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Suzuki Grand Vitara 2006 through 2008

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  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    Anyone hear about Vitara4me and his lean condition?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    We haven't heard from him but we're still waiting for his update! :)

    tidester, host
  • roach1roach1 Posts: 2
    Thank you , found it!!! near the battery
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    The '06 GV service manual describes how Suzuki examines tires and rims for out-of-roundness and balancing, then matches tires and rims to cancel each other out as much as possible.

    If you've noticed colored dots on your tire sidewalls, that is what they are for. To preserve this balance, it's important that if you have to remount a tire, the relationship between tire and rim be restored. The manual even suggest marking the set more permanently in case the dots wear off.
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Unfortunately we haven't tested the GV's "off-road" capabilities recently. The SE model of the first-generation Pathfinder had 2-firmness adjustable shock absorbers. Suzuki could add that to the GV with the low range, solving the need to compromise on the stiff side for the suspension.

    Alternately, they could just put stiffer (and Higher, please, please, greep, beg) suspension on the low-range equipped models, and soften up the other models. This would be so easy to do, and benefit both those who need stiffer suspension for rough stuff, satisfy the vast majority of buyers who will stick to pavement, and appease the auto journalists who lowered the GV's ranking because of the busy ride.

    We've put some highway mileage on the GV, and I've posted the gas consumption observations on the GV vs Rav4 topic. I'm also happy to say I activated the ESP on a tight corner in that tricky section of highway between Manning Park and Princeton. I wasn't about to lose control, and the tires were not squealing or sliding, but I probably had more cornering G forces going than I ever have with it. (My wife was making that noise people make when they suck air in between their teeth, and bracing herself.) The effect of the ESP was a moment of subtle swaying/wallowing, plus a slight change in direction. Hardly even noticable, and entirely without all the drama exhibited by the traction control.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    Just in case anyone missed the newer road test.


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  • vitara4mevitara4me Posts: 35
    Ok, I'm the guy that had his floor melt on the way to Vegas. So far, this is what has happened: Suzuki changed my carpet, but didn't change my sound deadening pad, foam support, or floor mats. While the dealer was changing my carpet, the dealer caused more damage to my car repairing it then before I brought it in for service!

    The dealer broke five interior plastic pieces, and scratched the paint all the way to the metal on the right front and rear door sills. One of my back seats no longer locks tight and I have a new rattle.

    Oh, the VIBRATION issue. The dealer changed the rear driveshaft and balanced the tires. The vibration is still there.

    The LEAN issue: The dealer changed all three cats and changed two O2 sensors. Is it fixed? Only GOD knows...

    Well, the Vitara still vibrates while accelerating (between 55-65, and 75-85 mph). And guess what? I went to Las Vegas last week and my floor melted again. It was 110 degrees in the desert heat, and I was driving approximately 80 MPH (no trailer this time).

    I called my dealer today to see if my parts were in (the parts the dealer broke + my new floor mats, foam support, etc...), and I was told that the dealer no longer sells Suzuki!!! Huh? They have my parts, but they will not give them to me because they are no longer a Suzuki dealer. I was told that I could "buy" them and install them myself. When I was told that, I hung up, poured myself a Scotch on the rocks, and tried to lower my blood pressure.

    I called three more dealers near me and they were closed as well!! July 5th, 2006, four dealers in my area dropped the Suzuki brand. Now, I have to drive to San Bernardino, California for service. That is 50 MILES AWAY from my home.

    Ok, so what is the deal? Suzuki dealers are closing all around me......

    I think I know the answer. Suzuki sells three crap cars: Verona, Forenza, and Reno. These are re-bagged Korean Daewoos. When GM bought out bankrupt Daewoo, they shoved the old Leganza, Nubira, and Lanos onto Suzuki. I spoke to one of the Suzuki techs and he said that Suzuki is being killed by warranty claims on the Daewoo/Suzuki cars. The Daewoo cars are having serious quality control issues, especially with the Daewoo engines. Many are spinning rod bearings and shooting rods out the block. Suzuki is being very quiet regarding this. But now that GM has sold its stake in Suzuki, the Daewoo crap will hopefully go away.

    So far, there are three things that the dealer cannot fix on my Grand Vitara:

    1) Melting floor.
    2) The notorious vibration issue.
    3) The driver's seat "clicks" every time I make a left or right turn.

