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Acura TL vs Lexus IS 350



  • hamlynhamlyn Posts: 22
    "At least I spelled TL correctly"

    That is NOT how you spell "IS" :P
  • Hey buddy- guess what, I am getting rid of my TL this coming summer and I have have Lexus written on my mind.

    I am going to wait for the GS350 (AWD) but in the interim I am also looking at the Audi A6 (4.2), the BMW 530 (xi) and also the Infiniti's M35 (AWD) but they need to re-do the taillights on this before I even consider it.

    If Acura make major upgrades to their TL (drivetrian especially) and RL then I will definitly add them to my short list.

    So for now, take it easy with the Lexus bashing because in a few months, the only thing you are going to be seeing while driving your TL (not the beasty Porsche)is the tail pipes of my GS 350.:)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Happy New Year Billy. Glad to see you haven't lost your drag racing competitiveness. :)

    So it sounds like you are going the route of AWD? If that's the case, I'm not going to concede anything to the tailpipes of a GS350 just yet, compared to my TL 6-speed. I had an RL loaner several months ago, and that extra weight (and automatic transmission) made for rather unimpressive acceleration. Perhaps Lexus will fare better with their slightly more powerful engine, but AWD is a lot of extra weight.

    Sure you don't want to go for a 550i 6-speed with extra winter tires? That would certainly shut me up until I figured out a way to trade the TL for an M5 ;)
  • Same to you Hab.

    I live in Connecticut so AWD fits my life style, I don't want an SUV so that is why I am opting for the AWD sedans.

    The 550i is nice but it is out of my price range for this year.Another thing is, I dont want a RWD car,all that winter tire stuff is a myth.
    I work with a lot of wealthy individuals and they all complain about their car been useless in the snowy seasons.

    But of course they all have alternative high end SUV's.

    If I move to Califonia or Florida, RWD vehicles will be top priority for me.
  • I am new to this board and am considering purchasing a Lexus GS430 after having driven an Acura TL. The key to my Acura loyalty was always that Acura seemed to provide excellent value for the money and maintenance costs are miniscule when compared to some other models. I used to drive a BMW and it cost me a FORTUNE in ongoing maintenance costs. Does anyone have an idea how maintenance costs compare between Lexus and Acura?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "maintenance costs compare between Lexus and Acura?"

    I've never owned a Lexus, but I would venture to guess the costs are similar -- neither of them should require much out-of-warranty repairs.

    I guess the trick to owning a BMW or one of the other Euro brands is to never get stuck with one out of warranty! :P
  • wscheewschee Posts: 18
    I had Acura TL 2003, and have a 2004 Lexus RX.
    I witnessed that there was variation of the maintenance cost among the Acura dealers.

    I believe that the cost of scheduled maintainence is more expensive for Lexus.
    However, with Lexus, you will know what you get is what you pay for. In almost every detail, Lexus is better than Acura in terms of service. For example, I paid $19.99 for oil change with coupon at Acura dealer. I should wait for the service in the waiting room without free soda. I made an appointment, but mostly my appointments were lost.
    At Lexus, I pay $39.99 for oild change (no coupons). I don' t wait since I am provied with a loaner or a camry rental.
    When I arrive at the Lexus dealer, there is a greeter who has my name on his list and guide me to the service manager for just signature (the service manage types all the documents in advance). Thus, I leave the dealer with 10 minutes. Then, I return around 6PM to pick my car up to return home.

    I had 2 recalls with TL including replacing timing belt when my TL had 150 miles. :cry: Then, there were no problems. However, my friends who had 2003 or earlier TL-S had transmission problems. (Lucky for me).

    With RX, I had 1 recall. However, I had several visits for various small problems (CD changer, Air Conditioner Noise (it was called 1100RPM noise), broken sun visor, rear gate noise, air suspension problem). Whenever I had these services at Lexus, they were covered by warranty and I was provided with RX or ES as a loaner car. For air suspension problem, I had to keep RX loaner car for 4 days.

    I truly believe that my Lexus dealer attracts the best people in town since I saw an excellent service manager who worked at Acura dealer move to my Lexus dealer.

    If you want to compare the cost, you just call the dealers and ask about 30,000 mile service or other schedule maintenance cost. They will tell you the cost.
  • You are making me really nervous now about purchasing a Lexus with all those realls.Warranty or not, that is a lot of recalls you encountered with the RX.

