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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ...5-spd manual. Between the two Californias - using I-5 - 32 has been the usual number since 5/2000. Lately, another white coupe - with one more gear to offer - has been seen in my garage.

    Using the approach noted in previous posts - slowing to 65 - MPG has indeed climbed above 32 on the newer coupe. Hard looks, flip-offs and abrupt cut-ins nonwithstanding, it's a sign of the times................

    best, ez.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Drive to and from Pittsburgh from central Virginia, on interstates and 2-lane back roads, max 70 mph (permitted in West Virginia): 31 mpg to Pgh, and 32 mpg on return trip (filled up 80 miles from home).

    On a stretch of I-70 in western MD on the way home, I had the cruise set at 65 mph in the right lane, and a steady parade of vehicles, almost nose to tail, passed on by in the left lane going at least 80.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    "...a steady parade of vehicles, almost nose to tail, passed on by in the left lane going at least 80."

    The morons were probably in a hurry to get to the next filling station before they ran out of gas. ;)
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    Purchased my Camry about 2 months ago. Great car, 3rd Camry I've owned. Previously had a 92 and a 89.

    Just filled up today;
    - 265 Miles
    - 14 Gallons
    - 18.93 mpg

    99% city driving, currently have 1300 miles on the car. Best mileage to date was 27.5, mix of 50/50 city/hwy driving.

    Hopefully mileage will improve as car breaks in. I drove it very carefully first 1000 miles, just as the manual directed. Still drive it easy as I baby my cars to try and make them last a long time.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    You can't get a realistic picture of the mileage on one tankful. Keep track for 4 or 5 tankfuls and see what it is. FWIW, I'm getting 18-20 around town with my 3.3 liter V6 so I would expect the 4 to do at least low 20s.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    I have checked the mileage every time I've filled up ... which has probably been only 5-6 fillups since purchase. Mileage in city has consistently been between 18-20 mpg. I live in DC so probably some of most severe city driving conditions ... couple that with many short trips (less than 2 miles) and I don't really expect to see EPA on most of my city driving. Hopefully mileage will improve to at least 20+ on average.
  • Well I'm pretty disappointed in my Camry's fuel economy after a year and 12,000 miles. Not evan as good as the 97 Taurus V6 it replaced. Same drivers (both prudent), same routes, here are the results:
    Taurus_____Camry
    Mixed suburban driving: 24 ______24
    Steady highway, speed limit 31 ______28

    So we went from a smooth, quiet, quick (more torque) V6 to a surprisingly noisy, buzzy 4, and buy more gas! Doesn't seem right, considering the Toyota reputation.

    And the engine noise surprises me - this is the loaded model, so I would expect it to be quieter. I don't remember either of the Honda Civics I used to own making as much buzz.

    BTW, in an earlier post, a guy stated he was getting XX mpg over the life of his Camry, as reported by his in-dash trip meter. If his meter is as optimistic as mine, no wonder his figures look so good. Gas mileage has to be figured at fill up time, with a calculator. My trip meter shows I'm averaging around 30 mpg ,which is a joke.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    11/13/2005;
    - 297 Miles
    - 13.78 Gallons
    - 21.55 mpg

    Approximately 90/10 city/highway miles. Was off a bit on last reported total mileage, currently have 1632 miles on car. Best mileage to date was 27.5, mix of 50/50 city/hwy driving.

    Plan on changing the oil in a week or two. Will run new oil to 5000 miles, change again, and then stick with 5000 mile/6 month interval.
  • My 06 4-Cyl SE has now 2200 miles and I consistently got about 26-28 actual miles on mixed driving (about 50/50 highway/city). The mileage is calculated based on trip-meter readings divided by the no. of gallons during refills. I have not yet gone on all highway driving.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    11/25/2005:
    - 314 Miles
    - 15.98 Gallons
    - 19.65 mpg

    Approximately 95/5 city/highway miles.

