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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    I am getting 28.4 mpg on my 2006 Camry le V6 ( 90 % highway ).. I always warm up my car for 4-5 minutes .. I also use Chevron 87 octane..
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    just drive conservatively for the first 5 minutes, instead of sitting there idling.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    I just filled up the tank in my 2010 Camry LE tonight. I drove exactly 503.2 miles and I put in exactly 19.05 gallons of fuel inside the tank.
    The gas pump stopped and "clicked" the first time around exactly at 17.775 gallons. I ended up adding more fuel into the tank until the gas pump clicked at the "6th click" at exactly 19.05 gallons.

    If I calculate the MPG fuel economy with the 17.775 gallons at the "first click" of the gas pump, I get 28.309 MPG fuel economy (503.2 miles/ 17.775 gallons = 28.309 MPG)

    But if I calculate the MPG fuel economy with the 19.05 gallons at the "6th click" of the gas pump, I get ONLY get 26.414 MPG fuel economy (503.2 miles/ 19.05 gallons = 26.414 MPG)

    Which is the "TRUE MPG"? The 28.309 MPG or the 26.414 MPG? Or would you average out the 2 figures at 27.36 MPG (28.309 MPG + 26.309 MPG/ 2 = 27.36 MPG)? What do you think that the "TRUE MPG" fuel economy for my vehicle is right now?

    ALSO, I am confused about something else here. If the gas tank in my vehicle holds ONLY 18.5 gallons of gas and if I was able to put 19.05 gallons into the tank during the fill-up tonight, then does that mean that there was still 1.275 gallons of gas in the tank and in the fuel line that goes from the tank all the way to the engine (19.05 gal - 17.775 gal = 1.275 gal)?
    WHY was I able to put in an extra 1.275 gallons of gasoline in the tank? The engine on my vehicle was still able to run when I pulled into the gas station before I filled the tank up with gas. In other words, I didn't run out of gas. My engine was still running after I pulled into the gas station.
    Does this mean that the 1.275 gallon "difference" that I calculated was gasoline which was "still" in the tank and in the fuel lines? Is this correct? I would like to know.
    THANKS
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    I forgot to mention in my previous post that my 2010 Camry LE already has 2,057 original miles on it right now exactly at the time of the gas fill-up. Do you think that the engine is broken-in already or do you think that I need to go another 3,000 miles until the car reaches 5,000 miles in order for the engine to be "fully" broken-in? What is the "correct" break-in period for the 2.5L automatic 4 cylinder engine?
    Does anybody in here know?
    THANKS
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    To avoid the 'error factor' associated with a single tank filling, you should keep track over multiple tankfuls. Let's say you have a one gallon error factor, depending upon whether you stop at one click or 6 clicks. That is one gallon, on a basis of 18 gallons.

    If on the other hand you tracked for each of 5 consecutive gas tanks, then you would have a one gallon error, on a basis of about 90 gallons or so of gas. It start to becomes immaterial.

    Don't overfill your gas tank, just fill it to the first or second click off. In some vehicles gasoline can get into the fuel evaporation system and you can ruin a charcoal canister.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I agree fully with kiawah. Just try to fill the tank the same way each time, and don't "stuff" as much gas as you can into the tank. Over multiple fills, any discrepancies among different filling techniques and gas pumps will average out. Ford says to minimize errors by using the same pump at the same station with your car facing the same direction each time (obviously not feasible on a long trip).

    You don't have to run the tank nearly dry; it's not a good idea (both for you AND the car).

    The engine is definitely not fully broken in at your mileage; I'd say 5000 miles is a reasonable mileage for full break-in, but not a hard and fast number.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    You need to stop filling at the first click, otherwise you will damage your emission system.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes this is critical. When it clicks don't add anything more.

    And stop worrying about one tank or another. The only think that matters is how many gallons you pumped to get to 5000 miles. ( 5000 / x gal )

    The next measurement is 'how many gallons did you have to pump to get to 10,000 miles?'
  • dremdrem Posts: 24
    gtgtcobra,

    You are not anywhere close to your best mileage due to a very young engine. You won't see your best mileage until 40,000 miles plus. The 'break in' you speak of is just to rub off the high points on the moving metal parts. However, the parts are designed with very close tolerances and with today's good oils they won't loosen up for a long time. You should be getting the same 'best' mileage well past 100,000 miles.
    Also, I think you are driving yourself nuts about 'clicks' and 'lines on the gas gauge'. Just use full tanks and fill to the first click. It all averages out with time.

