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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Of those that reported a series, only one party reported as much as 28 mpg (all others lower), that was in the 2004 4-speed; he got reduced mileage in a newer 2005 5-speed automatic he bought subsequently. As I recall, he lives in a rural area with little, if any true, city driving. He reported ~30+ mpg once in a series of two tankfuls at 100% freeway.

    Sounds like you're talking about me. Actually I got ~35 mpg on freeway trips with two fillups on the '04 Camry 4-cylinder, 4-speed auto. So far, I haven't gotten better than 31-32 mpg on long trips with the '05 4-cyl. 5-speed auto.

    But now, I've got some continuous long-trip data (cross-country) on the '04 Camry using the traditional trip meter divided by gallons used method. Keep in mind that the car was fairly heavily loaded this time, with 3 adults, a full trunk, and additional cargo in the left rear seat and floor. The car sagged somewhat in the rear, to the point that a few oncoming drivers "flashed" us at night because our low-beams were aimed upward somewhat.

    We traveled mainly off the interstates, on 2-lane roads, some nearly deserted. Speed limits are quite high in the West (65 mph in most states and 70 in Nevada). Temps were mild in LA, but very cold in the West, moderate in Missouri and Illinois, colder again in Indiana, Ohio, and West Virginia. We did not drive straight through, but stopped in national parks and small towns along the way (and drove around in these).

    23.6 mpg: 289 miles in L.A. traffic + a side trip to northern San Diego County.
    26.7 mpg: 379 miles, L.A. traffic, plus L.A. to Bishop, east central CA.
    29.2 mpg: 316 miles, to Ely, eastern NV.
    32.4 mpg: 403 miles, to Green River, eastern UT.
    30.3 mpg: 429 miles, to Salida, east of the Rockies in CO.
    31.2 mpg: 476 miles, to Spearville, western KS.
    28.5 mpg: 409 miles, to Kansas City, MO.
    35.5 mpg: 547 miles, to Spencer, western IN
    25.5 mpg: 130 miles, to Bloomington and Indianapolis, IN, including driving in Indy on Christmas day.
    31.1 mpg: 485 miles, Indianapolis to Elkins, north central WV.

    Average for entire trip: 29.8 mpg (3865 miles, 129.6 gallons)

    Average excluding first tank (LA traffic): 30.5 mpg (3575 miles, 117.4 gallons)

    I haven't yet refilled the tank after arriving home in central VA yesterday.

    So it seems to me with a lighter load, warmer temps, and continuous driving (no slowing to look at parks and towns), you should be able to do at least a few mpg better.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    "I did an extensive search of all of the posts of MPG on this website and found that those who boasted 30+ mpg invariably did so based on a single tankful (which I attribute to an incomplete fillup) instead of a series (continuous fillups and odometer records) or a "computer" readout, with some providing so little data that I wondered if it wasn't just a "guess". ...

    My guess is you will do NO MORE than 17 and 26 in the long term, which your 21.5 on a 60/40 would put you right in the middle."


    phd86,

    Perhaps your theory will be correct, however I submit that the few accounts (of fuel mileage) you've located on this website don't accurately represent a normal population. Respectfully, I'm a bit skeptical of any conclusions drawn from some anecdotal accounts without conducting a more complete analysis.

    Consumer Reports did conduct some mpg tests under controlled conditions. They averaged 24 mpg overall and averaged 34 mpg highway. Test vehicle was a 2005 Toyota Camry 2.4 4-cyl 5-spd auto.

    BTW, what did you get your doctoral in?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Well, my report may be "anecdotal," but it's as good as it gets with respect to record keeping and trying to fill the tank to the same amount each time. I let the automatic shutoff do its thing and then add about 25-35 cents more.

    Of course, not all gas pumps are the same, and I don't want to take the risk of gas spilling out onto the car (or me). But most importantly, my long trip averaged out the mileage by using multiple tankfuls, a criticism of Phd before that so many people had based their mileage on 1 or 2 tanks.

    Based on what I got, I think Consumer Reports is right on the money, considering they don't run with a load or at higher altitudes like I did.

    I think Phd has a real problem with his car, based on his posts, but I don't know how you get Toyota to acknowledge it, what with the plethora of variants that affect gas mileage.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    "Well, my report may be "anecdotal," but it's as good as it gets with respect to record keeping and trying to fill the tank to the same amount each time. I let the automatic shutoff do its thing and then add about 25-35 cents more"

    210delray, I intended no offence by describing the reports (including yours) regarding observed Camry MPG as anecdotal. I was referring to the common definition of anecdotal, i.e. based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers .

    Again, no offence intended. Actually I find real-world observations very valuable, quite often they can be the more accurate results.

    "I think Phd has a real problem with his car, based on his posts, but I don't know how you get Toyota to acknowledge it, what with the plethora of variants that affect gas mileage."

    Yeah, tough one here. Previous to my Camry I owned a Honda Odyssey and visited a forum very similar to this one. We also had a poster who insisted Odyssey's weren't capable of achieving EPA estimates, though many of us actually exceeded the EPA's estimates on a consistent basis.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Thanks, I didn't really take it as an offense in the first place, and I have a science background. I know you were directing your comments primarily to Phd.

    On my cars in general, I've been able to at least equal the EPA's city rating and exceed the highway rating. However, this has NOT been the case with my 2005 Camry on the highway (the car not used for the cross-country trip).
  • Hey we've got an 04 Camry with the 2.4VVT engine tied to an automatic. We are pretty modeate drivers and we are only getting 19 or 20 mpg in town and only 25-27mpg on the hwy. Is this the norm or should I be calling the dealership?
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    No science background here, just some experience in stats. My overall point was, though I do place a significant value on the testimonies of all who post here, the different driving conditions that we all experience makes it difficult to reach any definitive conclusions regarding the ability of the Camry to attain EPA mileage estimates.

