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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion



  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I was talking about Sonata's only being maxd out@ 400K if they can reach that..The production of Alabama and some imports..

    This was all in response to one poster who stated categorically that Hyundai would blow by HonYota and all of Detroit an soon be #1 here. I am certain this is not likely in the near future for all the reasons in the last 30 posts. They might be a solid 6th!!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Since other people have commented on how many Sonatas are sold to fleets, it's fair to note of the Corolla... I see a lot of those when I rent cars from Hertz (in fact I get a lot of them from Hertz, unfortunately).

    But for the people who find the seating position of the Corolla tolerable, it is a good little car--economical, smooth ride, reliable, peppy enough, good safety options available (side bags/curtains, ABS, even VSC). But "best in class" with the Civic and Mazda3? Sorry, I don't think so.

    P.S. didn't the latest Corolla debut in early 2002, as a 2003 model--four years ago?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yep due for renewal this time next year, prolly as a 2008 model
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "I was talking about Sonata's only being maxd out 400K if they can reach that..The production of Alabama and some imports.."

    Well, Hyundai execs would roll on the floor if Sonata reached "only" 400k. That would make it the best selling sedan in the U.S.
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    You never answered the question though. Are you going to
    sell the 2007 Camry for around invoice? I doubt it.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Nope 2nd behind the Camry... But yes that's the cornerstone of what they have to do to emulate Toyota.

    But then they have to build 3 or 4 more plants like that and max them all out to catch Toyota today.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Be realistic.. in the beginning No! 3-6 months from now almost for certain.

    It doesnt help me but it helps the owner. So if he says move all the Camry's and keep a 20 day supply the GSM will be all over that order. It also makes the process a lot easier and the customers a lot more relaxed and satisfied.

    BTW just to be clear, Toyota doesnt give a whit of what happens with the retail prices. When the Camry is shipped they have their money. After that it's between the dealer and the buyer.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    If the Sonata sold 400k, it would be the best selling sedan in this segment.

    Toyota says that 85% of Camry sales are sedans.

    85% of 431,703 is 366,948.

    So Camry sedan sales in 2005 was about 367,000.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yep you tripped me up there.. :D .... and if ....
  • Yes its funny to see all the people having difficulty accepting Hyundai as the new kid on the block. Just wait until he Chinese unlease their fury.
    Guys this has just started!!!
  • Thanks to you and the graduate,
    I hadn't considered looking at things that way. It makes sense when you see the picture that way. :)
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    People don't have accept anything. I can't wait until he Chinese unlease their fury too.

    And what has just started? People wanting choices? The auto market is constantly changing. Look at Ford.
  • According to what I read in Wall Street, Hyundai ownes KIA. The new task for Hyundai is how to brand each line.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Zen, do me a favor. Go to Google. Type in "Honda problems".. Then come back an preach about Honda's great reliability.. What about the first year of the Odessey? or better yet the recalls for transmission issues on the Accords, Odesseys? or what about the CRV engine fires that are still happening?? Go to and take at look at the TSB's for Honda, all years, all vehicles.. You are going to be surprised.. What about the Honda Pilot test vehicle that broke down during Edmunds testing??
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    No one said Honda's are perfect. Yes, they have their flaws here and there, but they're more reliable than Ford's according to both JD powers and CR. How about you type in Ford recalls, I think they're the automaker with the most recalls in 2005.

    Let's see what Ford's doing lately...
    Ford to cut up to 30,000 jobs, idle 14 plants
    Struggling automaker seeks to reverse $1.6 billion loss in 2005

    Click here
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    I have a 2005 Honda CR-V. Made in England. Guess what?
    No recalls. No fires. Honda almost immediately pinpointed
    the cause of the fires, and sent me a notice about it.
    This would have taken Ford 10 years, and probably
    20 or 30 deaths. Also, I believe Honda or the dealers
    took responsibility for the fires, unlike Ford. There
    is no comparison. Try googling Honda fires, then
    Ford fires. If you want to see which has more. Remember
    the Pinto?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    We're talking about the Sonata, the Accord, the Camry and the Fusion here ... let's try to resist the urge to wander all around the other vehicles the manufacturers produce.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I stopped into the Ford dealer I bought my current 2000 Taurus SES from and got a good look at the Fusion in the showroom. The car has simply awesome styling, inside and out and seems to be very spacious and functional, from the dash layout to the trunk. From a styling standpoint, the Fusion is really a knockout and in my opinion is tremendously better looking than Accord, Camry, Maxima, Sonata, or any current GM or Chrysler product in this size range.

    They had about 8 of them in stock and had posted on the showroom glass their "no-dicker" prices for each, which ranged from $2k-$3k off MSRP. Fusion is priced right and I believe will be a big winner for Ford. Looks like you could get a V-6 version out the door for $20K plus or minus $1K or so, if you didn't go hog wild with the bells and whistles.

    Too bad my Taurus is only just getting broken in, now at 5 years and 55K miles! I won't be in the market for another 4-5 years.
  • That is exactly right Ford, GM, Chrysler, AMC No longer the "Kings of the Hill" and who would have thunkit only a few years ago! Stand by we are in for one heck of a ride!!!!!
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