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Toyota Camry Real World MPG

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  • Just did a 550 mile 90% highway stint in a 2010 Camry Hybrid. A Hertz rental with 18k on it. Temps between 17 and 40 degrees headed down from Atlanta to Baton Rouge. Reset the MPG meter when I left the Hertz lot and it now shows 32.8 mpg and average speed of 74 mph. No A/C use, only one person, very light traffic. Can't say I'm impressed as my last Hertz renatl, a 2010 Fusion 4cyl Automatic averaged 29 mog on a similar, though not identical trip. Also, the spongy throttle response of the Hybrid/CVT powertrain ruin the otherwise smooth and polished Camry drivetrain. I know Hybrid's don't shine on highway trips, but I expected better mileage.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    " think we keep telling you it's not going to stay at 30+ mpg unless you stay on the highway, all the time. That's been my experience in 13 years of Camry ownership, all 4-cylinder automatics (3 cars, 2 owned currently).

    The EPA estimates say the same thing: 22 city, 32 highway."

    I know what you are saying, BUT the EPA estimates said 20 city and 29 highway for my 1997 Camry CE and it got OVER 30-32 MPG overall fuel economy very easily without any problem. What I am trying to tell you is that the EPA estimates for my 1997 Camry CE were MUCH LESS than the EPA estimates for the 2010 Camry LE and that the 97 Camry got MUCH BETTER MPG fuel economy than what my 2010 Camry is getting.
    My argument and gripe here is that with all the bull$hit advanced engineering that Toyota put into its current 2.5L i-Tech engine, the current 2010 model Camry LE should be able to get at least 30 MPG overall fuel economy. What good is a more advanced engine and transmission if it's NOT getting the 30-32 MPG fuel economy? Especially on a 4 cylinder Camry.

    It's all bull$hit if Toyota has the know-how to build a more advanced and a much better 2.5L engine and transmission and if it cannot get better MPG fuel economy out of this same engine. Toyota has "failed" in my opinion with its efforts to have its newer non-hybrid gasoline engines attain better and higher fuel economy. If so much technological advancement has been put into these current 2.5L engines and transmissions, they should be getting at least an average of 30 MPG fuel economy. This isn't happening and Toyota's EPA estimates for its current 2010 Camry LE are nothing but bull$hit estimates. Toyota should instead state on their EPA estimates that the current 2010 Camry LE is only good for 20 MPG city/24 MPG highway and they should void the 22 city/32 highway MPG estimates.
    Only then will they have more accurate EPA figures for the 2010 Camry LE.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    "Just did a 550 mile 90% highway stint in a 2010 Camry Hybrid. A Hertz rental with 18k on it. Temps between 17 and 40 degrees headed down from Atlanta to Baton Rouge. Reset the MPG meter when I left the Hertz lot and it now shows 32.8 mpg and average speed of 74 mph. No A/C use, only one person, very light traffic. Can't say I'm impressed as my last Hertz renatl, a 2010 Fusion 4cyl Automatic averaged 29 mog on a similar, though not identical trip. Also, the spongy throttle response of the Hybrid/CVT powertrain ruin the otherwise smooth and polished Camry drivetrain. I know Hybrid's don't shine on highway trips, but I expected better mileage."

    I bet that you would get in the high 30's to low 40's in MPG fuel economy if you were driving between 55 to 60 MPH in that Camry Hybrid Hertz rental. If you were doing 74 MPH and only got 32.8 to 33 MPG in it that's not bad at all. You would be getting much higher MPG fuel economy if you drove the same vehicle at a much lower highway speed.
    I wish that I could get 30 to 31 MPG in my 2010 Camry LE while driving 74 MPH in it. I would be very happy.
    I wouldn't complain if I were you. That's excellent fuel economy that you got in your 2010 Camry Hybrid rental driving at 74 MPH. Imagine what you could have gotten for fuel economy if you drove that same exact vehicle at 55-60 MPH. :)
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    I took a look at this forum just out of curiosity. Until recently I was driving an 08 Saturn XE with the 3.5 229HP V6 for business. On interstate runs at 70 - 75 MPH, the car always averaged 30+ MPG. I swapped it for a 2010 Honda with a 4 cylinder - 5AT, and, the best she's done so far is 25 MPG under the same conditions. What really aggravates me is the fact that my other car, an 06 Jaguar S-Type with the 300 HP V8 and 6 speed tranny, also delivers right at 30 MPG on long interstate runs. On a long run across Ohio with the lower speed limits, running 65, I got 34.5 MPG average out of her. To me the Honda's highway EPA rating is a sick joke.

