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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion

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  • zed421vzed421v Posts: 28
    Just drove my 2006 Sonata V6 from Philadelphia to New Hampshire and back. It is one very quiet car. Power was good seats were good. Only problem was my radio. It would sometimes static. When I took it in radio didn't static. They replaced it anyway. Have 2004 Camry outside temp gauge not accurate. Toyota said live with it. They could learn from Hyundai.
  • I've read the Edmunds "2006 Hyundai Sonata vs. 2005 Honda Accord vs. 2005 Toyota Camry", and it seems that the Sonata V6 is being compared to 4-cyl models, both Accord and Camry. If somebody sees it differently, please correct me. Otherwise, we should be reading an apples-to-apples comparison . . .

    We own a 1999 Accord EX V6 and have had absolutely no problems in 5 years. It gives us a combined gas mileage of 21mpg. We expect that a 2005 or 2006 model would be an improvement over that, but we cannot afford to buy the same model new car, and are considering the Hyundai V6. However, the owner-reported actual gas mileage for the Hyundai does not seem to be that great.

    Can anybody else report on their Hyundai V6 gas mileage?

    --n
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    There are two ways that auto publications usually do comparison tests, more or less. The first way is to buy vehicles at a similar price point, and compare performance, execution, features, etc. Thats what happened in this comparison test. Otherwise, and this is what CR usually does.... they equip vehicles similar and gauge value based on price variations. Had edmunds.com used an Accord and Camry V6, they would have been $24K.

    Personally, Im not a fan of edmunds.com comparison tests, but I thought this one was well done (The more cars tested, it seems, the more trouble edmunds has writing a credible review, free of factual errors, etc.)

    ~alpha
  • Another factor is that few of the 2006 Sonatas are fully broken in yet - defintely a factor in fuel mileage results. How well you'd take to a Hyundai is another issue to consider. Sonatas aren't bad, but, they're no Accord, either. I came to my '03 Sonata after I totaled my '96 Accord. My Sonata's been trouble free, but the Accord was a better "driver's car" - and utterly reliable for over six years, itself. The new Sonatas may well be an improvement in roadholding - but I've had no time behind the wheel of one to establish a personal reference. I've been criticized on this forum for not being a loyal Hyundai Sonata pom-pon "booster", but where a $20,000.00+ purchase is concerned coming from a competitive make with an established track record, I'd rather tell it like I've found it and take the lumps from a few die-hard, vocal, Hyundai "uber all" loyalists, than have someone expensively disappointed by overly enthusiastic comments from me.

    My '03 Sonata V-6 was rated by the EPA to deliver 19 mpg city/27 mpg highway. At nearly 16,000 miles clocked, I'm getting 22+ mpg city/31 mpg highway. The '06 Sonata V-6s are rated (I believe) by the EPA at 22 mpg city/30 mpg highway. Once broken in, they should do a bit better than their EPA ratings which are on the conservative side.
  • I live in a rural area, so, most miles are hiway miles at 55-70 mph. We have 2700 miles on our 2006 Sonata LX V6 and get 30 mpg when driving conservatively on state hiways at the posted 55 mph where the small towns are 6 miles apart. Freeway speeds of 70 mph reduce that to just under 29 mpg. Did get 33 mpg with a strong tail wind.
  • oldjoeoldjoe Posts: 132
    CR is less than enthusiastic about the new Sonata. The newest issue of the comprehensive CR Auto guide doesn't even publish the normal CR reliability matrix. Their early review of the 2006 Sonata points out less than stellar handling and the new engine/transmissions. After reading the article, I chuckled at another Toyota/Honda wannabe's analysis. It looks like the 2006 Sonata is better compared to the Chevy Malibu/Mitsubishi Gallant/Mazda 6/Subaru sedans, rather than Toyota/Honda. I'll have to give Hyundai credit, it's not a bad effort for a ship building corporation whose sideline is autos and should appeal to those only shopping for price and warranty, not high resale and long-term reliability. Price rules many households and should have a good effect on Sonata sales.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    I have driven the new Sonata twice actually, once during a test drive and another time with my friend. I have to say, I was impressed.