    Now, you must understand that the vibration issue seems to be only with Luxury models with the 5-speed auto. Those of you with the two-wheel drive version may not have this problem. I believe that the vibration issue has to do with cylinder imbalance. Some cylinders are getting more/ less fuel than others. If the fuel rail has the injectors in series (one after the other), then the last two injectors can run leaner than the other four. Oddly enough, I drove another Grand Vitara Luxury Edition and it did not have the vibration problem. There is something that Suzuki is not telling us.......:lemon:

    Suzuki of America, if you are reading this. Take note: you have serious problems with the 2006 Grand Vitara and you need to address them. I am no longer a satisfied customer, and others are having the same problems. If you don't respond quickly, customer loyalty will suffer.

    I am going to take my Grand Vitara to the dealer one more time to get the vibration issue, and melting floor issue looked at. The third time is the magic number, as I fully intend to use the lemon law to get Suzuki to buy it back, and I am going to buy a new Toyota FJ. At least I don't have to worry about my nearest Toyota dealer closing its doors...

    Regards, ToyotaFJ4me

    (edited for content) Thanks moderators! :P
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    If I were you, I'd be just as peeved.

    I've been looking at the NHTSA site today, and I don't recall seeing any other complaints or TSB's about these things, except there is some stuff about the front and rear driveshafts. You should take a look, and you should also post safety complaints regarding the seat anchor, and the melting floor.

    We gave our GV a 6-hour drive in 40C temperatures a week ago, up and down mountain grades of up to 4000' of climbing, and at 100-110kph, and had no problems. We don't have vibrations, and the seats are tight. So hopefully, other than you being the unfortunate victim, yours is a rare lemon.

    Suzuki sales in North America are up 25% over last year, so hopefully they will survive.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    That's a story nobody wants to hear. I can't believe a dealer would tell you that you have to pay for parts. I would be calling Norwoodsmn and Norwoodsmn to settle this.JK :D
    Sounds like a computer problem that unfortunately you ended up with.
    I'm also concerned about the Suzuki situation and am waiting for a call from certain people and will let everyone know any info I get next week. Sorry, can't say anymore.
    Vitara4me, good luck and hope everything goes well.
  • dclark2dclark2 Posts: 91
    I'll post a couple of pastes in a second for those who want to
    check it out.
    3.6 motor- Most likely, at least for the first '07 models, I think there is little possibility, if any, of the GV getting it. While the Equinox/Torrent twins will be getting the 3.6 motor, it will not happen until around xmas.

    The ntsa has tested ( or maybe they haven't?)the 2007 GV. This model had the exact same weight. If the 2007 had a different motor, it is highly unlikely that it would have the same exact curb weight as the '06.
    Other changes- the '07 will have tire pressure monitoring, no integrated seat belt (?), and less seat belt webbing.
    Of course, all of this could be suspect-
    I got this info by comparing the '06 and 07 crash tests. The crash numbers for both years are indentical, as are the pictures!
    Here are sites:
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/3738.html
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3958.html
  • kutyafalkutyafal Posts: 27
    Regarding off-road performance...

    I test drove the GV Luxury 4wd this weekend and came away very impressed! I just sold my modified '91 Jeep Wrangler that I used to drive on the rocks and was itching for some off-roading so I drove the GV through a few ditches and gravel roads while on the test drive.

    I tried to do some spins and drifts on the gravel to test the ESP and was impressed how smoothly it worked! I currently drive a '96 Grand Cherokee Limited V8 and can spin and slide that baby around if I try real hard but not the GV. It will cut power and apply the brakes effectively to avoid such situations. Good thing that it can be turned off so one can have a little fun! :)

    I also drove into and through a deep ditch on the side of the road. Since I drove in diagonally I could cross flex the wheels where it would teeter-totter on the front left and rear right wheels while the other wheels were in the air. This is where the much touted Grand Cherokee would come to a stop since it has open diffs and no traction control (I think later models have them now). The GV's TC kicked in and after about a full revolution on the spinning tire the brakes were applied and it regained traction and was able to climb out of the ditch! I was impressed at how relatively smoothly this worked and was driver controllable. I would say the climb-out angle was around 30 degrees. I don't know how this would work on steeper climbs but recall reading something about TC disabling itself to avoid drivetrain overload...

