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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • dremdrem Posts: 24
    Whoa! I recemtly got back from another trip to PA and tuned in on the board to see couple dozen new messages.

    Phd, just for your info, the trip up was 509 miles consuming 14.3 gallons for a 35.6 mpg trip. Returning was 505 miles consuming 14.5 gallons for a 34.8 mpg trip. Both were non-stop trips at a cruise of 72 for the majority of the drive. I had some good rain for a couple hours coming back.

    Despite the fact that this is 'impossible' for this to occur, this is ALWAYS the situation with my 4 cyl AT Camry. I have never had worse than 32 mpg on an equivalent highway trip and that ONE instance was fighting a 20mph head wind for 2 hours. Otherwise it is 35-37 mpg nearly 100% of the time.

    My longest trip recently was a trip to Ocala FL. 540 miles using 15.0 gallons for a 36.0 mpg trip.

    In a couple weeks I may take a trip to PA, again. This time I will not fill up until I feel I am running excessively low on fuel. In this case you will likely experience a Camry with a 600+ mile run...but still getting ~36 mpg.

    So believe what you want. Stay long and wrong for as long as you want. I will continue to enjoy the benefits of a high MPG Camry.

    Regards!

    Drem
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    Really. Cars stalling out with under 1.5-2 gallons. I can't use 18 gallons (or, according to you, 17 gallons). Is that so? Yes, there is a way. I do it all the time; every time, recently. That's right, high 17+ to low 18+. Did 18+ two tanks ago; did high 17 after that. I've used up a bunch of gas, but I never stalled, and never ran out. Not once. Not in 44,000+ miles.

    Folks - I think we have found PHD's problem!!!! He runs his tank dry and sucks up all the dirt and crud on the bottom right into the engine and fuel system. This in turn totally screws up his emission system causing his car to run rich, thus resulting in such poor MPG.

    Oh, and from any Toyota (or any other manufacturer's) owner's manual: "DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AFTER THE LOW FUEL INDICATOR LIGHT IS ON. REFUEL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE".
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Yeah, I thought running the tank almost dry was bad for today's cars with their sophisticated computer and emission controls plus fuel injection. Don't you risk having the "check engine" light come on under such conditions also?

    As I said before, I've never put more than 16+ gallons in either Camry, but my son did one fill up showing 17.30 gallons!
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    in response to #494:

    Quote: "Folks - I think we have found PHD's problem!!!! He runs his tank dry and sucks up all the dirt and crud on the bottom right into the engine and fuel system. This in turn totally screws up his emission system causing his car to run rich, thus resulting in such poor MPG.

    Oh, and from any Toyota (or any other manufacturer's) owner's manual: "DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AFTER THE LOW FUEL INDICATOR LIGHT IS ON. REFUEL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE". " Unquote.

    Hello! McFly! what do you think there is between a fuel tank and an injection system. That shiny metal thing. Yeah. Its called a "fuel filter". If you have any proof of any kind, in any reference or study, that running a car low on gas causes a hint of damage or adverse change in fuel economy, then post it. You must have some study that proves that doing so makes a car "run rich". Well, where is it? If you can't respond, I'll post that in the category of more misleading webchat. Not that anyone believed you in the first place; I sure didn't.

    And, oh, does this latest theory mean you have you given up on your previous theory that it is impossible to run a car below 1.5-2 gallons?

    And oh again, your citation to the owner's manual (i.e., "DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AFTER THE LOW FUEL INDICATOR LIGHT IS ON...". )

    ....is simply not what the owner's manual says....

    It's not there. At all. I have it in front of me.

    It says the following (in entirety, page 115, 2004 owner's manual, toyota camry):

    "The light comes on when the fuel level in the tank becomes nearly empty. Fill up the tank as soon as possible.

    On inclines or curves, due to the movement of fuel in the tank, the low fuel level warning light may come on earlier than usual"
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Great post. I will be very happy (but not surprised) to see you hit that impossible 600+ miles per tank.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    We all need to drop the sarcasm. And we all need to stop picking apart each others' posts.

    As I said just a few posts ago, the purpose of this discussion is for everyone to report the mileage they are seeing. Feel free to believe what's posted or not, but we need to stop going after each other.
  • Mileage on the camry, whether it be 2004, 2005, 2006, or 2007, all in the automatic transmission - get ~26-28 mpg in freeway driving. Not more. Not 29, and not 30 mpg, and not 35 mpg. Not in the "real world" which this subforum is supposed to be about.