    Regards:
    OldCEM
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    "I took a look at this forum just out of curiosity. Until recently I was driving an 08 Saturn XE with the 3.5 229HP V6 for business. On interstate runs at 70 - 75 MPH, the car always averaged 30+ MPG. I swapped it for a 2010 Honda with a 4 cylinder - 5AT, and, the best she's done so far is 25 MPG under the same conditions. What really aggravates me is the fact that my other car, an 06 Jaguar S-Type with the 300 HP V8 and 6 speed tranny, also delivers right at 30 MPG on long interstate runs. On a long run across Ohio with the lower speed limits, running 65, I got 34.5 MPG average out of her. To me the Honda's highway EPA rating is a sick joke."

    Touche! I couldn't have said it better myself.
    I feel the same exact way about the 2010 Camry LE. The Camry's EPA rating is also a sick joke too. Let's all get real here. The newer 2.5L "advanced engineered" (yeah right) 4 cylinder engine should be getting an overall average of 30 MPG fuel economy. It isn't though.

    Toyota's EPA 22 MPG city/32 MPG highway rating for the new 2010 Camry LE is nothing but a bull$hit rating. The EPA rating numbers that Toyota states do NOT jive with the "real" MPG fuel economy numbers that the Camry actually gets.

    I can't wait until my 3 year lease is up. The next time around I am going to lease either a Hybrid Camry or a VW CC. At least with the Hybrid Camry I know that I will for sure be getting "at least" 33 to 34 MPG overall fuel economy.
    And if I select the VW CC, I will at least know that I have a much better looking and better built car than the American built Camry. The VW CC is built 100% in Eben, Germany and it has a much higher build quality than the Camry and the MPG fuel economy is about the same as the current 2010 Camry that I am driving right now (around 22 to 25 MPG).
    I am so sick and tired of driving around in a vehicle which should be getting better MPG fuel economy that isn't. :mad:
    Toyota should put more attention and care in making the Camry more fuel efficient so it can get much higher MPG fuel economy. The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    The EPA rating numbers that Toyota states do NOT jive with the "real" MPG fuel economy numbers that the Camry actually gets.

    The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.


    I completely disagree. Maybe for YOU. Sorry to hear that, but my mpg has been great. Of course, I did not worry about it until I had 3,000 miles on it. I got 31.5 on my work commutes - this was in the summer using the A/C, and not all highway. I'll let you know what I am getting now in the winter - I bet below 30, because of the cold. I am perfectly happy with mine.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I didn't read through your entire posts, but man, give the new car a chance. It's hardly broken in yet, and the weather's been too cold. Take it on a long trip in March or April and let us know how you do.

    Regarding the EPA figures, they are estimates. But if you drove exactly as is done in the EPA tests, in the same ambient temperatures, your mileage should be very close.

    The older Camry was a stick, and if you know what you're doing, you can definitely get better mileage with a manual.

    If you really wanted 30 mpg overall, maybe you should have considered buying a smaller car, such as a Corolla or Fit, both of which are readily available with a stick. Or maybe the gas guzzling Dodge you have is the real problem!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    If I judged the mpg of my car on a few tanks in the winter I would be horrible dissapointed in about 28 mpg over 4 tanks this month with plenty of highway driving.

    In reality I have averaged 34.5 mpg over 77,000 miles and have had a 10 tank rolling average as high as 39.8 and a 50 tank rolling average as high as 36.2 mpg. Yes I put every tank into xcel.