    If you were to give me a choice between the Camry and Sonata. I would go for the Sonata. But if you were to give me a choice between the Accord and Sonata I would go for the Accord.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    What do you mean by "high resale", number of dollars or value as a % of the price paid? A few months ago I looked into Edmunds projected resale for Sonata, Accord & Camry. The difference compared to the price paid was next to nothing. That was based on the '05 Sonata, Accord & Camry. Who knows what the '06's will do?
  • ctalk said:

    "If you were to give me a choice between the Camry and Sonata. I would go for the Sonata. But if you were to give me a choice between the Accord and Sonata I would go for the Accord. "

    Number 1: Accord
    Number 2: Sonata
    Number 3: Camry

    Is that was you are saying ? If so, I would tend to agree.

    MidCow
  • In my "humble" opinion resale value (and trade-in value by extension) statistics may give an idea what used cars are "worth" as a guide, but are essentially meaningless once the issue comes down to an individual owner's sample, how desirable the car is generally, and the time of month when the dealer may be pressured to move stock. A car, like any commodity, is only worth what someone else or a dealer is willing to pay. Even Kelley Blue Book evaluations can be (and are) fudged by dealership evaluators and/or sales managers.
  • I second that. I just completed the 1200 mile run-in and changed to M1 5-20 at 900 miles. After a very high speed run between Boston & Maine I am very impressed by this car. Extremely quiet and stable, everything works. The engine seems to be loafing at 2,500 - 3,000 RPM (you will have to buy the car to calculate what speed that translates into).

    The car simply reeks of intelligent design and carefully calculated choices. For example some of the interior trim may not be as fancy as a Lexus but the engine is right up there. Frankly I would rather pay for that. The interior room is great--it swallowed my wife & three kids (10, 8, & 5) with no problem.

    At the price point where its at its untouchable. I shopped it very carefully against the 2005 Accord and Camry Solara and cost was not the main issue....value was. I am delighted with my choice.
  • I think Sonata is improving over years and 06 is a good improvement but still honda's/toyota's are more refined and keep their values better over years. I drove 03 camry and just purchased 05 accord. I did consider Sonata 06 but if you are consdering 4cyl then I guess you can't do bad with both toyotas and honda(I felt Sonata may be 1k cheaper but wouldn't hold it's value after 5 years and I am not that confident that it will run trouble free). V6 Sonata does seems to be good value as it is priced much less than Toyotas and Honda's it the same class.(almost 2-3 k)

    I am also not sure about trouble free driving with Sonata's as Honda's and Toyota's can run trouble free for years though Sonata has 10 years warranty.
  • I'm curious - did you use your '03 Camry as a trade-in? If so, which engine and what did the dealer allow? I have an '03 Sonata with the 2.7L V-6 and the Kelley Blue Book value on my low mileage, ding-free, corrosion-free, California, car (just under 16,000 miles, purchased new in December 2002) is already down to around $9,500 dollars. I'm not complaining because I knew full well going in that the only way to extract full value out of a Hyundai is to drive it out of the vehicle over 6-8 years.
  • I have 90k on my 2000 sonata so at what point my wheels fall off now!!!
  • The point at which you hear loud scraping noises and experience sudden loss of steering control. ;) Not sure you posted in the correct board, banditboy, but to answer your question, there's no hard and fast rule. The probability of engine mechanical trouble at whatever point in any car's life is directly proportional to how thouroughly it was mistreated or poorly maintained as a "youngster" - no different from people. If you've followed the owner's manual "severe service" recommendations on routine maintenance and used the recommended fluids religiously, and driven the car moderately, the engine could still have well over 200,000 more mechanically trouble-free miles in it. Hyundai transmissions are particularly susceptible to abuse, though. Suspension links and sealed units such as wheel bearings and CVJs are a crapshoot on any car after 70,000 miles.
  • I had a hard time deciding between the three, but ultimately went with the Accord. The reasons may not be the best but there were just a couple of things I couldn't shake and that I don't see much talk of on the board.

