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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • UPDATE on Current Gasoline Mileage:

    I just filled up the tank on my brand new 2010 Camry LE automatic this evening. This is currently my 3rd fill-up NOT including the 1st fill-up of FREE gasoline that the dealer gave to me which was "already" in the gas tank in my Camry when I picked up my car on December 12th. During the 1st FREE gasoline fill-up that the dealer did for me, the dealer ONLY filled up my car ONLY up to the "LAST" full needle marker on the gas gauge. Just so you know, the dealer did NOT fill up the tank up to the "F" mark on the day that I picked up my car. Instead, the gasoline gauge needle was exactly on the top needle marker when I picked up my car from the dealer.

    I drove the car just like I got it from the dealer and when the gasoline gauge needle went on "E" on empty, I ended up filling up the tank with a "Full" tank of gasoline this time around about 1 week after getting my Camry (which was sometime last weekend).
    So basically, tonight's gasoline fill-up is the 2nd fill-up with a "full" tank of gasoline that I got all by myself since I picked up and got my car from the dealer.

    Before I filled up the tank this evening, the gas gauge needle was past the "last" empty line and it was almost at the "E" marker.
    After I filled the tank tonight, the "first" click where the gas pump stopped at was at exactly 16.503 gallons.
    What I did after the gas pump stopped was I pressed the gas pump handle and filled the tank up a little more with gasoline for a total of 4 more "clicks" (5 "clicks" total). In other words, the gas pump handle clicked for a total of 5 times until it stopped at the 18.09 gallon mark.

    At the 1st "click" the gas pump stopped at exactly 16.503 gallons. Then at the 2nd "click" the gas pump stopped at 16.8 gallons. Then at the 3rd "click" the gas pump stopped at 17.0 gallons. Then at the 4th click it stopped exactly at 17.5 gallons. Then lastly, at the 5th "click" the gas pump stopped at exactly 18.09 gallons.

    If I do all the calculations regarding the MPG gas mileage for my Camry I get 6 different gas mileage figures. Each MPG mileage is:

    1. If I use 444.4 miles/ 16.503 = 26.928 MPG

    2. If I use the 444.4 miles/16.8 gallons = 26.452 MPG

    3. If I use the 444.4 miles/17.0 gallons = 26.141 MPG

    4. If I use the 444.4 miles/17.5 gallons = 25.394 MPG

    5. If I use the 444.4 miles/18.09 gallons = 24.5660 MPG

    I would like to know exactly which one of the 5 "clicks" that I made at the gasoline pump is the "true" and "exact" MPG fuel economy for my new 2010 Camry LE for this 2nd "full" tank of gasoline that I put in my car and just burned?
    Does anybody in here know?

    ALSO, don't you think that the MPG fuel economy of between 24 MPG and 26 MPG that I got on this 2nd "full" tank of gasoline is currently a VERY LOW fuel economy for my new 2010 Camry LE for the 2nd "full" fill-up that I just did over 1 week ago? Just so you know, I've been doing about 60% to 65% highway driving and about 35% to 40% city driving since the 2nd fill-up. And I've not gone over 60 to 62 MPH while driving on the highway. While driving on the highway, I have been driving LESS than 60 MPH 90% to 95% of the time. If this is the case, then WHY am I ONLY getting between 24 to 26 MPG as fuel economy on the 2nd "full" tank of gasoline? Is this normal or should I be getting better than 24 to 26 MPG on my 2nd "full" tank of gasoline? I was hoping to get around 28 to 29 MPG on my 2nd "full" tank of gasoline, but I didn't get that at all. Is my new 2010 Camry LE burning a lot of gasoline?

    ALSO, will the fuel economy get any better on this 2nd "full" fill-up with the "full" tank of gasoline that I just got and put in the gas tank this evening? What do you think?
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Get a book, and start logging all of your fillups. Note the date, the odometer reading, and the # of gallons you put in.

    To calculate your mpg, take the TOTAL mileage, divided by the TOTAL gallons. Any error that you have made in filling will get averaged out over time....it won't matter that it is the first click or the 5th click. As you've seen it's about a gallon and a half difference, which if you take over say 15 tankfuls is a nominal 'error' rate.

    You start with a full tank of gas, and you end with a full tank of gas.

    You have to get to a couple thousand miles before any mileage rate would start to be optimal. Wait until you get to about 5K miles before you'll hit top mpg that you'll get. Until then, lot's of new bearing surfaces getting broken in.

