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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    No, but I was about to ask the same thing about Accord owners. I don't recall a Hyundai owner coming here and saying things like, "You gotta be kidding me" about people who choose cars other than a Hyundai. As for panache, the Sonata has tons more panache in my view than the Accord. To each his own.
  • And for the most part its been a good car, but I still prefer the Accord over everything else in this class, especially the 06 Accord models.

    But you can't beat the Hyundai's value these days. The only glaring fault I have with Hyundai is the fact that you can't get a manual on anything but the GL models (that's not an issue for the MAJORITY of buyers in this class) and the interior is subpar in design IMO.

    But other than that, I like the Sonata just fine...but the Accord has always been my pic.

    I'm actually looking for an Accord now. I was in yet ANOTHER wreck (a girl hit me in my 1991 Honda Accord and its totaled) so I've gotta find a replacement for it.

    I'm looking at 96-97 EX models now.
  • As for panache, the Sonata has tons more panache in my view than the Accord. To each his own.

    That must be some view. Can your Sonata travel forward in time to a year where it has more "panache" than the Accord ? (like 2012 maybe)

    Anyway, the Sonata has come a long way and I'm looking forward to the next generation (as well as the 8th-gen Accord).Unlike some Sonata/Accord owners, I try to keep it real. :shades:
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Don't see many Sonatas here either. I think Hyundai's paid their dues tho and are starting to compete with the big boys by upping their engineering in their cars. But there's no denying the Accord's clout. And the 07 Camry will stir the punchbowl big time. Fusion? No clue yet.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    I don't have to travel forward in time to have an opinion that the Sonata has more panache than the Accord. I respect the opinions of those who prefer the Accord. It would be nice to get the same treatment on my views, but I guess that is too much to ask.

    Why do I think the Sonata has more panache than the Accord? Classier exterior styling is the main reason, with a much bolder front end, an Audi-esque roofline, and little touches like the elliptical twin exhausts. I also prefer the lighter-colored dash of the Sonata to the black interior of the Accord. And I find panache in clever design details like the articulated trunk lid, Shiftronic automatics, and ESC on all models. Is that "real" enough for you? If not, too bad.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    We also have a Hyundai store in our group. Their marketing has found the following telling stats.
    48% of prospective midsized buyers have heard positive things of the Sonata but won't come in to compare it;
    12% will never consider it under any circumstance;
    40% are open to trying it.

    The stated goal is to be $4000 under Camry and offer nearly everything standard
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Well, that explains the rebates, doesn't it? ;)
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    ..is they're not selling despite the rave reviews online such as those here at Edmunds. I've seen six on the road in the first two months after their introduction. I haven't seen anymore since. Paneche, whatever the word's dictionary definition, means squat if the cars aren't moving off dealer lots in a market such as southern California. So far, it appears to me that Hyundai layed an egg. Flame away, folks - it matters not one whit... :P
  • Sonata US sales

    October 05 9,676
    October 04 8,589

    CY 05 95,296
    CY 04 92,454

    That looks like they are selling to me. Keep in mind, 9700 cars in one month spread over the lower 48 means there still aren't a lot of the new model compared to other popular vehicles and this version has only been on sale in the US since May. Give them a year or so to reach a higher penetration level and then tell us how many you see(or don't see) on the road. ;)
  • Wow,

    Been following the thread for a while, and man...! People think that politics can get heated and ugly! It seems to have turned into the "Backy and the Hyundai crew vs. the Honda guys w/ the Fusion and Camry people in (guys if you want to stop arguing my car is pretty good mode)" forum.

    Everybody has the right to free speech but it discourages people from gleaning information from the forum because of the arguing....

    just my .02 cents

    killerpiece
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    which one do you like? :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    We'd love to read your contributions to the discussion. Have you driven any of these cars? What is YOUR opinion?

    BTW, if you want information on the cars, a better place to find it is on the discussions for each car, where people discuss the CAR and (usually) not "this car vs. other cars".
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Just fun and games my friend. Its "free speech" to state that I think the Accord is better than the other 3. The topic is "vs".

    They're all good cars tho (altho the Fusion is too new to really tell yet.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    my local observation is that people buy hondas until they decide they can afford what they really want. 1 person did replace their accord with another accord. the wife swapped hers for a lexus.
  • You're taking it as if I attacked YOU personally, I'm not saying that anybody is wrong, It is just my opinion that people should be debating not arguing.... My post was not intended to point fingers at a person.... but to give an outsiders perspective on the direction the forum has taken.... nothing more.

    killerpiece
  • Part of the buying decision with a $20K mainly family car purchase is how reliable will it be on the days the outside temperature hits 98 degrees in the shade or -10 degrees in a snowstorm. So in that context right now, my money has always been on either a Camry or Honda - styling, ride and handling the tie breaker. The next factor is the service and dealer's attitude when there's a warranty issue. I can't say that I'm thrilled with my Toyota dealer :mad: (a certain Amityville Long Island dealer on Sunrise Hiway near the "Atlantic" ocean - stay away...). Hyundai dealers right now don't have much of a reputation and the car's overall rep is poor due to their prior product's quality, so while Hyundai offers a great warranty, their service is an unknown and fairly frequent model changes keep things up in the air...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    I don't feel attacked personally, although you did single me out, did you not? How many other people are involved in the discussion here? Lots.