    1. No one seems to have mentioned so far that the insurance on the Sonata is higher than either the Accord or the Camry. For me it was 10 bucks a month difference. Not a huge problem, but for some drivers in certain parts of the country the differences may be greater.

    Couple that with the higher gas usage (assuming you get the V6 [because there are no real great reviews of the 4]) and the Sonata is just more expensive to drive every month.

    2. Maybe its just me, but the radio is just plain ugly. I know the Accord has its own oddities with the volume control between the AC, but it is no where near as sad to look at as the Sonata. Maybe that's just petty, but I couldn't look at that thing every day for the next few years.

    3. The ding. Maybe its a safety thing, but the seatbelt off reminder is sooo painful, and does not stop.

    In sum, I'm not against the Hyundai at all, my wife drives a Tucson and loves it and I wish them only the best. Maybe a year or two out when the little bugs are worked out and the cosmetics have changed I'll trade out my Accord, but until then I'm plenty happy in a very reliable, comfortable ride that is still very safe.
  • No, I still drive my Camry and Accord LX was replacement with 2001 Civic EX which I sold for 10600 to a private buyer. My wife is a primary driver for Accord. I think you are right- about resale value for Hyundai but I have to tell you that dealer was offering me 7k for my nicely maintained 2001 Civic EX with 49 k miles when KBB was between 10700-11200 and I sold to a private buyer for 10600 within few days of my ad on line.

    I guess resale values are much higher for toyotas and hondas compare to Hyundai and when you do want to sell them you will have tough time finding a buyer.
  • One indicator of Hyundai's dismal desirability is that I've never seen a lowered, tricked-out, custom painted Sonata or Elantra with resonnant fart pipes, mammoth wide wheels with 40 series rubber, dark tinted windows, and a blarring giga-watt audio system with more 12" woofers hiding in the trunk than the engine has cylinders, rolling down mainstream or ethnic cruising strips on weekends. Not that I actually care, but not ONE. On the flip side, the remote entry/alarm system is probably superfluous. Only a blind moron would steal a Sonata. These are "Lawrence Welk" cars. Why, as someone pointed out on one of the Accord boards, Sonatas cost more to insure than Accords, is a mystery worthy of a novel by "The DaVinci Code"'s author.

    (And if, per chance, I ever do witness such a spectacle, I expect the audio system will be drowned out by streetside laughter.)
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    <(And if, per chance, I ever do witness such a spectacle, I expect the audio system will be drowned out by streetside laughter.)>

    Actually, I laugh every time I see a tricked out Honda, or any other Asian compact "boy racer" car. There are plenty of other stock vehicles that could blow their doors off!

    There are certainly some glitches in the 2006 Sonata design, but I think Hyundai will iron them out very quickly. Place more radio controls on the steering wheel, move the rear speakers from the rear doors to the parcel shelf, make the power driver's seat standard (all as per Camry LE), as well as some mechanical/suspension tweaks and I think Hyundai will have a serious competitor. Given a first year car, Sonata is an excellent product, and will only get better with time. Both Honda and Toyota should be concerned with the direction of the Korean car companies.

