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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • I just leased a brand new 2010 Camry LE and I want to get the "most" and the "maximum" fuel economy out of my car. I drive very conservatively and I do NOT race or abuse the car while driving it. This will be my point A to point B car for the next 3 years until my lease is up in December of 2013.

    I am looking to try to get an average of 30 to 31 MPG fuel economy on my Camry LE. I see that a lot of people do not get that type of mileage and that they get in the mid or upper 20's in MPG fuel economy in their new 2010 Camrys.

    When I received my new 2010 Camry LE on the 15th of December it came with a full tank of gas in it, but the needle on the gas gauge was "exactly" on the "F" LINE.

    Well, I just filled the tank in my brand new 2010 Camry LE for the 1st time today with regular 87 octane fuel and when I did the mileage per gallon (MPG) calculation it showed that my Camry LE only got 18.17 MPG on its very first tank of gas. I had exactly 4 gallons left in the tank before filling up the car with gas again today.

    I went 264 miles and I put 14.53 gallons of gasoline in the tank (264 miles/14.53 Gallons = 18.17 MPG).
    I have driven the car on the highway 2/3 of the time since I've owned it and I haven't gone over 65 and 68 MPH. I have also been varying my speed to below 60 MPH while on the highway. I have been driving the car "very gently".

    WHY am I getting only 18 MPG on my very first tank of gas? Is anything wrong with my car? Does my new 2010 Camry LE need to be broken in more before I see decent gas mileage on it? Why am I getting such low gas mileage on my car? Does anybody here know? I live up here in the Northeast and I want to try to get 30 MPG fuel economy on my new Camry if I can. Why did my new 2010 Camry only get 18 MPG on its first tank of gas? What's wrong?
  • I have the 2.5L, 4 cylinder automatic in my 2010 Camry LE by the way.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    You cannot base your mpg on the first fuel-up. #1 you don't know if the tank was full or not - basing it on the fuel gauge is NOT accurate. #2 - the car was probably taken on many short trips and lots of idling at the dealer, which is ZERO miles per gallon. There is nothing wrong, enjoy your new car. Don't worry, just take it to the same pump, when it clicks off, then look at how many gallons you put in. Then take the number of miles since the last fuel up, and divide that by the gallons. Now do that at least 3 times to get a better overall average (add the 3 overall miles and 3 overall gallons put in and divide).
  • Just so you know, the 2010 Camry LE, 2.5L automatic which I picked from the dealer's lot had ONLY 3 miles on the odometer. It was NEVER driven by anybody else other than the people who delivered the car to the dealership from the factory in Kentucky where the car was manufactured. The dealer had the car on the lot for less than 1 week before I leased it. The only thing that the dealer did to my Camry was prep the car for delivery and also add a full tank of gas to it. When I picked up my new 2010 Camry LE from the dealer it had ONLY 5 miles on the odometer.

    ALSO, the needle on the gas gauge was exactly at the very top "first line" full marker when I took delivery of my new car.

    I have been driving my new 2010 Camry "very gently" since I got it. Just yesterday, I filled the tank up with regular unleaded gasoline and the needle on the gas gauge has gone ALL THE WAY UP beyond and past the letter "F" full marker.

    I still don't know WHY I got ONLY 18 MPG on the first 3/4 tank of gasoline??
    I rechecked the calculations that I did and I am 100% sure that I only got 18 MPG with the 264 miles that I drove in the car.

    Do you think that the MPG fuel economy mileage will get much better during the 2nd gasoline fill-up that I just did? What have other people gotten for fuel economy and gasoline mileage on their first full tank of gas when they picked up their brand new Camry LE, 2.5L automatics??

    I am hoping that my car will start getting 30 MPG very soon. I NEED to be able to get an overall 30 MPG fuel economy in my Camry LE. The biggest reason why I got the Camry LE was because I needed a car that was able to get an overall 30 MPG fuel economy.
    HOW LONG do you think before I start getting 30 MPG fuel economy? Is there a "realistic" time frame before I will get the 30 MPG fuel economy that I am looking for? What do you think? I am starting to worry that I will not get the 30 MPG fuel economy that I want in this particular vehicle.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Again, you cannot count the first tank - you do not know how much it was idling, etc. And no matter what it looked like, you don't know for sure about the actual amount of fuel in the tank. Don't worry about it. I agree - wait until you have at least a few thousand on it. The Camry will give you 30+ mpg IF your driving style, circumstances, environment, etc. support it. Mine does, but I have also seen very low 20s, but it was because of lots of short trips, idling, etc. etc.