    The new engine should be better at efficiency because of the higher torque, but don't baby it. It has six speeds to shift efficiently as you accelerate. If you accelerate too slowly it just stays in lower gears longer than necessary.

    You will find your fuel economy better if you use cruise control. Your gas mileage can be 10% lower if you don't use it.

    It IS possible it has a problem, but at this point no-one can tell because its too new. Wait till spring and we can advise you more.

    BTW, both my 1999 and 2004 4 cyl autos get very good mileage on the road...35-37mpg at 72 cruise for the 1999 and 36-38 for the 2004. I can't even quantify any drop in the winter as long as there is no snow on the road. I have a neighbor who is anal about gas mileage and just bought a 2010 4cyl auto. I'll let you know what he is getting.

    Drem
  • Drem,
    I've got almost 2,700 original miles on my 2010 Camry LE right now. I just did a fill-up on January 30th and the MPG fuel economy DROPPED on my Camry to 23.9 MPG. During the fill-up before this one, I got 26 MPG. We've been having very cold weather up here, so maybe that's why the mileage dropped so much this time around. Also, I didn't do that much highway driving on this particular tank of gas.
    I am hoping that the MPG fuel economy will get better when spring and summer come around. I am not very happy at the MPG fuel economy figures. I don't drive beyond 55 - 60 MPH on the highway. I should be getting better fuel economy in my Camry. I am starting to get the feeling that some Camrys get high MPG fuel economy while others do not. Maybe mine is one of the ones that gets the lower MPG fuel economy? I am used to getting 30 - 32 MPG from the 1997 Camry CE which I used to own. The lower fuel economy in my current Camry is telling me that my vehicle either hasn't broken in yet or that the very cold weather up here is limiting the vehicle's ability to be more economical.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    vehicle either hasn't broken in yet or that the very cold weather up here is limiting the vehicle's ability to be more economical.

    It's probably a combination of your vehicle isn't broken in yet and the winter additives they add to the fuel during the winter months. It also takes longer to get around in bad weather. I live in Northeast Ohio and during the winter months ( late Oct through late Mar ) my mileage drops any where from 8% to 10% ) :sick:
  • kenym,
    Yes, I think that the combination of the cold weather and the additives that are in the gasoline may be contributors towards the bad mpg fuel economy that my vehicle is getting. The weird thing about this is that back from 1997 to 2000 when I owned my 97 Camry CE, I NEVER had bad fuel economy during all the 3 1/2 years that I owned my vehicle thruout the very cold and sub-zero weather during the wintertime. If that was the case, why then am I having bad fuel economy in my current 2010 Camry LE which is supposed to have a much better engine and transmission than the 97 Camry CE which I used to own? Either the engine on my current 2010 Camry was made to burn more fuel than the one in my 97 Camry or the biggest contributor towards the current bad fuel economy that it's getting is from the additives that they are putting int the gasoline. Back in 1997 to 2000, I don't think that there were any additives put into the gasoline, but I could be wrong.
    What I do know is that the rated mpg fuel economy in my 97 Camry CE was 20 city/ 29 highway. The mpg economy fuel rating for my 2010 Camry LE is 22 city/ 32 highway. In the 97 I used to EASILY get an overall average of 31 to 32 mpg city/highway while in my 2010, I am only getting an overall average of 24 to 25 mpg city/highway. The 2010 Camry which supposedly has a much better and more fuel efficient engine than my 97 Camry had is getting worse fuel economy than the 97 Camry. This doesn't make any sense to me. The 2010 should be getting at least the same overall average 31 to 32 mpg fuel economy that my 97 Camry was getting if the 2010 Camry has got a better engine than the 97 Camry. It $ucks bigtime that my 2010 Camry is not getting the same type of mpg fuel economy that my 97 Camry was getting. I was expecting much better gasoline mileage from my 2010. I have a feeling that my 97 Camry was much better with fuel economy than my 2010 Camry is.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Ethanol wasn't used in most gasoline back in 1997-2000. It hard to avoid ethanol now, which can constitute up to 10% of the fuel.

    Plus you had a manual transmission in the older car, which if you know what you're doing, can allow you to maximize mpg in way not possible with an automatic.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ....I am getting 28.4 mpg on my 2006 Camry le V6 ( 90 % highway ).. I always warm up my car for 4-5 minutes .. I also use Chevron 87 octane..


    I had a Camry Solara (the final year for a manual transmission V-6) that got really good highway fuel numbers. Sometimes 36/37 mpg. Sold it to an old college roomie who said he got 38 at times. We're both cars guys (but he's sharper than I am).