    Changed the oil at 1820 miles; Mobil 7500 semi-synthetic 5w-30 and a WIX 51396 oil filter.
  • 23 mpg. local/freeway: 50/50.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Maybe my V6 mileage isn't so bad after all. I averaged over 22 mpg for the first 4000 miles with a 60/40 city/highway mix.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    Urban driving is a fuel mileage killer - near constant throttle changes and zero mpg while stopped at traffic lights Add to that the fact that the fact that the torque converter is maximally "slipping" since each startup necessitates accelerating the entire mass of the car and passenger(s) from dead stop inertia. You'll find out just how efficient that Toyota V6 can be when you run a several hundred mile trip at 70-75mph over relatively level terrain. Expect a pleasant surprise once the engine is allowed to loaf in overdrive at around 2,500 RPM at a near constant throttle opening and the transmission's torque converter is mechanically locked to crankshaft speed at constant speeds above 40 mph. Add to that the efficiency of only needing to maintain the car's momentum.
  • I am getting above 30-31 MPG 70% city 30% highway driving with less than 4k miles in my ODO and I still have the original oil since vehicle purchase. As an FYI, I do believe the original oil has special additives to break the engine... so keep it and change it with no fear at 5000 miles or less.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    12/08/2005:
    - 289.4 Miles
    - 13.15 Gallons
    - 22.00 mpg

    Approximately 95/5 city/highway miles.

    Total miles on car; 2235. Mileage seems to be improving as the engine breaks-in.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    There was a time - 40 years ago and earlier - when a special light viscosity oil (around "10" viscosity) was used to aid break-in of new engines, and was intended to be changed out to "30" viscosity motor oil no later than at the completion of the first 500 miles. But that was a time when computer numeric controlled machining wasn't even a pipe dream yet. Now with CNC machining and micropolishing of billets in combined steps at one machining stage, the unprecedented sample-to-sample precision elliminates the need for specialized break-in oils. (There's still final run-in "seating" taking place between sliding parts, but no where nearly the amount of wear metals are generated as were previously.) What is special during factory assembly is the use of high-molybdenum content assembly lubes at key bearing locations to minimize initial startup stress until oil pressure builds to supply oil to these areas. Honda is known to practice this technique, though I'd be surprised to have it verified they're alone in it. These goos quickly dissolve in the engine oil and provide added general protection during break-in - which most auto manufacturers indicate is adequately accomplished by 500 or 600 miles. (Hyundai and Kia recommend 55 mph reduced highway speeds for a full 1,200 miles. Trust me, it was torture.) The actual factory-fill oil is the same 5W-30 (or 5W-20 as used in some makes) API "SM"/ILSAC "GF-4" oil you can buy over the counter under various blender names. Though not identical, all motor oils meeting those industry standards are equivalent in use over the recommended oil change intervals. Since these are multi-viscosity motor oils, they easily meet the needs of cold and hot weather driving conditions in most circumstances without the need to change viscosity "weights" seasonally. The combination of high molybdenum content assembly goo and modern standard motor oils allow running the factory fill motor oil the full normal oil change. But, though considerably reduced from times past, wear metals are still highest during the first 500 - 600 miles. If you intend to keep the car a long while, the smart money is to "treat" your new ride to its first oil and filter change at about 600 miles. Though the engine builders make every reasonable effort to thoroughly rinse machined parts, some crud inevitably remains behind. The oil filter simply doesn't catch all the leftover factory flashings, sand-cast grit, and initial wear metals. I admit to some anality in the matter, but I'd rather get this crap out of circulation (literally!) sooner rather than later. Really, folks, what's ONE extra oil and filter change (less expense than one fuel fill-up) in the life of the car's overall expenses?
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    Very well stated haefr. This is exactly why I decided to change my Toyota's factory fill early at 1800 miles. Not quite as early as you recommend, but still earlier than the 5000 miles recommended by Toyota.
  • I have been taking records of the gas and milage ever since I bought this vehicle 3 weeks ago. The latest gas milage is 24.76 mpg. The thing is, the trip computer shows a 28.8 mpg. Is the manufacturer playing a trick here?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Do you reset the trip computer when you put in gas? If you even wait for a few miles it will throw the reading off. My toyota computer seems spot on - sometimes a shade lower than my calcs, and sometimes a shade higher.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    My wife's Highlander trip computer is almost always exactly 1 mpg more than my calculations.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    12/19/2005:
    - 318 Miles
    - 14.77 Gallons
    - 21.53 mpg

    Approximately 60/40 city/highway miles.

