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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I suppose phd's beef is that because his Camry doesn't get better than the high 20s, he's very skeptical that others can do better. But I agree that refilling short by 1 to 4 gallons is exaggerating. If I refill short by a gallon or so for whatever reason unintentionally, it's immediately apparent on the gas gauge, and I count that particular fuel stop as "not filled" in my records.

    The corollary for him is that two consecutive readings aren't enough. You have to take the car on at least a 2,000-mile trip to "smooth out" any inconsistencies in filling the tank.

    Well, how often do people take 2,000 mile trips by car these days? The only exception would be traveling salespeople or commuters who regularly drive very long distances on largely traffic-free highways. The latter has to be rare.

    I wonder if the rental Camrys phd says he tested have all been put through this same regimen (2,000 mile all-highway trips). For one thing, he'd have to immediately top off the fuel tank of each rental as soon as he starts out, because the tank might not "really" be full.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    .....and if his tank isn't "really" full to begin with, then it will appear that he has consumed more gas than he really has, yielding a lower mileage per gallon.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Right, and I'm sure this is common. When I return a rental, I fill up at a cheaper place away from the airport. So when the car is turned in, the gauge still reads "full" but obviously some fuel has been consumed.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    Those super low mpg comments should be taken with a grain of salt. One big giveaway is stating that 55 mph and 65 mph net the same mpg (not possible) and that all mpg numbers are over 5 tanks. 5 tanks consecutive without getting off of the highway is a long way. ;)

    I wound up with an Accord, but the EPA mpg is similar to the Camry. I get way way over 30 mpg. In fact my mpg over 16,000 miles (dozens of tanks) is at 33.5 mpg. My best mpg for one tank is 43.8 (going 520 miles at 60 mph - including a few very small towns). My numbers are calculated by hand and confirmed by a scangauge (which is always within a few percent of the hand calcs).

    I have a 2007 Accord MT with 39 psi tires and 0w-20 synthetic oil.

    I am certain that a Camry can easily get 30 mpg on the highway, and 40 mpg if driven for excellent mileage.
  • dremdrem Posts: 24
    phd,

    I am not sure why you can't get above 26-28 mpg with your Camry, But just for your information, I just completed another road trip to DC area, with a time averaged 66 mph over 322 miles, and got 35.9 mpg. Returning home was a time averaged 67 mph and got 36.3 mpg.

    I don't keep receipts, but I calculate every tankful I use. Whether you believe it or not I always get mileage in this range. Interestingly, but anecdotally, I checked with four other Camry owners and one Accord owner and asked them what their typical highway mileage was...

    #1: '93 4-cyl AT 142,000 miles driving 65-70mph...36-37 mpg
    #2: '04 4 cyl AT 32,000 miles driving 70mph...35-36 mpg
    #3: '97 4-cyl AT 65,000 miles driving 70mph...35-36 mpg
    '97 4-cyl AT 65,000 miles driving 60mph...39-40 mpg
    '97 4-cyl AT 65,000 miles driving 60mph...44 mpg
    #4: '93 6-cyl AT 182,000 miles driving 70mph...31-32 mpg
    #5: '07 4-cyl AT (Accord) 27,000 miles driving 70mph...35-36mpg

    Now mine...

    #1: '99 4-cyl AT 87,000 miles driving at 72mph...36-37 mpg
    driving at 66mph...40 mpg
    driving at 60mph...44 mpg
    #2: '04 4-cyl AT 28,000 miles driving at 72mph...35-36 mpg
    driving at 66mph...40 mpg

    My mileage in NC winters knocks about 2 mpg off my non-highway numbers, but nothing noticeable on highway numbers.

    So it is quite inaccurate to say that a Camry won't possibly get above 28 mpg as many clearly do. It is possible that higher percentages of ethanol will certainly decrease your mileage. A car getting 30 mpg on 0% ethanol would be expected to get about 18 mpg on 100% ethanol, 20 mpg on E85, about 29 on 10% ethanol, etc. This is something to to be taken into account.

    BTW you won't get quite as good mileage on a new rental as the engine hasn't loosened up. All my cars bought new have gained about 2 mph from 0 to ~50,000 miles.

    drem
  • Hey fellow Camry owners! :)

    I will be buying a 08 Camry sometime in the Spring. I'm torn between the V6 and 4cylinder only because the V6 claims to get just about the same as the 4 banger.

    I'm reading everyone's posts and everything is mixed.

    So here's what I gather from you guys....
    ReaL WorLd EPA:

    V6: 28 mpg hwy / 20mpg city
    4cyl: 34 mpg hwy / 24mpg city

    Does that seem about accurate? :P

    I'm also considering getting the XLE 4 cylinder. But if its too expensive maybe I'll just settle for the LE 4 cyl.