    Give your cars time to break in. Make sure you have enough air pressure (mine dropped 8 psi recently because of the cold spell - pressure drops with temp), use 0w-20 synthetic oil (new standard for Toyota and very efficient), keep speeds down, don't warm the car up in the morning, and most importantly wait for warmer weather.

    BTW as I mentioned earlier I have an Accord with the stick so my numbers will probably be hard to match (because of the stick not because it is an Accord). The same principals apply and there will be the same difference in winter mpg.
  • Dudley -
    What psi do you do?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I think that to get a good gauge for your highway segment you should take a trip from Boston (?) down I84 to NYC and back. Except for Hartford you should be able to maintain a good solid highway speed and get a solid measurement.

    Cold weather, poor traction, stopping for any reason and short trips will kill your fuel economy.

    I had perfect conditions back in the Fall when I used the 2.5L XLE for several weeks. I was able to get 36-39 mpg for the entire time while my Prius was in the shop.
    85% leisurely highway driving at 60-63 mph and nearly no stops;
    90 min trips, none longer, none shorter;
    No pressure on the pedal;
    Warm to cool weather;
    Dead flat terrain
    No bad weather to reduce traction.

    The loaner had 2500 miles on it when I first got it. I was highly impressed.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    "I think that to get a good gauge for your highway segment you should take a trip from Boston (?) down I84 to NYC and back. Except for Hartford you should be able to maintain a good solid highway speed and get a solid measurement."

    As a matter of fact, I actually "did" drive from Massachusetts all the way down to I84 to Hartford, Connecticut early this afternoon. I just returned back home to Massachusetts just a few minutes ago.

    I drove 100% highway round trip going down there and coming back home. The speed that I was doing driving all the way down to CT was constant between 50 MPH and 58 MPH. Then when I was driving back home to Massachusetts from CT., I was doing a constant speed of 50 to 55 MPH during the first 1/2 of the way home and then a constant speed between 55 and 63 MPH during the second 1/2 of the way back home. The total distance from my house in Massachusetts all the way to Hartford and back was exactly 159 miles.

    Just so you know, I filled the tank up in my Camry yesterday afternoon. The trip odometer in my Camry LE was also reset to zero (0) after I filled the tank yesterday, so it only had 22 miles on it earlier this afternoon before I left Massachusetts for the trip down to Connecticut.

    After doing the round trip from Mass. to CT. and back home to Mass., I now have a total of 181 miles on the trip odometer in my Camry.
    With all this driving, the needle on the gas gauge is currently positioned exactly on the "first smaller line marker" that's located just below the 3/4 tank thick white line marker.

    So far, I used up a little more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline to drive a TOTAL OF 181 MILES of which 159 miles were 100% ALL highway miles and the other 22 miles were 100% all city miles driving around town.
    (159 miles all highway driving + 22 miles all city driving = 181 Total miles driven)

    I "estimate" that I already used up between 5 to 6 gallons of gasoline driving a total of 181 miles since my full tank gas fill-up yesterday because the gasoline gauge needle is located currently just below the 3/4 tank line marker right now.

    If I do the MPG calculation using 5 gallons, I get 36 MPG fuel economy.
    (181 total miles driven/ 5 gallons used = 36 MPG)

    If I do the MPG calculation using 6 gallons, I get 30 MPG fuel economy.
    (181 total miles driven/ 6 gallons used = 30 MPG)

    I am not sure if my calculations are 100% correct, but I think that I got either 36 MPG or 30 MPG fuel economy driving a total of 181 miles since the last time that I filled up the tank yesterday.

    What do you "THINK" that my current "TRUE" MPG fuel economy is right now after driving a total of 181 miles and using up a little bit more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline?

    From all of the information that I've given above on where the current location of the gas gauge needle is located one line just below the thick while 3/4 tank line marker, do you think that I burned 5 gallons of gasoline or 6 gallons of gasoline driving the 181 miles?

    What do you think? I would love to hear from you what your views are on what you really think that the "true actual" MPG fuel economy is right now from the current 181 mile trip that I took in my Camry LE with all the driving conditions and driving habits that I listed and stated above and from where the current location of the gasoline gauge needle is currently located?