    Also, winter blend gasoline cuts 1 or 2 mpg off.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    agreed, depending on the vehicle, sometimes after 2500 miles you can start to get pass the break in but typically you need to give the vehicle to 5k miles till your past the break in period and you can start figuring pretty accurately what the avg mpg is for the car!
  • Okay, I will take your advice.
    I will monitor the fuel consumption for the next 3 to 4 gasoline fill-ups until my car has 1,500 to 2,000+ miles on it. The car currently has only 270 miles on it right now.
    I will drive very conservatively hoping that the gasoline mileage will get better and go up to 30 MPG. I will try to not idle the engine and will try to drive around 60 MPH and under 65 MPH on the highway. Also, I will NOT use the cruise control until the car gets over 2,000+ miles.
    I really need to attain an overall 30 MPG fuel economy on my brand new 2010 Camry LE. I am hoping that my Camry will easily get 30 MPG without any problems once it gets to 2,000 & 3,000 on the engine and transmission. I am trying to be realistic about the gasoline fuel consumption.
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    another factor that affects fuel mileage is seasonal fuel formulation changes..generally you'll get less mileage in winter months...
  • skilauskilau Posts: 26
    Okay, I will bite...
    Why do you NEED it to be at least 30MPG?

    I agree it would be nice to get 30, and depending upon your driving habits, you should be able to get it... But what is so pressing that you absolutely NEED it?

    BTW,
    I hate to bring you down, but I have a 2010 Camry LE V6 with a tad over 5K now, and my best gas milage I have gotten was back on the first couple fills.
    I now get about 350 miles per fillup.
    Lets hope for you that 4 cylinder doesn't act the same way as the V6 version...
  • Okay, I will tell you why I need to get an average of 30 MPG on my 2010 Camry LE.
    It's because I also own a Dodge Charger R/T 5.7L, V8 and the Charger gets between 14 and 16 MPG when driven up here in the northeast in the wintertime. It burns a lot of gasoline.
    I really want to drive and to use the 2010 Camry much more than I use the Charger R/T and I don't want to have to fill the tank up in the Camry as often as I have to fill up the Charger. I basically want to be able to get the most mileage and the most fuel economy from the Camry in order to save money on gasoline and to use the Charger R/T a lot less.
    That's why I really need to get an average of 30 MPG with the 2010 Camry LE. I calculated the driving distance on a full tank of gasoline if I can get 30 MPG on the Camry and it will go over 555 miles on a full tank of gas.
    (18.5 Gallons x 30 MPG = 555 Miles) That's not bad for fuel economy if I can get the Camry to get this type of gasoline mileage.

    Also, I once used to own a 1997 Camry CE with a 2.2L engine that I purchased brand new and I used to get an average of between 30 to 32 MPG with that particular vehicle.
    I am hoping that my 2010 Camry LE will get an average of 30 MPG just like my 1997 Camry did. I am going to drive very conservatively so I can try to get the 30 MPG fuel economy that I want. I don't know if I will get 30 MPG but I am hoping for it.

    If you say that you can only go about 350 miles with a full tank of gasoline with your 2010 XLE V6 Camry then you are only getting an average of 19 MPG fuel economy. That's not very good fuel economy. I am hoping that my 4 cylinder 2.5L automatic will not act the same way like your 3.5L V6 in the fuel economy category. I will be disappointed with my 2010 Camry LE if my car gets below 30 MPG fuel economy. I really want to be able to get the 30 MPG fuel economy in my car. I want to be able to go very long distances on a full tank of gasoline with my Camry (like 555+ miles on a full tank of gasoline). :)
  • skilauskilau Posts: 26
    Nah, mine isn't as bad as that... :)

    I never run myself down to the last few drops of gas.

    My gas light comes on at about 3 gallons left.
    When I fill, I tend to be able to pump exactly 15.5 gallons in.
    That nets me about 22.6 MPG.