    What do you guys think? :)
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I'd get the LE 4-cylinder. If you want the extra doodads, get the XLE 4. If you must have more power (I personally don't think it's necessary), get the V6.
  • I went to a Local Toyoa Dealer lot, and couldn't help but notice that the V6 and 4 cylinder were identical in MPG figures. Both were 22mpg city / 31 mpg hwy

    Did they post up the wrong papers or what?
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Were they both 2008 models? The EPA revised their procedure for 2008 so mileage numbers are lower than they were in 2007 and earlier. You'll definitely get better mileage with the 4 but the actual savings obviously depends on how many miles you drive in a year. At 12,000 miles a year assuming 4 mpg difference and $3 gas, it's only $250 a year savings for the 4.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Imacmil is right about the change in procedure by the EPA for 2008 models.

    The Camry 4 cylinder (automatic or manual) transmission is 21 city, 31 highway

    The V6 (auto only) is 19 city, 28 highway.

    This is the source.
  • I have a 06 SC Solara V6 I am a commuter to be sure
    160 mile per day almost all freeway 405/5 So Cal.
    I average 29.3 mpg putting on just under
    40k in the first year, actually not bad and
    its provides a nice ride in the process
    like the saying goes Give Us Your Two Cents
    and we'll give you change.
    Jim
  • Yah you know what... :D

    I think I'll just get the Camry LE 4cyl. It has all that I need and even a auto adjustable seat. :shades:

    What price should I be fighting for?
    Does 20k sound reasonable for a LE? :confuse:
  • igrigr Posts: 17
    Can't tell you about V6, but my Camry LE, 2004, 4 cyl., automatic is 20-21 MPG in the city and about 29 MPG on the highway. 4 banger seems to be struggling speeding the car up from the full stop (city), but is sufficient on the highway because of the constant speed. Going uphill steep can be challenging too, especially with AC on.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Here's a good resource for you: Camry Prices Paid and Buying Experience.

    Good luck - keep us posted!
  • Hey,

    Thanks Pat!! :) :P :blush:
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    There is no chance the OP "drem" ever got 35 mpg.

    Like many posts, his (#434 on this thread) drives a bunch of freeway miles, then underfills on the fillup.

    Look at the post. He says he went 322 miles. Gives me pause to wonder, well, if this is such great mileage, why do you need to fill up? According to the post, there were instances in which people are getting an alleged 35-40 mpg on this car. That means they should be able to pull say 35 X 18.5 miles (647 miles) and not need a fill up. Know anyone who has gotten 650 miles on a single tank on their camry? I don't. how about 600. Nope. 550. Nope again. How about checking this entire sub-forum? 400+ posts - how many report 650 miles. none. not even 600. not a one.

    Know why? Because as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, if "drem" attempts to drive 600 miles without a fillup, his/her tank would be dry. There would be no gas in it. But "drem" says he/she gets 40, so that means "drem" should be able to drive 700 miles without filling up. Never happened, and never will happen.

    Here's my response to the statement "many clearly do" (get better than 28 mpg):

    NO WAY. No one does. No one ever did. It does not happen. Not 40, not 35, not 31, not even 30 mpg as a true pure freeway mileage; and by "true", I don't mean a single tank which has a 2 gallon inaccuracy on the fillup. I mean at least 5 consecutive tankfuls. Go ahead, next road trip, keep your reciepts. Then you can post something. But asking your friends who keep no records, I just don't buy it and neither should anyone else. It's not your driving vs. mine, tire pressure, your car, your maintenance, ethanol, or any other factor.

    BTW, my last two tanks yielded 489 miles on 18.26 gallons (ran nearly dry), and 503 miles on 17.41 gallons. Essentially all freeway.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    "NO WAY. No one does. No one ever did. It does not happen. Not 40, not 35, not 31, not even 30 mpg as a true pure freeway mileage; and by "true", I don't mean a single tank which has a 2 gallon inaccuracy on the fillup. I mean at least 5 consecutive tankfuls."

    My last 4 fill-ups were done at the same pump, driving nearly the same routes. I calculate my mpg as accurate as possible. As soon as the pump stops, I am done (I never add a few extra squirts). I take my "trip B" odometer reading (which I clear out at the gas station after filling), divided by the gallons off the receipt.

    Guess what? Once again, my average is 30.5 mpg, about what I always get on my normal commute. This is a '07 CE manual transmission, using the AC. 35% city, 65% highway (2 lane with a few traffic lights).