    THANKS
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    I forgot to mention here that if I didn't use up exactly 5 gallons or exactly 6 gallons of gasoline driving the total distance of 181 miles that there may be a very good chance that I might have instead used up around 5.5 gallons to 5.75 gallons of gasoline for the entire 181 miles that I've driven so far.
    Therefore, if I use the 5.5 gallon and the 5.75 gallon consumption figures with the total 181 miles already driven I get 32.9 MPG fuel economy and 31.47 MPG fuel economy.

    (181 total miles driven/ 5.5 gallons gasoline used = 32.9 MPG fuel economy)

    (181 total miles driven/ 5.75 gallons gasoline used = 31.47 MPG fuel economy)

    What do you think is the "more realistic" MPG fuel economy figure here given with where the current location of the needle on the gasoline gauge is currently located right now?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    In perfect weather and perfect conditions last November here I was able to get 36-39 mpg on a trip like you took.

    In very cold weather and slipperier conditions I'd estimate a 15-20% decrease in fuel economy; i.e. into the low 30 mpg range.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    The weather was sunny and clear during the drive all the way down to Connecticut. I also remember looking at the temperature on the trip odometer while I was driving down to Connecticut and the temperature reading on the display on the dashboard was at around 30 to 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Driving back home to Massachusetts from Connecticut it was evening and dark out and it was colder than it was during the daytime hours probably around 22 degrees to 27 degrees Fahrenheit. Also, the weather during the evening on the way back home was clear/cloudy but cold.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Cut the mumbo-jumbo and fill it up right now and find out! Estimating based on gas gauge needle position is a waste of time.

    My '04 Camry consistently takes 60 highway miles just to go from "above full" to the "full" line on the gauge. And I usually stop filling at the 2nd or 3rd click, just to get the $ amount to the nearest 5- or 10-cent interval.

    One caution though: putting in only a small amount of gas leads to greater errors in mpg calculations. But unless you have another long trip planned soon, this will finally give you an idea of the potential highway mpg.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    Couple of things.

    If you are that interested in mpg then a scangauge is a must. Just buy one and install it. It will tell you all you need to know about mpg. www.scanguage.com

    There are at least 3 gallons left in the tank when it reads empty. I doubt you have even used 5 gallons at just below 3/4 tank. No way you have used 6. (scanguage will tell you)

    A rough way to figure the highway mpg on a tank that has x miles of city is to multiply the city portion by a factor that will raise to the highway mpg. In other words the 22 miles were 100% city and city is about half of highway mpg (give or take depending on the city). So assume that you would have gone closer to 40 miles if that city was highway. That gives about 199 miles if your driving had been all highway. That is excellent for just over a quarter tank (most likely less than 5 gallons). You are right about 40 mpg and on target.

    Until you actually take a full tank highway trip or get a scanguage it is all speculation though.

    And I keep my tires at 38-40 psi. I checked them two days ago when it was about 20 degrees out and it was down to 30.5 I raised all 4 to 38. Of course when it is below zero they will be low again, but will be around 40 psi at 30 degrees or so.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    "If you are that interested in mpg then a scangauge is a must. Just buy one and install it. It will tell you all you need to know about mpg. www.scanguage.com."

    I just looked on the scangauge website and they have the "SCANGAUGE II"
    Is the Scangauge II the device that I should purchase or is there another type of Scangauge that you are referring to in your post? I want to make sure that I purchase the right Scangauge device.

    Also, how is the Scangauge device attached and connected to the vehicle? Do I need a mechanic to attach and connect the device? Will the Toyota dealer attach and connect the Scangauge device for me? I would like to know.

    THANKS
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    You plug it into the OBD plug under the drivers side dash., takes a second and easy to do It talks to the car computer.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    The scanguage II is the right one. It is the latest model.

    As Kiawah said it is very easy to install. Just plug it in. There is a small amount of setup, but anybody on this board should have no problem.
  • I try to carpool to work as much as possible. This really stretches out a tank of gas! :)
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