    I have had my 2003 TLS for about 4 years and only two problems- 1)Transmission replaced 2)inverter for the headlights replaced.

    Other than that, the car is flawless.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I've always thought Toyota reliability has been over-hyped. They're good, but not as good as people seem to make them out to be.
  • Although I have no experience with Lexus, my 04 TL, 6 sp manual, has been trouble free for close to 2 yrs, with no transmission vibrations other than my shifting gears improperly. I schedule oil changes every 5K miles, with the east TN dealer allowing me to provide synthetic oil (total for each oil change, $18). The recent 30,000 mile check-up cost was about $58. Otherwise, my 04 TL is near bullet-proof (knock on wood). I receive an Acura loaner at each service visit, assuming that I make an appointment about 2 weeks ahead. My car is washed if I request a wash. The east TN service department representatives are outstanding with client relations and with explainations on any warranty work that they find. The debate between Lexus service v. Acura service will be highly dependent on the competency of service department representatives at two dealers in the same town. You should have minimal problems with either the GS430 or the Acura TL, as long as preventive maintenance is done. Good luck with either car.
  • digital_bdigital_b Posts: 126
    acura tls of the previous gen had transmissions FAIL. this isnt a problem? lexus is the number one luxury brand in the world in reliability. if you think thats hype then what are facts? super hype? acura tls of the present generation have numerous quality issues if you care to go off site and google acura tl owners groups around the net. thats not hype. thats a fact. its not representative of acura as a whole but then again the tl is built in the same plant as the accord. in america. show us the same problems in any lexus model.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    show us the same problems in any lexus model.

    Care to check out the GX470 board and see the history of "clunking transmissions" and serious drive train vibrations?

    The GX470 was initially on our short list a year ago when it came time to replace our SUV. But two of our friends that had bought 2004 models had them bought back by Lexus - one after significant legal action. And of our other 3-4 friends/associates that have 2004/5 GX's, ALL of them notice some drive train vibration at certain speeds.

    Don't get me wrong, I make no excuses for Acura's automatic transmission problems. I also have a friend that went through two replacements on his 2002 TL. Fortunately, my wife and I prefer manuals, so we got a 2004 TL 6-speed and it has been perfect in all respects through 21,000 miles. But I did have to do a fair amount of research to confirm that the 2005 MDX has a different, redesigned automatic transmission.

    In my opinion, Lexus and Acura are comparable in product quality. Both generally very good, but neither perfect as transmission failures and the GX problems prove.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,487
    And lest we forget the Toyota/Lexus "Oil Sludge" problem.

    I agree with habitat, Lexus/Toyota & Acura/Honda are comparable in overall quality. There will always be a :lemon: or two in every run of a model (and who defines what constitutes an Acura or Lexus :lemon: , that lemon would probably be the best built GM car ever! :P ) Not all bad experiences will be posted about on the 'net, and one can't be sure that all posts on the 'net are truthul, either. Not to mention the squeeky wheel factor...

    Full disclosure:

    I drive an '05 TL. (So far) no tranny issues, no harmonic vibration, no leather issues. Yes to the faded/chalky dashboard although the dealer prettied it up at the "B" service and one rattle, also taken care of at "B" service.
    There are two other TLs and an MDX in the family, no issues (tranny) to report.

    Evil wife drives an '02 RX300. No real issues to date (had to replace the OEM tires around 40k, new battery a month ago), but there are a few rattles. No sludge that I'm aware of ;) .

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    I suggest you visit the ES330 boards and will soon encounter the problems with transmissions that you so eagerly are looking for.... :P
  • this is what happens when companies take cars that are NOT luxury models and try to make them into one. examples? honda accord into acura TL. toyota camry into es 330. toyota 4runner into gx 470. so is toyota as arrogant in these cases as honda? [nice pinched 'h' logo on the "acuras" huh] yes. so it just goes to show that the TL is not a luxury car. made in the same marysville ohio plant as the accord. and gee, isnt it funny how the newest accord takes on more styling cues and hardware from the TL? well its not really funny but its true. so this is why non luxury models sully the luxury brand. however acura is not the equal of lexus. period.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,487
    Are you buying a car or a badge? I bought a TL because it is the car I wanted, badge is of no import. I mean, my last car was a Chrysler!