    It is a fact you can get 30mpg (maybe more). I am in the finance profession, so I know a little bit about calculating numbers and accuracy! I will calculate a pure highway mpg when the opportunity becomes available.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    So why did you ignore my post -- a cross-country trip with 10 fillups, and not even mostly freeway but rather 2-lane roads, and I still averaged over 30 mpg (post #426)? Also my next post gave my day in/day out mileage from January to September of this year without a single long trip. Still got in the upper 20s overall.

    Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others can't. Either your car isn't right or you're not telling us the whole story about exactly how you drive.

    Keeping receipts in and of themselves mean nothing -- they don't tell you the miles driven since the last fillup, and therefore cannot provide the mpg figures.

    My offer still stands -- temporarily add your e-mail address to your profile and I'll send you my spreadsheets.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You could email him at his carspace address.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    You're right -- forgot about that, and I will do so. Thanks!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    Wow - some serious negativity about the Camry mpg.

    We have one person that does not believe a Camry gets over 30 mpg - ever.

    I will counter that by saying I don't believe that it is possible for a 4-cyl Camry driven at or below the speed limit on a highway trip to get below 30 mpg. In fact I strongly believe that 95% of people who drive the vehicle under those conditions would be hard pressed to get under 35 mpg.

    Just because one person makes a big stink about an issue it does not negate the experiences of everybody else.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Look at the post. He says he went 322 miles. Gives me pause to wonder, well, if this is such great mileage, why do you need to fill up? According to the post, there were instances in which people are getting an alleged 35-40 mpg on this car. That means they should be able to pull say 35 X 18.5 miles (647 miles) and not need a fill up. Know anyone who has gotten 650 miles on a single tank on their camry? I don't. how about 600. Nope. 550. Nope again. How about checking this entire sub-forum? 400+ posts - how many report 650 miles. none. not even 600. not a one.

    This is getting a little silly. You may not need to fill up at 322 miles, but you may want to. As in, if I've already made a stop to take a bathroom break at a gas station, I might want to fill up at the same place if the price is right.

    Also with my 2 Camrys, the "low fuel" light comes on when the gauge is very close to the "empty" mark. If I then drive another 30 or so freeway miles until the gauge reads "empty," I typically find that I can only put in about 15 gallons. The most I've ever put in was just over 16 gallons; my son when in L.A. once put in 17.30 gallons on the '04 when he had the car (I found the receipt in the car later).

    Why would I want to risk running the tank dry just to prove a point? Plus I understand it isn't a good practice to do so because the in-tank fuel pump is cooled by the gasoline surrounding it. Finally, on the cross-country trip through the desolate parts of Nevada and Utah where the signs read "next gas 90 miles" or "next services 83 miles," you don't want to be playing games.

    I just checked over my spreadsheets and I found one trip to Philadelphia and back in the '04 Camry where I filled the tank only once, just short of home, going 544.2 miles and putting in 15.01 gallons, yielding 36.3 mpg. Let's say I "underfilled" the tank by 3 whole gallons -- even that yields 30.2 mpg, and note that I've NEVER let the gauge drop so low that I can put in more than 16+ gallons.

    On the cross-country trip, the longest leg between fill ups was 547.2 miles from Kansas City to Spencer, IN. I put in 15.42 gallons, yielding 35.5 mpg. Again, assuming a liberal 3-gallon underfill (tank would have been essentially dry), the mpg still would have been 29.7.

    My odometer in the '04 is pretty much on the money also (less than 1% error).
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    So when is it that you went 600 miles on one tank?

    Oh, that's right....never.

    3 gallons underfill? you probably underfilled by even more than that for that particular filling because you couldn't stand the thought of finding out what your actual mileage was, so you just shut it off at the first click.

    And if you underfilled by more than 3 gallons, you were essentially running on fumes. 15+ 3 = 18, and the capacity of the tank is 18.5 gallons.

    I suppose you could average things out by posting 5 consecutive tankfuls that yielded 35 mpg....well, where's that post?

    I'll tell you why you can't do it....cause it never happened, that's why.

    And what's this deal about never having to put in more than 16 gallons. What are you afraid of? Would it be, perhaps, running out of gas? Oh no, that couldn't be, because you get 35 miles per gallon. Or is it now 30? Whatever.

    So make my day. Go 600 miles on a single tankful. According to you and the alleged "35 miles per gallon" theory, you should have 1.36 gallons left over - enough for you to go another 47.5 miles.

    As clint once said - do you feel lucky?