    I'd love to take the GV on harder trails but it would need a few things modified before venturing out:
    - Bigger tires. Wonder what's the largest size that would fit.
    - Would be nice if Calmini developed a lift kit, like it did for earlier models. Probably just a matter of time...
    - Some underbelly and rocker skids for protection. This can be home made too.

    And of course there are questions about the strength of the drivetrain (tcase, axles, tranny) and weather the traction control would keep working under heavier loads and where would it max out.

    Just to put it in perspective I'm used to this kind of off-roading but of course I don't expect the GV perform like that.

    The only thing we didn't like was some sort of vibration on the highway. It felt like driveline or tire vibration and made the highway ride quite noisy.

    And of course it could use at least 40 more horses for better passing but I could live with what it has right now.
  • norwoodsmnnorwoodsmn Posts: 168
    We feel your pain! The only perspective I can bring to the [round] table here would be: when "you've", (any Suzuki owner), got BIG ISSUES, unfortunately it goes with the territory that you have to be prepared to leave yours, and consider driving AFAR,
    (even if your own local dealer remains in business), off to where the most knowledgeable long time Suzuki wrenches reside on staff.... That's reality.....
    How about some past five hour drives, (one way, myself), to see one of the best mechanics I've met, at a distant Zuke repair facility. Sorry also to hear about the closing dealership in your "hood". Lord, tell me about it, maybe we'll do a group therapy tell all Haloween night, or on the Mexican Day of the Dead here?

    Fortunately for me, my methaphorical "Texas Chainsaw Massacre like" Zuke service department horror stories, (simple negligence excepted), go back quite a ways! Still I keep a sharp eye out there, (but guess that goes for any maintenance concerned vehicle owner today), when one of my Zukes' is in the shop.

    Again, recently, (out of warranty), Zuke Canuckada stepped up for me, going one third, (one third dealer), and one third my bucks, to help rectify a $900.00 problem. So if it's any cause for some encouragement, (ESPECIALLY SO with your exposure of your incredible difficulties to the world here!), and really, REGARDLESS because of your warranty status, you should be able to get what needs to be done, DONE. Though again it's the WHERE to get it done..... Certainly your situation raises alot of questions. Ones I've had ample time to ponder over my years of ownership as well....

    As an aside, yes I can also confirm that Suzuki is EXTREMELY warranty expenditure conscious, partly [more recently] no doubt for some of the reasons you've stated, (Daewoo derivative vehicle warranty claims). This warranty service
    comparison/observation came from a Zuke guy [at an undisclosed location] who compared the readiness of, for instance, a Subaru's service rep's handling of this or that warranty issue, vs. my personal observaion of: "LIKE PULLING TEETH" with Suzuki, based on some of my own first hand experiences trying to get them to step to the fore on some close judgement calls. But clearly you've got some HOT FOOT/BAD VIBE problems which they should, (at the right facility), be prepared to move heaven and earth to rectify for you!, or cash you out PDQ towards a FJ Cruiser.

    Love, angst, bros and sis'es, I've said it before here. But it seems to early to draw any conclusions yet re: these being generic problems. Thanks other "bros" for that reassurance. So hope it's "just" atypical stuff, though it's not for you {vitara4me]
    Please keep us informed, and how far, (literally), you have to GO to make it happen. There are many potential lessons here for the new initiate to the brand.
    So IMPRESS US SUZUKI, WE'RE ALL WATCHING.......

    Norwoodsmn.
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Thanks for the off-road information, kutyafal.