    The "combined" milage of the V6 is supposed to be 23 MPG, so I am right about in line...

    Now, you don't want to judge based on my numbers, as I am the exact worst thing you could do to a car.
    I love to jam on the gas "off the gate", and I love to (looking around to see if there are any cops around...) speed... :P

    I suspect if I cooled my jets, I could probably get myself up to 25, but I didn't buy the V6 for gas milage... I would have gotten the Camry Hybrid instead. :P
  • "I still don't know WHY I got ONLY 18 MPG on the first 3/4 tank of gasoline?? "

    Do you think the dealer is really going to give you a full tank of gas? I bet they have figured out how much it takes to show a full tank with the least amount of gas. If they save 1 gallon per car @ $2.60 a gallon it would add up. I have a 08 Toyota and have lost 5 MPG since it has gotten cold. Re formulated gas for the winter + all the oil and grease in your car is cold on start up which means more friction + my mechanic tells me that Toyota's in general will really turn up the fuel mixture in the cold weather. Next tank really watch how much highway driving you are really doing because I don't think there is a camry out there besides the Hybrid that will give you 30MPG with mixed driving in the winter time.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I normally drive an 05 Prius. While mine was in the shop I drove a new 2010 Camry on the same route for 1000 miles. I drove it over the same route that I've been driving my past 2 Camrys ( 97 and 00 ) and my Prius. It's 85% 'Highway' at speeds of 58-63 mph with a little suburban driving at 30 mph.

    In my Prius I've gotten 47.5 mpg over 135000 miles calculated by spreadsheet ( miles driven / gallons pumped ) with every purchase listed. In the past two Camry's over 210,000 miles I averaged about 31 mpg ( not recorded tank by tank ).

    For the 1000 miles I drove the new 2010 Camry I was shocked that I was able to get 36 mpg for the entire 1000 miles ( Highway and City ). What I was shocked most about was that at ~60 mph on the Highway I was easily able to get 38+ mpg without trying anything different than what I normally do in my Prius.

    Caveat...it's never very cold here near the ocean on the E Coast.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    My experience is entirely different. I've owned 4 Camrys since 1989 and now drive a Prius. See post just above. I've found that the new 2010 Camry is way more fuel efficient than my four prior Camrys. On those prior four Camrys I normally drove 30000 to 50000 miles annually. I've put in some seat time in them.
  • "For the 1000 miles I drove the new 2010 Camry I was shocked that I was able to get 36 mpg for the entire 1000 miles ( Highway and City ). What I was shocked most about was that at ~60 mph on the Highway I was easily able to get 38+ mpg without trying anything different than what I normally do in my Prius."

    That's excellent mileage for a 2010 Camry. The 38 MPG that you are getting is more than the MPG fuel mileage that's listed on the sticker on these cars.
  • "I've found that the new 2010 Camry is way more fuel efficient than my four prior Camrys. On those prior four Camrys I normally drove 30000 to 50000 miles annually."

    I'm hoping that the 2010 Camry which I own will also get excellent gasoline mileage just like the one that you drove which that got over 38 MPG. I will be happy even if mine gets 30 ~ 31 MPG. I will not complain if I can get that type of mileage on my 2010 Camry.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    See message # 934. I get 32.5 mpg on my commute.
  • Does the newer 6 speed Automatic transmission that's currently in the new 2010 Camry LE 2.5L give this particular vehicle better gasoline mileage than the older 5 speed automatic transmission that was in the previous 2008 & 2009 Camry LE 2.4L engine? I read somewhere that a 6 speed automatic transmission in a vehicle gives better gasoline mileage than a 5 speed automatic transmission. Is this true or false?
    If it is true, then how does a 6 speed automatic transmission give much better gasoline mileage to a vehicle than a 5 speed automatic transmission? I would like to know.

    Thanks
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Yes, mpg is a little better with the 6 speed - how much EPA difference, I'm not sure, but you could find out with a search here or somewhere on the net. On the highway, the engine runs at a lower rpm due to the extra gear, so that's why you would get better mpg. Around town, you may be getting better due to the extra gear (it keeps the rpms lower by having more gear ratios closer together). The better mpg is also due to the engine. The 2.5 Liter is a newer design, so it is more efficient while also giving better acceleration.

