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Honda Pilot Real World MPG

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Your MPG is better due to other factors; driving style, terrain, and normal commute. Mileage doesn't get 25% better because you're burning a higher-octane gasoline. I'd bet money you'd get the same mileage as they do if you followed them to work every day, premium or not.

    But... I don't have the extra few hundred dollars a year to literally burn through; I'd rather put that money towards new tires, a new phone, or a weekend trip!
  • kasrhpkasrhp Posts: 11
    Kingfans,
    Why dont you go through the next couple of fill-ups with regular, and see what comes out. I assure you that you will do no harm to your engine by using what Honda tells their owners to use. Plus, it would only be a couple of fill ups, so no harm no foul.

    I dont understand you saying Pilot owners dont want to spend money on their vehicle by them running their Pilot by the book. If Honda required premium, Im sure we would put it in the Pilot. Just sayin.
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    yes sir thats correct. I am the only driver in the car. 95% highway driving. I am very easy on gas, and never exceed 65 or 70 mph.

    On my 2006 toyota camry v6 3.0L, I average 29.0 mpg, best 30.9 mpg, 5345 total miles.. ( all winter season during 2010). using chevron 87 octane.

    2010 honda pilot. 4wd. average 20.0 mpg, best mpg 21.1, 3052 total miles driven.. using chevron or shell 91 octane..

    I only have about 5000 miles on my pilot. oil life is still 50%.... The way I drive, I probably have to do first oil change at 10,000 miles..

    I will try 87 octane, after I do my first oil change..
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    hello I have a question.. according to the carsdirect 2009/2010/2011 honda pilot 0 to 60 acceleration is 7.1 seconds.. and according to insideline, they report 9.7 seconds..

    I wonder if anything have to do with the brand of the gas, octane level, manual gear change, tire psi, temperature.. if anyone know, please share. thank
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Likely has most to do with traction available and the method used to launch.

    Some car mags use brake-torquing, or do whatever possible to get the best possible time (even if hard on the drivetrain), where others simply pin the throttle and go.

    That said, I've NEVER seen a time in the low 7s for a Pilot. Best time I've seen from a consistent source was in the 8s. Not slow, but not fast by today's standards, either; slightly slower than my 4-cylinder Accord.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"That said, I've NEVER seen a time in the low 7s for a Pilot. Best time I've seen from a consistent source was in the 8s."

    Yep! 8.6 - 9.1 seems to be average for most articles I've read.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    edited March 2010
    >"yes sir thats correct. I am the only driver in the car. 95% highway driving. I am very easy on gas, and never exceed 65 or 70 mph.......
    ..........2010 honda pilot. 4wd. average 20.0 mpg, best mpg 21.1, 3052 total miles driven.. using chevron or shell 91 octane.. "


    When I traded the 03 Pilot for the 09 Ridgeline I was told to not expect the same fuel mileage, because the RL is geared, and tuned to perform more truck like duties. The transmission also stays in gear much longer (forever :sick: ) before shifting up. Service manager said to expect 17 or so in local driving in our area, as that is what he gets. And he was spot on at first..

    Now I'm averaging closer to 18 mpg. But the Pilot was getting 20. On the road at 60 mph the RL gets more in the 24 range and the Pilot got 27-28. At 65 the RL drops to 22 and the Pilot dropped to 25-26+. At 70 the RL drops to 20 and the Pilot dropped to 23-24. These figures are/were hand calculated.

    The Pilot mileage reflected about 7 years and 40K miles. The RL only has about 2500 miles on the clock so far. Don't know if it will improve or not. Mileage did improve on the Pilot when I switched from bargain brands to Shell 87. I've only used Shell 87 in the RL.

    Your mileage considering 95% highway and 65-70 doesn't seem to be spectacular.