    Sorry PhD but you are wrong. I also owned a 2005 LE with auto, 33mpg at high speed, 35-36 mpg at low speeds, driving between Denver and Ocean City. The 33 mpg was on a sprint through Wyoming, and I just couldn't keep it under 90.

    I also owned a 94 LE with auto and V6. 3 adults, 1 kid, back east speeds and it was good for 31-32 mpg.

    So as a point of fact, EVERY Camry I've ever owned has done better than 30mpg on the highway, stick or auto.

    Why does this bother you so much?
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "A Camry will easily get 30 mpg - even a V-6, even with an automatic."

    That's a bit of a stretch unless you're driving 55mph. At normal highway speeds (70 +/- 5mph), I have never gotten better than 28.5 on a single tank on my 2005 3.3 liter. I averaged 27.5 mpg on a 2500 mile trip using premium and mid-grade. On regular, I rarely break 26 mpg.

    I do agree that low 30s is easily attainable with a 4 cyl.
  • Would 30 mpg be possible as a top end? Maybe, rarely. But is it possible as an average "real world mpg" for freeway driving. No. What do you think you are dealing with? It's a fuel-based machine.

    I just did it for 4600 miles. So not only is it possible, its EXPECTED. I'm betting I can do better if I kept the speed down to say 60-65mph as well.

    I would also mention that this mileage was for the entire trip, in other words, fill up at pump, drive 4600 miles keeping track of every gallon, come back to same pump, fill up tank, divide TOTAL mileage by TOTAL gallons. No issues with outliers, error per tank doesn't matter, rather than a max error of 2gal/18gal on a misfill ( 11% ) you have at most 2gal/130gal ( 1.5% ). All your fillup issues simply go away.

    As I stated previously, this is Camry #3, the other 2 were auto's, and the 2005 was nearly as good as my 07. Better looking too. So, in this crazy world, 100% of the Camrys I have owned do THE IMPOSSSIBLE!!!! Its great to be exceptional.. :shades:
  • I do agree that 30 mpg is an outlier - on the low end. If you only get 30 mpg on the highway with a 4-cyl Camry something is wrong.

    You got that right. I tried a half tank at 90+ once just to see what would happen in my 05, 32-33mpg. ( 2 adults, 2 kids, 3 days vacation gear, no A/C )

    To be perfectly honest, the stick doesn't seem to return that much noticablely better mileage on the highway than the 05 auto. Both 2AZ-FE motors. I get a fair amount better around town ( 26/manual versus 24/auto ) but so far I can't claim that the stick has been a guarenteed extra 1-2-3 highway mpg.
  • I do agree that low 30s is easily attainable with a 4 cyl.

    I would go further, and say that if you CAN'T get low-30's with a Camry 4cylinder ( OEM, well maintained, <80mph cruising ), something is wrong with it.
  • 08 V6 LE Auto bought Oct 27 in Maryland. On drive back to Colorado at speed limit in each state I got no lower than 28.5 mpg and as high as 30.3. Was surprised that on jaunt across Kansas fighting a 35 mph crosswind/headwind, it still got over 29 mpg. Power is awesome, especially in the midwest at low elevation. I'm impressed!
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    I get 26-28 mpg pure freeway on my 2004 AT, and tested each subsequent year since for mpg. The 2005-2007 AT did get a little lower mpg on pure freeway, despite their 5 speed transmission. The 2007 got the worst mpg (under 25 mpg)for pure freeway, and that was a case in which I made consecutive long road trips with my 2004 on the same route (which got within the 26-28 mpg already mentioned).

    I was annoyed by the bright night-time radio display, which made me wonder how many people complained (after they bought the car), and whether Toyota had offered any sort of fix for it. I'm not sure what was up with this; perhaps an artefact of the attempt to brighten up the display for sunny day driving (or with sunglasses, which the 2004-2006 displays were nearly impossible to read). All in all, one would have thought they would have had a consumer test drive of the redesigned car at night, before mass-producing it with this display. In any case, this is one thing that consumers should consider before the purchase. It's a show-stopper for me.

    Overall, not a very safe nor economical mpg vehicle. Although Boston doesn't have to wait till next year anymore, Toyota does.
  • "The 2007 got the worst mpg (under 25 mpg)for pure freeway, and that was a case in which I made consecutive long road trips with my 2004 on the same route (which got within the 26-28 mpg already mentioned)."

    This is really unfortunate. Any chance of something mechanical being wrong with it? Dirt in the wheel bearings, clogged intake, blown O2 sensor? Aftermarket air filter? Any chance your average travel speed is like 110mph? I realize that sounds silly, but a number of us are having pretty decent luck with the things, snaring 32-35mpg without even really trying hard.