    Total miles on car; 2554. Curious that gas mileage actually went down from the last report, even with a significant increase in highway miles. The weather has been colder lately, translating into longer warmup times for car which leads to decreased mileage ... this could partially explain the discrepancy. Camry still breaking in ... I hope to average 25 mpg city and 34+ mpg highway once I reach 7500 miles on the odometer (+/- 2500 miles).
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    932 miles (odometer 5800 to 6700), late October to today, 90% city driving, 18.4 mpg. Weather has been very cold (today's high was 10 F.) all this month. That's down 1-1.5 mpg from summer.
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    My last tank is 18.1 (290 miles on 16 gallons), 20% freeway; there are now 17,800 miles on the vehicle.

    Last winter the mileage declined as well.

    Also, I wanted to follow up on dealer response to my inquiries about the MPG this past september. I succeeded in making a second appointment with the original dealer whom I bought the car from to have the mileage checked (the first time, after about 2 months and ~6 tankfuls, they didn't even turn on the ignition during the analysis, the car was returned to me with a report that says "no error codes stored").

    For the second check, I called Toyota regional customer service center, who had a representative and a service advisor from the dealer call me; the service advisor offered to schedule a time for a Toyota factory technician to be present during the inspection. This was to be about 3 or 4 weeks in the future. Two days before the car was to be brought in, the service advisor called me to cancel the appointment because of my "strong words" and I should take my business elsewhere (I hadn't spoken to him at all since the appointment was set). I informed him we had not spoken, that he was simply not honoring what was agreed.

    After reporting the matter to Toyota's regional customer service center, they set me up with another dealer, but did not arrange a Toyota representative to be present. I gave them copies of every gas reciept since the car was purchased, and a log of the mileage kept (see my earlier post for mpg ~17-18 pure city, 26-28 pure highway).

    Judging from the odometer, the second dealer did actually drive the car ~50 miles. They reported to me they couldn't find anything wrong, and showed me what was largely computer printouts. They did not allow me to review the technician's notes, even though the cover page said "fuel consumption test not completed".

    I took their loaner, a 2005 camry, for a 2 hour test drive on 80+% freeway, and it seemed to use as much or more gas than my 2004, (23.8 mpg).

    For my next new car, I will take a rental of same for a 400 mile gas consumption test before slapping down another 20K on another guzzling camry based on sales claims.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    How fast are you driving on the highway?
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    That and what kind of terrain, too?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I'm about 3/4ths of the way through an L.A. to Virginia cross-country trip -- 3 people, car fairly heavily loaded.

    Gas mileage has gradually improved from about 29 to 35 mpg, due I suppose to 4 factors as we moved east -- warmer temps, lower altitudes, flatter terrain, and lower speeds. Most interesting. This is a 2004 Camry 4-cyl. with the 4-speed auto. Start miles was just over 29,000.

    I'll follow up with more details when I get home.
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    freeway speed: 65 mph
    terrain: flat
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Under those conditions the Camry should be getting better mileage. My Sienna does better than that at that speed.
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    "Camry still breaking in ... I hope to average 25 mpg city and 34+ mpg highway once I reach 7500 miles on the odometer (+/- 2500 miles). "

    IMO, no chance of that, so don't keep your hopes up, guill. I did an extensive search of all of the posts of MPG on this website and found that those who boasted 30+ mpg invariably did so based on a single tankful (which I attribute to an incomplete fillup) instead of a series (continuous fillups and odometer records) or a "computer" readout, with some providing so little data that I wondered if it wasn't just a "guess".

    Of those that reported a series, only one party reported as much as 28 mpg (all others lower), that was in the 2004 4-speed; he got reduced mileage in a newer 2005 5-speed automatic he bought subsequently. As I recall, he lives in a rural area with little, if any true, city driving. He reported ~30+ mpg once in a series of two tankfuls at 100% freeway. Expectations of routine 34 mpg fuel economy on this car are not only unreasonable, they just don't (and likely won't) happen. Even I have got one 30+ mpg tankful. But on a routine basis, NO.

    My guess is you will do NO MORE than 17 and 26 in the long term, which your 21.5 on a 60/40 would put you right in the middle.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Yikes - just because one or two people get bad mileage does not mean everybody does.

    Look at Consumer reports to see real world accurately measured highway mileage for a Camry. It is well over 30 (don't have it infront of me. They even got 33 mpg with the Avalon.

    If my 6 cyl Sienna at 4,200 lbs gets 28 mpg at 65 a 4-cyl Camry weighing 3,200 lbs can certainly do much better.
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