    Personally, I wouldn't even keep track until I hit at least 2K miles.
  • I currently have a little over 800 miles on my brand new 2010 Camry LE right now. I thought that the MPG fuel economy will start averaging out at around the first 1,000 miles.
    I am worried that my car will not get any better MPG fuel economy than 25 or 26 MPG with what I averaged out earlier tonight from the calculations that I did above with the 444.4 miles that I drove with the "full tank" of gasoline that I put inside the tank. And this was just my 2nd "full tank" of gasoline that I burned thru driving the car.

    Do you really think that the true MPG fuel economy will get better in my Camry LE as I put 1,000 to 2,000+ more miles on my brand new vehicle? The only reason why I am asking you this particular question is because of the past experiences that I've had during the break-in period in the past when owning brand new economical 4 cylinder cars. Whenever I've purchased a brand new economical car in the past, the MPG gasoline mileage that I've usually gotten during the first 2 or 3 "full tankfulls" of gas is usually the same MPG fuel economy that I usually also get when the same car is broken in and when it has 5,000+ miles on it. In other words, the MPG fuel economy has never changed for the better or gotten any better when compared to the first "full" tank fill-up that I started off with.
    And I drive all the economical cars that I've owned which I've purchased brand new VERY GENTLY and 60% to 65% on the highway.

    I haven't really noticed any better MPG fuel economy in any of the other economical 4 cylinder vehicles that I've owned in the past if I compare the 2nd or 3rd "full tank" of gasoline with the MPG economy that the same car will get after it breaks in and when it has 5,000+ miles on it.
    Is the 2010 Camry LE any different from the past economical vehicles that I've owned regarding getting better MPG fuel economy as you put more mileage on the vehicle?
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    normally don't give strangers advice on how to live their life, but you are so hung up on this fuel mileage thing..maybe you ought to sell the other car you talked about..the cost of owning/operating 2 cars far exceeds the money you'll save in gas driving the camry..my two cents...
  • We NEED 2 cars. Plus I love my Camry LE.
    I am trying to be analytical about this because I want to get the "highest" MPG fuel economy out of my new vehicle. I am trying to get a "precise" MPG fuel burning figure.

    The reason why I purchased my 2010 Camry LE was because I wanted to get 30 to 31 MPG "minimum" overall average gas mileage from it. I used to own a 1997 Camry CE that I purchased brand new and I used to "very easily" get between 31 and 32 overall average MPG from it without any problem. Because of this, I am hoping that the 2010 Camry that I am driving will get the same MPG fuel economy like my 1997 Camry.
  • You will not average 30-31 MPG "minimum". You will probably average around 25-26. Now, live your life and enjoy your Camry. :)
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    You're worrying this to death.

    I have a 2007 LE, with just under 50K miles, and it always gets low thirty's on highway driving. It's a great car, would buy another Camry in a heartbeat.

    Now, to be fair, this is not the exact same engine and transmission as the 2010. The 2010 has been improved over the 2007. Slightly better HP from the engine, and also now 6 speed transmission versus 5. Aerodynamically though, it's basically the same vehicle.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Would I would be concerned with is you needed to break the car in properly - see the owner's manual, which says do not travel for a long time at the same speed (same rpms) for the first 800 miles. I followed this, which results in poor mpg.

    Like everyone else has said, you will be fine. I would not even start looking at mpg until you have at least 3,000 miles on it.
  • All right. I will wait until the vehicle has over 3,000+ miles on it and then I will try to see if the MPG fuel economy gets any better than it is right now.
  • gtgtcobra: I understand your desire to achieve maximum efficiency from your Camry, and in order to gain a realistic understanding of what MPG other Camry owners are experiencing, you may want to have a look HERE also.
  • I just checked the website out. It seems that most of the 2010 Camry owners that posted on the website that you gave me are getting an "overall average" fuel economy of ONLY 26 to 27 MPG. The MPG fuel economy figures are VERY DISTURBING.
    The MPG fuel economy figures are NOT that good considering that the 2010 Camry LE has the "newer" 2.5L engine and also the all new 6 speed automatic transmission in it which are BOTH "supposed" to give it "better" fuel economy than the 2009 and previous year Camry models.
    With the upgraded 2.5L engine and 6 speed automatic transmission, the new 2010 Camry LE should be getting an average of 30MPG in fuel economy.