    Come to think of it, I also get a big kick at all the vehicles with giant wheels, spinner wheel covers, etc. I just don't get it. A serious waste of money . . ., and they just look hilarious.
  • Someone mentioned why they tested the 4 cylinder camry/accord but the V6 Sonata. Read the review. It says that they went for the same price of each car. I believe the Sonata ended up being the cheapest in this comparison, yet still had all this great stuff. I am very impressed by Hyundai at this point. It doesnt quite have the same thing that the accord has, but for the price, its sure close enough. And Id rather have it than a 4 cylinder Accord.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    The one service irritant about my '03 Sonata V6 is that for do-it-yourselfers, the rear bank of cylinders (nearest the firewall) are directly under the intake plenum chamber ("surge tank" in Hyundai parlance). It's physically impossible to access the spark plugs on these three cylinders without dismantling the plenum chamber and cast-in runners from the intake manifold first - a nightmare for all but the bravest souls. Though they aren't as powerful or as smooth running as a V-6, 4-bangers are a piece of cake to work on.
  • We have new 2006 Sonata. We like everything but the gas mileage. The best I have done on the expressway is 21 MPG. We are very disappointed with the economy.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    How many miles on the engine so far? (and which engine?) If less than 5,000 miles, things'll seem disappointing initially. Hyundai sets their engines up "tight" - to the point they, alone among car makers, recommend a 1,200 mile break-in of moderate speed driving. My '03 V-6 didn't get close to the EPA stated fuel mileage initially, but, now at 16,000 miles, it's 4 mpg above the stated EPA fuel mileage in both city and highway driving. It's only about 1 1/2 mpg less than I was getting with my '96 Accord 4-cyl - not a bad "penalty" for 40 extra ponies.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,731
    Sonata gets four 5-star ratings on frontal and side crash tests--only the Five Hundred and Galant did as well:

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3754.html
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    noticed something.

    The 2004 Accord got 4/5 for Side
    The 2005 Accord got 4/4 for Side

    The 2004 was not equipped with SAB
    The 2005 was equipped with SAB

    2004 Crash Test
    2005 Crash Test

    Do they use a different rating system for cars w/o SABs?
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    The NHTSA side test is a joke. For one thing, even though forces on the dummies' heads are measured, they aren't considered for the "star" ratings. Secondly, NHTSA counts only forces on the thorax and pelvis toward the ratings, even though head injuries cause the most deaths in real-world side impact crashes. Finally, their barrier simulates the front end of a car, so it's not high enough to strike the dummies' heads directly, as would be true for a large truck or SUV. Side airbags are most beneficial in protecting the head, by interposing a cushion between the intruding object and the head.

    So, wait until the IIHS releases their side tests -- much more informative. The Accord for example was rated Good with side airbags and Poor without (of course, as of 2005 side airbags are standard in the Accord). The Camry had the same outcome - Good with, Poor without side airbags.
  • As I drive my 2004Camry SE listening to the dashboard rattle, and the rear suspension thump my wife drives her Sonata. Her Sonata is quiet no suspension problems good engine. I also think it will out handle my Camry. The Camry will have a higher resale value but I like a car that I will enjoy and that goes to the Sonata.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    A post and a reply were moved to a more appropriate discussion: romanc54, "Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier" #2805, 16 Sep 2005 9:43 pm.
  • Back in Jan 2004 I bought a 2004 Accord LX-V6 for 20,900 + TTL with side airbags, ABS, and upgraded to the EX wheels after the fact for $280 (bought them off a Honda dealer on Ebay). The price might be a few hundred more now, but the car comes with many of the EX features (minus the leather and sunroof) for $3000+ less. I consider it the best bargain in the Accord lineup, but they can be tough to locate. Hyundai's are not going to hold their value like Honda or Toyota... period! You need to look at the true cost of ownership in addition to the sticker price.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,731
    Yes, you need to look at total cost of ownership, including the respective purchase prices (not sticker prices). But let's compare apples to apples here, instead of a two-year-old Accord to a '06 Sonata. The MSRP of the '06 Accord LX V6 is $25,650. There are no current incentives. Invoice is not yet published on Edmunds.com. The comparably equipped '06 Sonata GLS V6 (including a moonroof, but not a CD changer) lists for $22,995, invoice $21,213. There are currently $2000 in incentives ($1000 for HMFC financing, $1000 loyalty or competitive rebate) plus the usual specialty rebates for military and students which I won't count because not many people will qualify for those. So $3500 off MSRP is not unrealistic. That would put the Sonata at about $19,500. Even if you could get $2000 off list on the Accord, it would be an over $4000 price advantage to the Sonata. Even with better resale value on the Accord, that's a big amount of money to make up.
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