    My experience with the two is I get about 1 to 2 mpg better with the 2010 vs. the 2007 (2007 is the same as the 2008 and 2009).
  • UPDATE on Current Gasoline Mileage:

    I just filled up the tank on my brand new 2010 Camry LE automatic this evening. This is currently my 3rd fill-up NOT including the 1st fill-up of FREE gasoline that the dealer gave to me which was "already" in the gas tank in my Camry when I picked up my car on December 12th. During the 1st FREE gasoline fill-up that the dealer did for me, the dealer ONLY filled up my car ONLY up to the "LAST" full needle marker on the gas gauge. Just so you know, the dealer did NOT fill up the tank up to the "F" mark on the day that I picked up my car. Instead, the gasoline gauge needle was exactly on the top needle marker when I picked up my car from the dealer.

    I drove the car just like I got it from the dealer and when the gasoline gauge needle went on "E" on empty, I ended up filling up the tank with a "Full" tank of gasoline this time around about 1 week after getting my Camry (which was sometime last weekend).
    So basically, tonight's gasoline fill-up is the 2nd fill-up with a "full" tank of gasoline that I got all by myself since I picked up and got my car from the dealer.

    Before I filled up the tank this evening, the gas gauge needle was past the "last" empty line and it was almost at the "E" marker.
    After I filled the tank tonight, the "first" click where the gas pump stopped at was at exactly 16.503 gallons.
    What I did after the gas pump stopped was I pressed the gas pump handle and filled the tank up a little more with gasoline for a total of 4 more "clicks" (5 "clicks" total). In other words, the gas pump handle clicked for a total of 5 times until it stopped at the 18.09 gallon mark.

    At the 1st "click" the gas pump stopped at exactly 16.503 gallons. Then at the 2nd "click" the gas pump stopped at 16.8 gallons. Then at the 3rd "click" the gas pump stopped at 17.0 gallons. Then at the 4th click it stopped exactly at 17.5 gallons. Then lastly, at the 5th "click" the gas pump stopped at exactly 18.09 gallons.

    If I do all the calculations regarding the MPG gas mileage for my Camry I get 6 different gas mileage figures. Each MPG mileage is:

    1. If I use 444.4 miles/ 16.503 = 26.928 MPG

    2. If I use the 444.4 miles/16.8 gallons = 26.452 MPG

    3. If I use the 444.4 miles/17.0 gallons = 26.141 MPG

    4. If I use the 444.4 miles/17.5 gallons = 25.394 MPG

    5. If I use the 444.4 miles/18.09 gallons = 24.5660 MPG

    I would like to know exactly which one of the 5 "clicks" that I made at the gasoline pump is the "true" and "exact" MPG fuel economy for my new 2010 Camry LE for this 2nd "full" tank of gasoline that I put in my car and just burned?
    Does anybody in here know?

    ALSO, don't you think that the MPG fuel economy of between 24 MPG and 26 MPG that I got on this 2nd "full" tank of gasoline is currently a VERY LOW fuel economy for my new 2010 Camry LE for the 2nd "full" fill-up that I just did over 1 week ago? Just so you know, I've been doing about 60% to 65% highway driving and about 35% to 40% city driving since the 2nd fill-up. And I've not gone over 60 to 62 MPH while driving on the highway. While driving on the highway, I have been driving LESS than 60 MPH 90% to 95% of the time. If this is the case, then WHY am I ONLY getting between 24 to 26 MPG as fuel economy on the 2nd "full" tank of gasoline? Is this normal or should I be getting better than 24 to 26 MPG on my 2nd "full" tank of gasoline? I was hoping to get around 28 to 29 MPG on my 2nd "full" tank of gasoline, but I didn't get that at all. Is my new 2010 Camry LE burning a lot of gasoline?

    ALSO, will the fuel economy get any better on this 2nd "full" fill-up with the "full" tank of gasoline that I just got and put in the gas tank this evening? What do you think?
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Get a book, and start logging all of your fillups. Note the date, the odometer reading, and the # of gallons you put in.