    Actually your mileage is about the same or slightly lower than my RL, and the Pilot is rated higher. I'm thinking you to be a fuel mileage conscious driver. So.. It is entirely possible that the Premium fuel is costing you mileage. ;)

    Kip
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    yea RL epa rate 15/20. so far you are getting 2 mpg less.. same thing with my pilot. epa rate 16/22. I am getting 20 mpg , 2 mpg less.

    It doesn't matter how I drive, I am still getting 20 range.. Honda VCM is a joke.. without vcm is better for pilot. if you look up fuelly.com a few RL owners get 20.. mostly 17 18 19 range..

    hopefully mpg will get better.. how do you like your RL.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It doesn't matter how I drive,

    Untrue statement right there. How you drive is the biggest factor in MPGs.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"yea RL epa rate 15/20. so far you are getting 2 mpg less.. "

    Actually the RL is beating the EPA by 3 mpg city as it has been averaging 18 lately. It matches the EPA Highway of 20 at 70 mph. And beats it by 4 at 60 mph.

    It gets less mileage (by 10-12%) than the 4wd Pilot did, under the same driving conditions. When the EPA re-did their ratings the revised 03 Pilot ratings became 15 city/21 highway. Same city as the RL and only 1 better Highway than the RL. Yet Pilot delivered much better across the board than the Ridgeline.

    The '09 and '10 4WD Pilots are rated at 16/22. Point I'm striving to make is that this RL is getting equal to better highway mileage than your Pilot, at the same speeds, even though the Pilot is rated 2mpg higher. I'm thinking it could be the Premium Fuel is costing you mileage.

    It can't hurt anything to try a few tanks of 87 Shell and see if anything changes. I truly believe the mileage with "87" will be the same at worse and maybe improve at best. :)

    Mileages above reflect North-Central Georgia rolling hills, and cruise control on when possible.

    Kip
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    "how do you like your RL."

    Mixed bag of emotions with the RL, as I have to compare it to the 03 Pilot we had for 7 years. Newer Pilots are probably much improved.

    -Pilot got better fuel mileage.
    -Pilot ride was softer.
    -Pilot seats more comfortable.
    -Pilot had more room for 2nd row seat passengers. (Never used the 3rd row seats)
    -Pilot 2nd row seat backs would recline, where the RL seat backs are fixed.
    -Pilot engine and exhaust noise quieter inside the cabin.
    -Pilot transmission would shift positive at 2200 RPM. RL preferrs to wait until 3000 RPM or the shifts will be mushy and unsure if that is what it really wants to do.

    -RL seems to corner better.
    -RL has less road noise. Although I understand the newer Pilots have less road noise than the 03 did.
    -RL engine seems more responsive.
    -RL tranny will up shift when conditions and speed are right, going up hill or down, where as the Pilot would not, no matter what I tried with the throttle. Example: If the Pilot downshifted, it would stay in that gear until reaching the top or bottom of the hill. RL will shift back up when conditions are right, while on the hill.
    -RL will lock the torque converter at 42 mph while the Pilot waited until 50.
    -RL 2nd row seat bottoms will tilt up for more floor srorage.
    -RL has storage under 2nd row seat.
    -Rl has more storage and cubby holes for the front seat occupants.
    -RL has 7 Pin Electrical connector, tows more and better tranny cooling than the Pilot did.
    -RL bed is convenient for trips to Home depot, fuel cans, hay, and such. So I don't have to hassel with the trailer as often.
    -RL has a unique look, and I get a lot of questions and favorable comments on it. Although some folks don't like the looks at all! :sick:

    So...! For family stuff, people hauling, and driving comfort, the Pilot wins. For the utility that I need, the RidgeLine wins. :)
    Kip
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    Thanks. Since I got my windows tinted, I have to downgrade the octane from preminum to regular..

    chevron 87. 20.6 mpg ( method by hands). 40% driven in heavy snow).

    mpg is about the same as using 91 octane.

    http://www.fuelly.com/driver/hondavtec/pilot

    Happy Easter.
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    I hope you will love your RL Have you drive on the snow yet?