    That being said, the Honda V6 6M that supplanted my Solara has turned in over 40 MPG at least twice (IIRC) - - - using 6th gear/2150 RPM (circa 65 MPH)

    ez....
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,443
    Don't warm the car up and the mpg will be even better. Modern cars are ment to be started and driven off - don't floor it or anything till it is warm though.
  • I just got back from a roundtripper to NJ in my 08 Solara 4 cyl. Car now has 22,000 miles on the odometer. I used a bottle of Lucas F.I. cleaner on the tank last week and ran it down past "E" prior to the fill up for the NJ trip. Tire PSI at 36. Temps 35-53. About 80% highway travel at speeds up to 80mph. 530 miles and filled 16.2 gals. = calculation 32.7. Computer MPG reading was 34.1. The Solara ran beautifully.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    edited March 2010
    I just did my 14th gasoline fill-up at 5,463 original miles this evening. I've been tracking my average MPG on the www.fuelly.com website since I got my 2010 Camry LE brand new back on December 12, 2009.

    I'm finding that I am currently getting an overall average fuel economy between 24.7 to 25.5 MPG. The last 3 to 4 weeks have not been very cold and the average temperatures have been in the 40's Fahrenheit.
    During the last 4 gasoline fill-ups that I've done, I've gone a total of 420 miles, 392 miles, 432 and 450 miles consecutively on a full tank of gas.

    I will be getting the oil and oil filter changed for the first time next week in my brand new Camry. Do you think that the MPG fuel economy will go any higher "AFTER" I change the oil and oil filter in my Camry? My car currently has 5,463 original miles on it right now. I've been doing 50/50 city and highway driving within the last 4 gasoline fill-ups. Do you think that the fuel economy gas mileage will go up to around 30 to 32 mpg "AFTER" I get the oil and filter changed on my Camry?
    I am hoping that the gas mileage will go up after I get the first oil and filter change.
    What do you think?
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    edited March 2010
    I think you're dreaming, if you think changing the oil will get you a 20% improvement in fuel economy that you are looking for.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    "I think you're dreaming, if you think changing the oil will get you a 20% improvement in fuel economy that you are looking for."

    I was thinking the same thing. It would be very nice if the gas mileage on my new Camry could go up to 30+ MPG after its 1st oil change. Especially when the engine on my car has already been broken in with over 5,000+ miles on it right now. The MPG fuel economy on my Camry has gone up a little bit since it was purchased, but not by very much.

    The 2010 Camry LE should be getting better MPG gas mileage than just the overall 25 to 26 MPG that it's getting right now.
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    look at your window sticker..for a 2010 le with 4 cyl epa figures are 22/32 and 26 combined..also consumer's reports in their 12/09 test of the 4 cyl le got 17/37 and 26 combined..as you can see the figures differ widely due to many variables...your numbers are not that far off..I've been getting around 27 combined with 50% in light city traffic/50% highway with winter blend fuel and easygoing driving style..
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I agree with the others. The real test will be a long highway-only trip at say, 65 mph or less (you live in MA, right)? Only then should you get over 30 mpg, maybe 35 mpg depending on how conservatively you drive. Light traffic and use of cruise control, at least where it's not too hilly, should help.
  • kingfans1kingfans1 Posts: 137
    hi gtgtcobra, I think it is possible you can achieve 30-34 mpg on your 4 cyl camry. You have to drive post speed limit, use cruise control sometime, turn off a/c/fan..

    I am currently driving 2006 camry le v6 automatic. the car have 174,000 miles. Michelin primacy tires, 29 psi front/rear. I use only shell or chevron octane 87. epa rate 20/28.. I average 28.9 mpg. my best was 30.9 mpg.

    oil change and filter change not gonna do much. it is depend on how you drive..

    I don't care what other people say... temperature 40 F, I warm up my car for 2- minutes and drive. if the weather is very cold, I warm up for about 5 mintues..

    Your car drive more efficient if you warm up... It is according from my 2010 honda pilot manual.. I trust Honda Engineer.
  • Yo folks. Last I posted here, I had just squeezed 40mpg highway out of my 2007 CE on a Grand Canyon spring break trip with the kids. Traded it off back in late 2008 (wife hated the thing)....but 3 weeks ago....I threw caution (and marital harmony) to the wind and acquired a new, 2009 kermit green hybrid. First tank around town was 33.5 mpg calculated. Not bad, but about what is expected, although its still cold here, and hybrids ( this is #2 for me ) do like it a bit warmer.