    Toyota should have stayed with the 2.2L, 4 cylinder engine that it had in all of its 4 cylinder Camry vehicles back in 1997. The 2.2L "easily" got 30 to 32 MPG without a struggle. I used to own one and mine got 31 to 32 MPG in a heartbeat without any problem.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Don't sweat it. Keep in mind that the 97 was smaller and lighter too. I've said before that mine gets 31.5 mpg easily on my commute, which is about 1-2 mpg better than my 2007, and only 4 mpg worse than my old small Corolla! I know I could do better than 31.5mpg on my commute if I slowed down a little and did not accelerate as fast. You will get above 30 under the right conditions!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is the best advice of all.

    Your fuel economy doesn't matter from tank to tank for a variety of reasons. Ignore it. After the seasons turn and spring finally arrives then total your 'winter' mile and 'winter' gallons to get your 'winter FE rating'.

    Do the same for the next three months until summer arrives.
    Do the same for the next three months, etc, etc, etc.

    You'll have 4 different averages. Then compare next winter to this winter, etc, etc.

    I've kept track of every tank and every mile I've driven over the last 137,000 miles in all 4 seasons. The average on my Prius is exactly where it's supposed to be. But I know this for a fact because I've kept detailed records in the car then logged them onto a spreadsheet to do all the calcs.

    I wouldn't even look at any averages until about 5000 miles. You will see significant seasonal variations though.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Like the others said, don't sweat it. And don't bother filling up to the 4th or 5th click; you don't want to risk spilling gasoline on your new paint job. I record all my gas mileage figures, but I don't record gallons added beyond 2 decimal places and mpg beyond ONE decimal place.

    Based on my experience with 2 prior-generation Camry 4s, there's NO WAY you'll achieve an overall average of 30 mpg if you mix in city driving with highway driving. Highway driving alone? Sure you'll get 32-33 mpg easily, even 35+ with light loads in warmer weather on flat terrain and keeping top speeds at or below 70 mph. Cruise control helps, but don't use it much until the initial break-in period is over (1000 miles).
  • What you mention here is an "excellent" idea. I will keep "seasonal" MPG fuel economy figures. I am hoping that the MPG fuel economy will get better in the springtime, summertime and fall when the weather is milder and warmer. Right now we are getting very cold weather up here. The temperature up here was ONLY 12 degrees Fahrenheit today.
    I am just hoping that the MPG fuel economy will get better and go into the 30 to 31 MPG range as my Camry gets towards the 5,000+ mile mark. I don't want the MPG fuel economy to stay stagnant at the 25 to 26 or at the 27 and 28 MPG range. I most definitely like to see it get to the 30 and 31 MPG range.
  • So you really think that I will NOT be able to realistically attain the 30 MPG fuel economy with mixed driving in my 2010 LE 2.5L, 4 cylinder? In my 1997 Camry CE 5 speed manual I used to get 30 to 31 MPG fuel economy with "mixed" driving without any problem. Maybe it was due from the car having the smaller 2.2L engine. I would think that the 2.5L engine would be more economical with the 6 speed transmission. The 2.2L and the 2.5L engines shouldn't make much of a difference regarding the MPG fuel economy. And I don't think that the 1997 Camry CE 2.2L is a lighter vehicle than the 2010 Camry LE 2.5L.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    No, I don't think so. The '97 Camry with the 2.2 4-cylinder was a little less fuel efficient, based on my experience with one (an automatic though). You had a manual base model, so I'm not surprised by your average mpg. And yes, the '97 was lighter than the 2002-06 generation, which in turn is lighter than the 2007-10 generation.

    Just FYI, my overall average for my 2004 Camry LE 4 (with 4-speed auto) is 28.0 mpg over the last 40K miles (it will turn over 70K miles tomorrow). The lifetime average for my 2005 Camry XLE 4 (with 5-speed auto) is 25.6 mpg. It has nearly 42K miles.

    Why the difference? Easily explainable: the '04 has seen more highway miles plus my daily commute with the car is 13 miles one way, with low traffic volumes, few traffic lights, and 60 mph top speeds. The '05 is used by my wife in much shorter trips into town, besides occasional highway use.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    In winter you have a lot of bad issues to overcome as does everyone in northern climes.
    ..Cold air is denser than warm air. It takes more effort to force your block of steel through that denser air.
    ..Especially in northern areas they switch over to 'winter gas' which contains less BTUs than normal gas.
    ..Very often in winter the weather is stronger. Winds blow stronger or seem to to me but road conditions are definitely worse with slick precipitation on the roadways which cuts down traction.
    ..Then the ICE has to work harder all winter. Not only does it have to warm up the fluids and catalytic converter but it has to keep you warm too.
  • I found all the comparison specs, weight and fuel data for BOTH the 1997 Camry 2.2L, 4 cylinder CE
    5 speed manual and for the 2010 CAMRY 2.5L, 4 cylinder LE 6 speed automatic.