    For goodness sake, my around town, purely commuting tank was 26 mpg. To date, in 9000 miles, its the only data point I have for around town, I bought the car for trips, not commuting.

    If I got 26 mpg on the highway I'd be pretty steamed at Toyota as well.
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    "This is really unfortunate. Any chance of something mechanical being wrong with it? Dirt in the wheel bearings, clogged intake, blown O2 sensor? Aftermarket air filter? Any chance your average travel speed is like 110mph?"

    No chance at all of that. It was an older rental from the dealer. ~at least 8,000 miles on it. Average speed was right on 65 mph. No wind.

    I've tested enough of these cars to know what to expect. For those who follow my posts, I think all the cars get pretty much the same; what varies is how accurately and consistently different people track their mileage.

    It should be interesting, at least to me, to see what I come up with on the 2008.

    To reiterate - you don't have to believe me, or anyone else - take the car out as a rental for a nice long trip before you buy it for fuel economy. If it flunks your standards, it will be alot cheaper to return and not buy than trade it in on a hybrid.
  • "This is really unfortunate. Any chance of something mechanical being wrong with it?"

    "No. I've tested enough of these cars to know what to expect. For those who follow my posts, I think all the cars get pretty much the same; what varies is how accurately and consistently different people track their mileage."


    I have no beef with the basic concept that some people really don't know how to calculate mileage, and you'll have to take my word for this, but I ain't them.

    Back in the old days, I would use a pulloff on the TransCanadian highway to change the oil on my truck just because the odo had rolled over another 3000 miles. When it was -20F outside. And while I'm not quite that anal anymore, I am rather particular about my fuel mileage. To me, a 26 mpg Camry is broken.


    To reiterate - you don't have to believe me, or anyone else - take the car out as a rental for a nice long trip before you buy it for fuel economy. If it flunks your standards, it will be alot cheaper to return and not buy than trade it in on a hybrid.

    You know, in some million mles of driving the only machine I've ever been disappointed in was the wife's 2001 Mazda MPV. On that thing, I got EXACTLY what the EPA sticker said. I can usually whoop the EPA by at least a few %, sometimes as much as 10%. But not that van.

    But 26mpg on a Camry on the highway? Man, I would be steamed. Both of my 4.6L V8 Mustang GT's would do 28-29mpg on the highway, if I couldn't beat that with most any Camry I'd be writing letters, start an internet forum to complain, throwing rocks through dealers windows, the whole enchilada.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Just filled up, 415.2 miles, 13.32 gallons = 31.17 mpg. This is at the same pump, '07 Camry 5 speed manual. Normal commute is part city (35%) the rest is 2 lane highway with traffic lights. I still had plenty of fuel left, but the gas price dropped today, so I filled up. I am satisfied with my results.
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    Just filled up:

    457 miles, 16.9 gallons = 27.0 mpg. 85% + freeway. This is the same pump, 04 Camry AT. I don't do hardly any commute driving, as I live 3 miles from work, and have two cars that I alternate. The rest is constant speed (65 mph, maximum use of cruise control) interstate or two lane highway with minimal traffic lights or stop lights. I did not have plenty of fuel left, but the low fuel indicator had been on for a little while, the gas price went up 13 cents since my last fillup, so I filled up. I am satisfied with my calculation, although it is only a single fill up calculation and subject to variation due to differences in fill level upon fill-up.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Just a note, the fill-up prior to the one on 11/8 was on 10/25, and the average was 30.51 mpg (451.5 miles, 14.8 gallons).

    My commutes are 38 miles round trip, and I seldom have any trips under 4 miles. If I did, it would drop my MPG due to start-up inefficiencies.
  • I am incredibly steamed at my Toyota. I own a 2007 4cyl automatic SE. On a pure highway trip, with my kids in the back, not exceeding 80 mph I got 22 mpg. And that is the best i have ever gotten. Normal average is 19 mpg. I have been tracking it ever since i bought the car 18 months ago. I have taken it in 5 times. My car is "capable of achieving the mileage stated." The dealer cannot achieve it but the car is supposedly capable. I have no idea what to do. I have had 2 toyota's previously. Prior to seeing this thread I thought i was the only one. However my case appears to be worse. I live in sunny california so not too hot not to cold. Not very hilly, not super flat. Highway trip was san diego to phoenix.

    Ugh. :cry: :mad:
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