    For the Canadian audience, this week's Motoring 2006 is supposed to have an update on their long-term test of the '06 GV. Check www.tsn.ca for your local schedule.
  • budman3budman3 Posts: 187
    So far the GV has been a top seller. Suzuki has been selling some Daewoo cars but that agreement has ended.
    A friend is adding a $500k showroom just for Suzuki. Some dealers aren't believers and may not be very enthusiastic.
    Those were just some quotes from someone I know. Doesn't make things right for Vitara4me, but maybe the trip to the next dealer will bring better results.
  • badsuzukibadsuzuki Posts: 1
    I wish they would roadtest my Grand Vitara. Been making a droning noise with vbration since new between 55-68 mph, not just accellerating but while cruiing tht speed. Have replaced driveshaft propellor and differential mounting bracket, now want to replace axles, then differential. They have no idea what the problem is, also vibration on moderate acceleration between 30-45 mph. Owned 2001 and 2004 GV never a problem, very disapointed in this new Xsport 4mode 4wd model. They will never compete with Honda or Toyota maybe even KIA with crap like this that they have no idea what is causing this vibration and droning noise. I am very sour on Suzuki, though they were ready to make headway aginst the BIG 2. Not even close!!
  • shlomozvshlomozv Posts: 5
    Hi
    I have the same vibration you have, the dealer had replaced drive shafts rear and front but it reach small effect
    so they install stabilizer part on got from suzuki especialy for this vibration issue the rear, which mean that suzuki know about this vibration problem on the NEW GV , SUZUKI send this stabilizer part,anyway it dosnot help , last week i have rabalnced the weels in adeffrent way which seems that help to decrees the vibration to alow level. soft vibrate still appear at 80 kph or 2200 rpm
    very soft vibration but still there ,the problem is the 2200 rpm is a cruse drive and its make me nerves every time i drove for along distance
    i wonder if suzuki the mother company has a technical support how can show us(the customers) what to do
  • bm000092bm000092 Posts: 70
    What kind of stabilizer, something they put on the drive shaft ? Usually that kind of vibration is due to the drive shaft angle. When I had my Cherokee, and added a spring leaf on each side at the back, obviously it did change the angle, not a lot but a little, and so I got that small vibration at around 30-35 mph and 60-65 mph also, but in my case this was expected, I knew it would may be do it.
    With my GV I cannot say that I have this problem, surely not enough to be noticed by any passengers (like if I'm sitting as a passenger, which is not often, I cannot notice anything), but when driving I can say yes, I can feel something really really small through the steering, nothing that can be eared or be annoying, or may be I'm just too used of the vibration I was getting with the Cherokee!!! And even then, it didn't do anything wrong to it, I drove it for 10 years, may be it's also the reason why I find the GV so smooth.
  • kutyafalkutyafal Posts: 27
    If there is a vibration when you're revving the engine while at a standstill then it's obviously not a driveline problem but an engine balance problem. If it only happens while driving then it's either the tires/wheels or the driveline. In this case I suggest to take the truck to a driveline shop that has the proper equipment to check and balance the driveline properly. It maybe something that Suzuki missed in the design and quality control. I have a '96 Grand Cherokee and it also has a mild driveline wibe at around 65. The Grand has good sound insulation and I just speed up a bit to around 90 and it goes away... ;)
    I'm going to check with the dealer where I test drove one that had the wibe and see what they've found out...
  • norwoodsmnnorwoodsmn Posts: 168
    Caught the re run of Motoring 2006 yesterday, but missed the first few minutes. Did I miss it, or is the long(er) term new GV test on the next show?

    Of pretty great interest on the one I saw, was a first look/drive of the four cylinder turbocharged '07 Acura RDX. The EXPENSIVE, upgraded sister ship to the all new '07 Honda CRV which is also due out in the next while. Have to say it to the predominate number of ON road warriors out there?, the new CRV ought to be the clear pick of the litter when it debuts, assuming one doesn't face significant obstacles on route to the cottage.

    For the rest of we present or still prospective future new GV owners, (xostnot, etc.), needing a tougher vehicle forr certain applications, I hope these initial problems with the new GV prove:
    1.) isolated, and
    2.) soon ironed out.

    But you know, as a postscrip here, doesn't this yet again beg the question, why didn't Suzuki concentrate instead by making their own less complex YET ALL NEW own economical four cylinder version of their historic standard bearer, the Vitara/Escuido class of vehicles? Instead, "it's" just gotta have a six, then, so what?, hey, lets butt heads with the likes of the CRV, and others, while diluting more than just a bit, the prior standard level off Suzuki offf road capabilities, (in the new GV), in the process? Hmmm, the jury still seems out re: the wisdom of it all, to me at least.... Nwdsmn.
  • nramos76nramos76 Posts: 6
    Well, after racking up about 7k miles on my '06 GV it has developed an annoying rattle in the interior rear of the vehicle. It rattles when I am driving on moderately rough roads particularly when the rear passenger side tire hits a "bump" in the road. To try an pinpoint the problem, I've driven with the rear cargo cover, spare tire cover, and rear headrests removed, but the problem remains. I suspect that it is the center seat belt mechanism inside the seat but not sure. My local dealer took it for a drive, but of course they claim that they didn't hear anything...
    Anyone else experience this?

    Noel
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