    Well do you?
  • Well, we have a 2000 4 cyl Camry that has never gotten 30 mpg on the highway. In city driving it has NEVER averaged over 20 and is usually about 18.5 to 19 in summer and lower in winter by 1 or 2 mpg. We are careful drivers, don't jackrabbit start, try to time lights, etc. Even in mostly freeway and tollway driving it rarely gets even 28, so it is possible to have a Camry that doesn't get 30 on the highway. We asked the dealer about it several times when it was new, and they always said there was nothing they could do; that it checked out normal! It has been disappointing, to say the least.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Now you're getting into the realm of the absurd. I went 544 miles and 547 miles...pretty damn close to 600 miles.

    Why do I want to risk running out of gas? It isn't my idea of fun, and no, I'm not carrying my gas can for my lawn mower in my trunk on long trips.

    3 gallons underfill? you probably underfilled by even more than that for that particular filling because you couldn't stand the thought of finding out what your actual mileage was, so you just shut it off at the first click.

    How do you know what the hell I do? You sound like my mother! I went 544 and 547 miles; why wouldn't I want to find out what I really did in terms of mpg?

    After the first click, I add another 25-35 cents (more lately with higher per gallon prices), stopping at 5, 10, 15... etc. cents. I don't want gas squirting out of the filler neck -- been there and done that!

    Do you want my spreadsheets or not? Sounds like it's not worth the effort because you mind is made up. I wish we could swap cars, but that's not likely since we're on opposite sides of the country.

    And it doesn't matter if you run the tank down to fumes, as long as you make your best effort to fill it the same way each time, at least as closely as possible., as mcdawg above has stated.

    I gave you my 10 consecutive fill ups for the cross-country trip -- and averaged just over 30 mpg. What more do you want?

    I suppose you could average things out by posting 5 consecutive tankfuls that yielded 35 mpg....well, where's that post? No can do, because I don't ordinarily take 3,000-mile long all-freeway trips -- who does these days? Do you?

    And again to clarify -- 30.3 for a cross-country trip with 10 tankfuls under less than optimal conditions; 35 mpg on single tankfuls, which you regard as out of hand, even though in both cases, I went just short of 550 miles on a single tank.

    Even if the tank was BONE DRY in both cases, then for 544 or 547 miles divided by 18.5 gallons, the mpg would be 29.4 and 29.6 mpg. Or are you going to say my odometer is off or the gas pumps were miscalibrated?

    For someone presumably with a Ph.D., I find it odd that you can't comprehend this!

    Do I feel lucky? Silly question. I'm quite happy with the gas mileage of my '04 Camry, and if you don't believe it, too bad!
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    210,

    Give up on him, don't waste any energy on him...just ignore his posts. Let him believe whatever he wants to.

    I gave up when he indicated I didn't know how to calculate mpg. I'm an engineer and have been tracking mileage (verified w/gps), and calculating mpg longer than he's probably been out of diapers. I've had some vehicles where I tracked every gallon put into them for the 10+year life of the vehicle, when I had a business and tax reason to do so. His assertions are absurd.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    You're right; I'm getting too wrapped up in this. Thanks for the reality check.

    I've been keeping mpg logs since I bought my first car in 1975 (still have them somewhere in the house).
  • I've only been keeping logs since 86. Rats.

    4600 miles roundtrip to a shuttle launch last week. Denver to Pennsylvania to Florida to Houston to Denver. Trip average on 2007 CE, 2.4L 2AZ-FE with 5 speed manual, occasional A/C, 75-80mph everywhere I could get away with it, 2 adults and their junk, 35.2mpg

    Lows of 32.5 and highs of 38.4. 35.2 is the trip average. I was hoping for 38+ if I went slow, but never really had the chance to go slow.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Good, but phd doesn't believe any Camry owners really have manual transmissions. ;)
  • "NO WAY. No one does. No one ever did. It does not happen. Not 40, not 35, not 31, not even 30 mpg as a true pure freeway mileage; and by "true", I don't mean a single tank which has a 2 gallon inaccuracy on the fillup. I mean at least 5 consecutive tankfuls. Go ahead, next road trip, keep your reciepts. Then you can post something"

    Why would you say this? I can crack 500 miles on a tank and still have more than 1/4 tank remaining. Just did 4600 miles with a 35+ AVERAGE for the entire trip. I was actually hoping for more, based on my experience with my 05 LE 5sp AT, I hit 36+ on that one on slow secondaries back east during a family trip to the beach. I figured the 5sp manual was good for at least 2mpg, and it is better, particularly around town, but not as good as I had hoped on a trip.

    I was only doing 70-80mph most of the time, I still expect to get honest 37-38mpg if I could run an entire trip in the 55-60mph range.
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