    How many miles do you have on your 05 Camry? The reason I ask is that the general school of thought seems to be that gas mileage improves after a car "breaks in." This typically seems to occur somewhere between 5000 and 10000 miles. I'm not mechanically inept, however I'm not certain of the explanation behind this phenomenon.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I now have just under 8600 miles on the '05 Camry. I'm not sure if the "break in" theory is all that valid with today's cars.

    Anyway, for what it's worth, the '04 Camry on its initial long trip (central Va to NYC and back) got 35 mpg, averaged over 2 tankfuls. The trip started at only 1020 miles, with 2 adults and light luggage. EPA ratings for the '04 car are 23 city and 32 highway.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    It's on the low side, but good luck trying to convince your Toyota dealer that something's amiss. You know the old saw, "your mileage may vary," and vary it does, depending on how and where you drive (speed, traffic, temperature, load, and on and on).

    See the "Toyota Camry Owners: MPG-Real World Numbers" thread for more information:

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  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    That is very nice fuel consumption. Congratulations.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    1/04/2006:
    - 300.1 Miles
    - 15.15 Gallons
    - 19.8 mpg

    100% city miles

    Total miles on car; 2854
  • I purchased my 2006 Camry LE 4 cylinder in November. And with my 70/30 hwy/city drive, I get 23.5 MPG, which is 1/2 MPG worse than what I use to get in my 1996 Lexus ES300, with 170K miles for the exact same drive. I am disappointed with Camry. My car also jerks shifting from gear to gear. I had toyota's regional office send a marketing person and dealer technician review, and they just said this is normal.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Patrick Bedard took an RX330H on the same two-way 13.7 mile freeway trip and used the trip computer (resetting it on the fly) to measure mileage at 40-80 mph in 10 mph increments. Don't have the mag in front of me but I think the mileage ranged from about 49 mpg at 40 mph to 26 mpg at 80.

    Regardless of the absolute accuracy of the trip computer (the one on my Highlander consistently reads about 1 mpg higher than actual), I would assume it's pretty consistent. The point of the column was that driving habits SIGNIFICANTLY influence gas mileage (I doubt that anyone would disagree with that). He also took issue with the anecdotal data that pretty much everyone relies on.

    What I found most interesting is that there was a 5 mpg or more drop for every 10 mph speed increase. Maybe the 26 mpg in my SE-V6 at 75+ mph isn't so bad after all :)
  • phd86phd86 Posts: 110
    210Delray:

    yes - I was referring to you as being what appears to be the absolute top end of the fuel economy range reported on this website.

    All I can ad with reference to load factor, temperature, and continuous driving, is that I have no other people or significant luggage in the car, the outside temperature (for distance trips) is mainly 60-90 (central california valley), and there is no significant traffic or stops on the freeway reports.

    Overall, the reports indicate we are dealing with a vehicle that yields a long term average of somewhere in the range of 26-31 mpg on the freeway, probably biased towards the lower end of that range. But not 33-34 mpg.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    phd86,

    I'm curious as to what your thoughts are regarding my response to your reply--message #60.

    Again, I'm a bit skeptical of any conclusions drawn from some anecdotal accounts without conducting a more complete analysis.

    I suggest you examine some credible reports before categorically determining that the Camry isn't capable of achieving EPA mpg estimates.

    As I stated in my reply, Consumer Reports did conduct some mpg tests under controlled conditions. They averaged 24 mpg overall and averaged 34 mpg highway. The test vehicle was a 2005 Toyota Camry 2.4 4-cyl 5-spd auto. I believe this test is much more credible than a few reports of tests conducted under unknown conditions.

    I would be interested in the details of your study ... how many reports did you locate on this site, did you ensure the reports were categorized by same type vehicle/engine/transmission, did you group results according to region of country to account for differences in test conditions--such as elevation above sea level, etc, etc.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    guill, I support your skepticism. EPA highway fuel economy estimates are NOT hard to beat at freeway speeds with a steady foot or cruise control engaged over reasonably level terrain with a fully run-in motor (5,000 accumulated miles or more). 30+ mpg in a mid-size car is reasonable even with a V6 motor under those conditions.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    haefr, Thanks for the support. I certainly don't believe that EPA estimates are perfect, in fact I'm looking forward to the revised and hopefully more accurate EPA mpg estimates after the EPA modifies their testing procedures. However, I do believe one can achieve gas mileage very close to current EPA estimates in most cars sold today.

    I've been able to better EPA estimates in most vehicles I've owned and matched their estimates in the remaining vehicles.

    I would still like to hear a response back from phd ... interesting that he would offer a critique of my post yet choose not to respond to my rebuttal.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    1/21/2006:
    - 365.2 Miles
    - 16.00 Gallons
    - 22.8 mpg

    95/5 city/highway miles

    Total miles on car--3219
  • bjw1bjw1 Posts: 152
    hello all, I just purchased a 06 camry and traded in my tacoma, that was getting 17.5 mpg in city, and on my first tank on the camry I got 24.3 with just 20 miles of highway driving, 334 miles on 13.7 gallons, with the tacoma I would get about 100 miles less on the same amount of gas, so if i can get 24 city and just 30 on highway thats a big increase for me at least.
  • guillguill Posts: 94
    bjw1, Achieving EPA city mpg estimates with a brand new car is great. Congratulations on your purchase, I'm sure you'll enjoy the car.
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