fun to drive."
    The current CRV can get 27-28 mpg. Add larger interior space, much more cargo space and superior resale, yeah, I could be happy with that.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    We should start a new thread; GV vs GTO, now that's a close comparison. The next thing you'll tell us is that you paid less for it than a GV. Don't forget to factor in the price you paid for the GTO.
    Everyone buy a GTO, after all, it is the only vehicle that should be sold,period.
    "Fun" meant personally, not driving a car. In simple terms, lighten up.
    I noticed you bragging AGAIN about your GTO, yup, ego trip.
    "The current CRV can get 27-28mpg, so? It's ugly. It's more money. It's less horsepower/4cyl. Yup, your right again, that's why it gets more mpg. so go buy it or just go.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    OK, so the GV gets terrible mileage for being underpowered, but I'm questioning your facts on mpg.
    Your GTO is only rated at 21 mpg hwy and yet you get 26.
    Your Jetta is rated at 50 mpg and you get 55.
    Hmm, my free beer in Vegas, priceless.
    You should buy a GV, then it would get 29 mpg vs the 24 and we all would be happy.
  • dclark2dclark2 Posts: 91
    "Your GTO is only rated at 21 mpg hwy and yet you get 26."

    You are wrong on so many fronts. First, my GTO is rated at 25mpg on the highway. That's just the start...I have laid out the facts- if you choose to ignore them, then that is your choice.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    The '06 GTO is rated at 16 city/25 highway - which would average out to almost 21 mpg in a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. Naturally, YMMV as will your mix.

    tidester, host
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Maybe he is dreaming, must drive nothing but highway to get 26 MPG in his fantasy world of power cars. But isn't going an average of 100 MPH like he said earlier going to just kill gas mileage?? My Verona is rated 20/27 and I drive back and forth to work about 15 miles highway and 10 miles country road, speed limit 55MPH and I only get between 22 and 23MPG. I don't think I have ever seen a car get better gas mileage than the highway reading, we all know that those readings are under test conditions at the test facility.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    I also would much rather have a Suzuki Grand Vitara ( I am trading the Verona for one), which is made in Japan, and has a great track record for being a very strong motor, than buying a GM car that might or might not be very reliable. Look at the crap that GM Daewoo gave Suzuki (the Verona), and passed it off as a good engine, when it wasn't. GM is in trouble and they don't make cars like they used to, they are unreliable these days. One look at the GV vs. the Equinox ( Suzuki sells the body to GM), shows that the GV has a 2.7 liter 185 HP motor, and the Chevy has a 3.5L 185HP motor. This engine they put in this has the opportunity to have alot more HP, but the engine in the Equinox is a engine that is obsolete, so GM can no longer update it, just push them out as is and plop them into the car. this is another reason why GM in in trouble and thier sales have slowed so much, they don't know how to do anything except try to wow consumers with big HP cars like the GTO, or make cars like the malibu that have alot of flashy features (XM, movable pedals,fake alloy wheels, etc...). Two words makes all the sense in America these days for car sales....Buy Japanese!!
  • vitdeanvitdean Posts: 9
    To the Hottrodders excited about being thrown back in the seat with their gas guzzling cages that probably cost upwards of 30 large, and yes doing 12 second quarter miles, stay away from old farts like myself that drive one of those new "underpowered" Grand Vitara's. Cause' the day after you get yer warm fuzzy beating me to the next stoplight I'll be redeaming myself on my 1100 suzook that gets 50mpg all day long that I paid 3500 hundred bucks for. Thank You for your support.....
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