    My 2010 pilot 4wd did very well in the snow this winter.. I hope you have no problem in the snow. Honda make the best AWD. someone from ROC forum said RL 4wd is better than subaru wrx...

    I will buy Honda Pilot 4wd in the future..
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    We got one snow that "stuck" this winter. About 3" inches accumulated. It was real dry and powdery. No problem driving in it. But when It thawed somewhat during late day and the "wet" re-froze over night, the resulting ice became a bit of a problem for some drivers the next morning..

    A friend with a "Hemi" powered Dodge Ram. was unable to meet with our usual group for Saturday morning breakfast, due to traction issues In his neighborhood.
    Our RL had no problems.

    As a reference, during the 7 years that we owned the Pilot, we encountered several conditions where the 4WD was very useful and worked like a charm. My understanding is that the newer Pilots have even better traction control than the older models.

    If I had my "Druthers", there would be a switch to convert the RL tranny shifting and torque converter operation from "truck" mode to the smoother shifting "Pilot" mode.

    Happy Easter !

    Kip
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    Yes. I love Honda Pilot 4WD system.. My brother have 2008 4runner 4wd. He have to press the button to activate the 4wd . It is not safe. I don't know newer 4runner 4wd are automatic. Honda 4wd system is automatic... you don't have to press any button.

    my pilot mpg on the computer show 22.3 mpg 110 miles driven.. the question is. from using 2nd tank chevron 87? car is broke in ( 5600 miles), or computer learn my driven techniques?

    the answer is ??
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    "my pilot mpg on the computer show 22.3 mpg 110 miles driven.. the question is. from using 2nd tank chevron 87? car is broke in ( 5600 miles), or computer learn my driven techniques?"

    Some people believe the modern vehicle's engine and drive train takes 10K-20K miles to "Break In" completely, and MPG will increase accordingly. Others believe the "Break In" is pretty much done by 5K miles, and MPG doesn't improve much after that.

    I believe our 03 Pilot's transmission controls had the ability to learn and relearn my driving style and shift accordingly. This '09 Ridgeline seems to have a mind of it's own and do what the heck it wishes. I don't know how the newer Pilots are programed.

    FWIW our Ridgeline's mileage display seems to always be 5/10ths to 7/10ths miles per gallon optimistic at fill up time. Yesterday was typical. Display showed something like 19.3 mpg for the tank. Hand calculation revealed more like 18.7 mpg. Most of the miles driven on that tank were 4-6 mile trips with cold engine starts. There was one round trip of about 65 miles that involved stopping at 10 or so traffic lights and about 40 miles of freeway driving at 60 mph. Traffic was lite and moving well.

    Kip
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    I always beat EPA estimate with my 2006 camry v6.. I know I can do the same for the pilot.. hopefully after 1st oil change, tire psi 32, chevron 87 will achieve 22-24 mpg.

    does elevation affect milage on the pilot?.. I am usually on elevation 5700 - 9000 ft.
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    hi kipk, I just want to let you know don't use automatic car wash.. I wash my pilot with automaic car wash. the paint came out, and you can see the chips... so no auto car wash.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    >"does elevation affect milage on the pilot?.. I am usually on elevation 5700 - 9000 ft."

    Driving in extremely hilly conditions, such as in the mountains can drag down mileage., But I don't know how or if relatively flat terrain at various elevation affects mileage.

    Maybe someone with such knowledge can let us know.

    Kip
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Higher elevation means thinner oxygen and less available power. I'd assume the ECM adjusts fuel down just like when an air filter is dirty and clogged, restricting airflow. It doesn't necessarily hurt mileage so much as available power.

    That said, the denser air of sea-level will be easier on the engine than more than a mile up there, and I'd expect that mileage likely suffers a bit only because you have to open the throttle more to get the same acceleration as you would at lower level.
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