    Below are listed all the exact specs for BOTH vehicles:

    1997 Camry CE, 2.2L 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual:

    Exterior
    Length: 188.5 in. Width: 70.1 in.
    Height: 55.4 in. Wheel Base: 105.2 in.
    Curb Weight: 3086 lbs.
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 38.6 in. Front Shoulder Room: 56.2 in.
    Rear Head Room: 37.6 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 56.1 in.
    Front Leg Room: 43.5 in. Rear Leg Room: 35.5 in.
    Maximum Seating: 5
    Performance Data

    Performance
    Acceleration (0-60 mph): 9.9 sec. Road Holding Index: .77 g
    Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.2 liters
    Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 133 hp
    Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 147 ft-lbs.
    Max Torque: 4400 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 2000 lbs.
    Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 35.4 ft.

    Fuel Data:
    Fuel
    Fuel Tank Capacity: 18.5 gal.
    EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)
    Manual: 20 mpg / 29 mpg / 23 mpg

    Range in Miles:
    Manual: 370 mi. / 536.5 mi. / 425.5 mi.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    2010 Camry LE, 2.5L, 4 cylinder, 6 speed automatic:

    Exterior
    Length: 189.2 in. Width: 71.7 in.
    Height: 57.9 in. Wheel Base: 109.3 in.
    Ground Clearance: 5.5 in. Curb Weight: 3307 lbs.
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 38.8 in. Front Hip Room: 54.6 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 57.8 in. Rear Head Room: 37.8 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 56.9 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.9 in.
    Front Leg Room: 41.7 in. Rear Leg Room: 38.3 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 15 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5
    Performance Data

    Performance
    Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.5 liters
    Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 169 hp
    Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 167 ft-lbs.
    Max Torque: 4100 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1000 lbs.
    Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 36.1 ft.

    Fuel Data:
    Fuel
    Fuel Tank Capacity: 18.5 gal.
    EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)
    Automatic: 22 mpg / 32 mpg / 26 mpg
    Range in Miles:
    Automatic: 407 mi. / 592 mi. / 481 mi.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----

    The 2010 Camry LE is 221 lbs. "heavier" than the 1997 Camry CE.
    Also, the 1997 Camry CE has a "lower" MPG fuel economy than the 2010 Camry LE.

    The 1997 Camry gets 20 MPG City & 29 MPG Highway with an average of 23 MPG.

    The 2010 Camry gets 22 MPG City & 32 MPG Highway with an average of 26 MPG.

    So the 2010 Camry LE 4 cylinder automatic gets "much better" MPG fuel economy than the 1997 Camry CE, 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual even though the 2010 Camry LE weighs 221 lbs. "more" than the 1997 Camry CE.

    I don't really think that the 2010 Camry LE weighing 221 lbs. more than the 1997 Camry CE is a huge weight increase. In other words, I don't think that the 2010 Camry LE being 221 lbs. heavier will make it be less fuel efficient with its MPG fuel economy.

    With all the above listed data and specs for both the 1997 and 2010 Camry vehicles, I think that I must have been lucky to get an "overall MPG average" of 31 to 32 MPG fuel economy on my 1997 Camry CE that I used to own back in the late 90's when the "maximum" fuel economy for highway driving was "ONLY" 29 MPG and when the "overall average" MPG fuel economy was "ONLY" 23 MPG for this particular vehicle.
    If this was the case when I used to own the 1997 Camry CE, then what are the chances and odds that my current 2010 Camry LE will get the same 30 to 32 MPG or better fuel economy just like I got when I used to own my 1997 Camry? This is the million dollar question.

    If the current 2010 Camry LE has a "better" engine and a "better" transmission than the 1997 Camry CE and if the 2010 Camry LE is also "more" fuel efficient than the 1997 Camry CE, then the 2010 Camry LE should "hypothetically" get an "overall average" of 30 MPG fuel economy without any problem when its 2.5L engine has been broken in after 2,000 to 3,000 miles.
    WHAT DO YOU THINK?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Don't forget the dense air means more fuel is added to the engine to get the correct air/fuel ratio.
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