    To calculate your mpg, take the TOTAL mileage, divided by the TOTAL gallons. Any error that you have made in filling will get averaged out over time....it won't matter that it is the first click or the 5th click. As you've seen it's about a gallon and a half difference, which if you take over say 15 tankfuls is a nominal 'error' rate.

    You start with a full tank of gas, and you end with a full tank of gas.

    You have to get to a couple thousand miles before any mileage rate would start to be optimal. Wait until you get to about 5K miles before you'll hit top mpg that you'll get. Until then, lot's of new bearing surfaces getting broken in.

    Personally, I wouldn't even keep track until I hit at least 2K miles.
  • I currently have a little over 800 miles on my brand new 2010 Camry LE right now. I thought that the MPG fuel economy will start averaging out at around the first 1,000 miles.
    I am worried that my car will not get any better MPG fuel economy than 25 or 26 MPG with what I averaged out earlier tonight from the calculations that I did above with the 444.4 miles that I drove with the "full tank" of gasoline that I put inside the tank. And this was just my 2nd "full tank" of gasoline that I burned thru driving the car.

    Do you really think that the true MPG fuel economy will get better in my Camry LE as I put 1,000 to 2,000+ more miles on my brand new vehicle? The only reason why I am asking you this particular question is because of the past experiences that I've had during the break-in period in the past when owning brand new economical 4 cylinder cars. Whenever I've purchased a brand new economical car in the past, the MPG gasoline mileage that I've usually gotten during the first 2 or 3 "full tankfulls" of gas is usually the same MPG fuel economy that I usually also get when the same car is broken in and when it has 5,000+ miles on it. In other words, the MPG fuel economy has never changed for the better or gotten any better when compared to the first "full" tank fill-up that I started off with.
    And I drive all the economical cars that I've owned which I've purchased brand new VERY GENTLY and 60% to 65% on the highway.

    I haven't really noticed any better MPG fuel economy in any of the other economical 4 cylinder vehicles that I've owned in the past if I compare the 2nd or 3rd "full tank" of gasoline with the MPG economy that the same car will get after it breaks in and when it has 5,000+ miles on it.
    Is the 2010 Camry LE any different from the past economical vehicles that I've owned regarding getting better MPG fuel economy as you put more mileage on the vehicle?
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    normally don't give strangers advice on how to live their life, but you are so hung up on this fuel mileage thing..maybe you ought to sell the other car you talked about..the cost of owning/operating 2 cars far exceeds the money you'll save in gas driving the camry..my two cents...
  • We NEED 2 cars. Plus I love my Camry LE.
    I am trying to be analytical about this because I want to get the "highest" MPG fuel economy out of my new vehicle. I am trying to get a "precise" MPG fuel burning figure.

    The reason why I purchased my 2010 Camry LE was because I wanted to get 30 to 31 MPG "minimum" overall average gas mileage from it. I used to own a 1997 Camry CE that I purchased brand new and I used to "very easily" get between 31 and 32 overall average MPG from it without any problem. Because of this, I am hoping that the 2010 Camry that I am driving will get the same MPG fuel economy like my 1997 Camry.
  • You will not average 30-31 MPG "minimum". You will probably average around 25-26. Now, live your life and enjoy your Camry. :)
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    You're worrying this to death.

    I have a 2007 LE, with just under 50K miles, and it always gets low thirty's on highway driving. It's a great car, would buy another Camry in a heartbeat.

    Now, to be fair, this is not the exact same engine and transmission as the 2010. The 2010 has been improved over the 2007. Slightly better HP from the engine, and also now 6 speed transmission versus 5. Aerodynamically though, it's basically the same vehicle.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Would I would be concerned with is you needed to break the car in properly - see the owner's manual, which says do not travel for a long time at the same speed (same rpms) for the first 800 miles. I followed this, which results in poor mpg.

    Like everyone else has said, you will be fine. I would not even start looking at mpg until you have at least 3,000 miles on it.
  • All right. I will wait until the vehicle has over 3,000+ miles on it and then I will try to see if the MPG fuel economy gets any better than it is right now.
  • gtgtcobra: I understand your desire to achieve maximum efficiency from your Camry, and in order to gain a realistic understanding of what MPG other Camry owners are experiencing, you may want to have a look HERE also.
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