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Taking your analysis one step further;

    If by what you are saying is accurate ( which IMO don't think is), like changing the "honda accord into a acura tl" and then subsequently concluding that the "TL is not a luxury car," then one can also assume and conclude incorrectly that the ES330 is not a luxury car or the GX470 is not a luxury Sport-ute :confuse:

    I know this board is not about comparing the ES330 and GX 470 to the TL, but please, let's draw the line with illogical and erroneous conclusions, can we?

    You don't like Acura and that's your opinion. Personally, the Honda Accord IMO is a fine vehicle and if you want to compare it to a TL, then I will take that as a compliment because I drive a TL and am 100% happy with its combination of performance, luxury, power, handling & reliability.

    Let's get back to comparing the two vehicles in this forum shall we?

    Too bad Lexus doesn't build the IS350 with a manual gearbox, wouldn't you agree? It would make it a real contender. At least the TL can be classified as an "Entry Level Luxury PERFORMANCE Sedan" even with FWD :P What would you characterize the IS, an "Entry Level Luxury Sedan?"
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    You are absolutely right. Acura is not the equal of Lexus and Honda is not the equal of Toyota. To their credit, both Lexus and Toyota have achieved amazing market share with the most boring to drive vehicles in the world. Well built, for sure, but for the most part, completely devoid of "driving" enjoyment.

    The last Toyota I owned was a 1984 Supra. Not a world class sports car/GT by today's standards, but pretty damn good for 22 years ago. What the hell has happened since? Toyota has 14 models. 8 of them are trucks/SUV's and a minivan. Of the remaining 6 cars, there isn't the remotest semblance of a fun to drive, sporty car in the bunch. The Solara is more embarassing than a comb over - and appeals to the same demographic.

    Lexus? 9 models. Of the 6 cars, not much better. The SC430 - Perry Como is too young to find that car exciting. The GS - looks like it wants to compete with the 5 series, but don't turn on the key or if you do, stay far away from a winding road. The ES330 - now that really is a Camry in a tuxedo. Ah, but wait, now we have the new IS. They took away the boy racer aesthetics. But then they went bipolar. Gave an underpowered engine to the 250 and put a slushbox only transmission choice in the 350. Oh, and the back seat? Exactly 4 inches less legroom than the 3-series. Why this forum even exists is puzzling. Why not the "Lexus IS350 vs. the Porsche 911S"? I can get my kids into the back of ours just as easily.

    Look, in the spirit of Fox's "fair and balanced" approach to debate, I am not going to deny that Toyota/Lexus (and Honda/Acura) make mostly very high quality products. But if you are going to be so ignorant as to claim "Acura is not the equal of Lexus", I'm going to point out that at just shy of 50, you would have to put a gun to my head to get me to buy an LS430. I'm not that old that I need the automotive equivalent of Sominex.

    So where are we? You're tickled pink driving an old fart's car. I'm a disgruntled driving enthusiast whose only chance at buying a Lexus faded when the GX470 didn't work out. Honda and Toyota and Lexus and Acura make the most reliable cars on the planet. Take that as the only thing we will probably ever agree on. Period.
  • perhaps you should not be so quick to analyze my post if you dont understand it. nowhere did I say I dislike acura. the analogy between the statement I made about the TL and accord is accurate. so your extrapolation about the ES and GX is also accurate. dont try to tell someone what their opinion is unless they have stated it. You like your TL. good for you. I live in the city and I HATE manual transmissions. the DSG box audi/vw has sounds like a better alternative once it migrates to other brands that is. the reason I am currently negotiating on an IS350 that is almost exactly the same spec as the TL I once owned is because its better than the TL and not simply a derivative of a common car.
  • you and anyone else who doesn't like lexus can say whatever you want. the bottom line is this. lexus stands alone [at least in north america] as the premier luxury brand. period. you can legitimately argue for bmw and mercedes based on whatever it is about those brands you like. it is ignorant to even attempt to put acura is that echelon but if you want to you can. ignorance is bliss but facts are facts. you can say the IS has less legroom in the rear than the bmw 3 series. yay. the 3 and the IS are comparable. the TL and the IS are not. and if I was 'tickled pink driving an old farts car' then I wouldn't be looking for and IS. you simply have no clue about the appeal of the LS.
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