    So I know it will do better around town by its very nature (25-26 mpg on the 2007 CE around town) but the REAL question is, what will this thing get on the highway? Some people have claimed that it does the 40mpg advertised prior to the EPA revision for the 2008 (2009?) model year. Others insist it doesn't. Its got the 2.4L engine in it from the regular Camry, same size wheels and tires, with a slight modification or two (higher compression, Atkins cycle, oil nozzles pointed at the pistons, I think) but the real question is how does the CVT do versus the 5 speed stick?

    Anyone wish to speculate prior to its first long highway trip? The car has 700 miles on it now, in the next two weeks it'll hit 1000 or so, I'll change the oil, and then I'm headed from Denver to New Orleans and back in the middle of April, call it 3000 miles round trip. Mostly interstate on the way down, higher speeds, and then secondary roads on the way back, lower speeds, a little stop and go through towns along the way. No commuting in New Orleans, no real stop and go, once it gets to New Orleans it gets parked in the hotel garage for the duration of my visit.

    I've been watching the instant gas-o-meter while on short trips at 65mph, it hovers between 35-45mpg most of the time, but we all know better than to trust the electronics. So far the "mpg per tank" meter (versus the more instant gauge) was spot on for the first tank.

    All my usual rules for how to calculate these things will apply, mileage calculated from one particular style of driving as much as possible, majority of the tank consumed in that configuration to minimize % effects related to fill-up error, standard fill-up technique and car positioning whenever possible, return to same pump at same station on return for a trip total.

    If memory serves, the 2005 auto LE had an all time single tank best of 38mpg, the 2007 stick a 40mpg. Think I can get a 42 mpg out of this one somewhere along the way? Guesses for pure interstate? Guesses for pure secondaries? High speed interstate / low speed interstate? No 100mph cruising this time trying to drive mileage UNDER 30mpg, normal interstate speed is going to be 70-80 mph, normal secondaries probably 50-65mph, with slowdowns for towns and such.
  • About 240 miles roundtrip today, first half was secondaries, small towns every 10-15 miles or so. 55-65mph speed limits. Trip computer read 45.5mpg. 2nd half was interstate, 75mph speed limit, I put the cruise on 80mph and just let it run. Fillup at the same pump I started at, 42.0 mpg calculated. Trip computer claim, 42.5. Not bad, I usually expect those things to be off 1-2mpg.

    Assuming the trip computer is reasonable, and that the faster half was symetrically opposite the slower half, that puts secondary road estimates at approximately 45 mpg, and interstate at higher speed estimates at 40 mpg.

    Tire pressures set before leaving, 1000 miles on the odo now, first oil change coming up in 2 weeks, then first big cross country trip.
  • '09 Hybrid owned almost 2 years. Summer mileage here in Pacific NW is 39 to low 40's, winter is around 35-36, and spring is 37-38mpg. Right now reads 38.5 over 2/3 of a tank. My commute is 8.5 miles each way. I go down a steep hill right out of my driveway into a 50mph country road, then up/down a couple more times, level out, a few stop signs. If nobody's around, I can keep it at 41mph/electric mode for some of the trip. By far, the car performs best on trips. Last trip to the coast was 45mpg, previous was 46mpg, loaded down with family and stuff. Yes, I'm trying the whole time, but not holding up traffic. seems ok.
  • Good deal. I've gotten a few highway tanks at 40+ on my 2009 TCH, my around town has increased from 33 to 35 as the weather warms, but I've only got 5K on it, 3K of that on a trip. I figure it needs 10K before its fully broken in. Only this week have temps cleared 40F at night.
  • crazedcommutercrazedcommuter Posts: 281
    edited June 2010
    Just filled up today with 12.6 gal for 392 miles on OD= 31.1 MPG. Solara is 4 cyl auto with 28k miles. I even topped the tank off an additional gallon. A mixture of 85% hwy and 20% city with the A/C on for both sides of my daily 70 mile commute. Very pleased with the car thus far.
  • Numbers on my brand new 2010 camry:

    32 MPG on first fill up with mixed city and highway
    30.6 MPG after 2nd fill up with mixed city and highway

    most driving are highly, i'd say 60-70 percent, and I drive it pretty gently for the break in period, with a/c on low for the most time here in phoenix.. but the MPG has been amazing so far, it's almost like the number from a civic or corolla.

    I hope it stays that way, do i need to use synthetic oil for the engine? does toyota came with regular or synthetic oil in the engine?
  • 85% hwy and 20% city, your math sucks
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,873
    That was a fairly rude way to correct someone's error. Let's try to be polite if there's a need to comment. If that's not possible, please just skip the post.

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