    Two posts but no contributions to the discussion. Are you interested in this discussion, or just like popping in to tell those of us who are interested in the topic how we should behave? :)
  • Not too many out here, understandable that the Accord:Sonata ratio is around 4:1 following the Accord's 400k/year average sales and tenpin288's stats.

    Drove a friend's fully loaded Sonata V6 few months ago, and think it's a viable, practical proposition. Firm, full seats, nothing jarring visually or otherwise with the dash or other interior areas. Ride is controlled but comfortable. Exterior is best dark imo until Hyundai achieves the styling and proportion astuteness of, say, Mazda.

    It may not have the cachet of the Accord - yet - but it's probably just a matter of time (particularly if Hyundai starts to spend in racing development).
  • There's a fine line between debating and arguing. Some posters here have a difficult time staying on the debating side of that line. That's normal behavior for most people who are passionate about something such as a transport appliance. ;)
    (keeping it "real")

    Backy, take a chill pill and relax. I respect your opinions even if it doesn't seem that way. I just feel the Accord is better and I'm not alone. I'm glad Hyundai added VSC to all Sonata models since I hope this will lead to Toyota & Honda responding in kind with the next generations of their respective vehicles. Shiftronic - be honest with me, most people don't even use it, they just put the vehicle into "D" and drive (that's what a Hyundai dealer told me).

    Hyundai targeted the Camry and they hit it dead-on with the new Sonata. That's a great achievement for Hyundai and they should be proud. Perhaps, in 5-10 years, I'll be driving the next-gen Sonata myself. I just don't feel that the current Sonata matches up as well as it could have with the Accord.

    BTW, why did Hyundai have to target the Camry so perfectly and eliminate the folding side-mirrors ? I live in New York and need folding mirrors for my car elevator.

    Peace.
  • I included you name in the post because you seem to be the most vigorous pro Sonata poster here.....

    If you want my opinion on the cars here you go.....

    The Sonata, while greatly improved over the previous gen. car is a middle of the pack performer when comparing V6 models.

    On interiors, the Accord and the Camry have better fit/finish and solidness then the Sonata, but the Sonata is better than the Fusion (so far).

    In the exterior styling category, the Fusion takes top honors with the 06 Accord a close second. The Sonata ranks above the Camry here.

    On the driving experience, the Accord edges out the Fusion (but I may change my mind with the new 3.5). The Sonata and the Camry come in behind them, with the Camry offering superior isolation and the Sonata offering the better driving experience of the two.

    You wanted my opinion, you got it.... I originally refrained from giving it because I wished not to be labeled ANTI-Sonata.... because I'm not.... It just doesn't suit my tastes.

    killerpiece
  • Oh, by the way.....

    I am interested in this discussion....

    If I wasn't, I wouldn't be posting....

    I didn't post before because I was enjoying the healthy debate and I didn't feel the need to contribute. But, when the discussion turned from healthy debate to arguing I posted my opinion about it.

    This might come up so I'll say it now....

    If I had to choose right now I would put an '06 Accord in my garage.

    killerpiece
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Thanks, good summary.

    It's interesting, though... when someone favors the Sonata, it's "arguing". When someone favors the Accord, it's "debating." ;)
  • smith20smith20 Posts: 256
    I don't feel like you've been lurking very long if you feel Backy degenerates into baseless argument. People like Backy who see merit in Hyundai and its offerings have been dealing with anti-Hyundai bias for years now and it undeniably exists in this thread.

    Please see this exemplary message:
    Wow. Are there really people out there that would pick the Hyundai over the Honda? You gotta be kidding me.
    -goodegg 11/8/05 4:09pm

    What irritates me is the shallow oh-my-gosh-nobody-should-ever-pick-a-Hyundai-over-a-Honda/Toyota attitude exhibited by some people. I think a lot of people who support (and enjoy) Hyundai's efforts to improve their vehicles recognize that there are many situations/preferences of people that would be best to purchase a Honda or Toyota offering such as the Accord or Camry, however there is in general very little reciprocation from Honda/Toyota supporters to see that it can actually make sense for a person to purchase a car such as the Hyundai Sonata as their best option.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    to stick to talking about the actual cars and drop the talking about each other part, okay?
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Backy - you made him/her say it. Honda Accord. The Sonata just isn't high on the wish list of many car buyers yet- but is apparently gaining popularity. It's OK to want the best. Honda delivers it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    my local observation is that people buy hondas until they decide they can afford what they really want. 1 person did replace their accord with another accord. the wife swapped hers for a lexus.

    Interesting. One of my neighbors was widowed recently, and left in control of a large and reputable glass company in the B'ham area. She sold the company to her husband's former business partner, as well as sold her house to buy a newer one in a much more upscale neighborhood (Greystone, in case you are familiar with Birmingham). She traded in her Acura RL and her husband's Corvette, and bought an Accord EX-V6 Navi, which she said she got a $2,000 off MSRP (I think in the low 27s). It goes both ways, I guess.

    You can be Mr. Negative all you like, explorerx4, please, continue on in you Honda bashing without bringing something else to the table. THANKS! ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    That's cool if you want to settle for Honda as the best. Me, I'll stick to the Ultimate Driving Machine, BMW, as my view of "the best". I'd rather have a 3 Series than any Honda product--although the RL is pretty slick. :)

    I agree the Sonata isn't on the wish list of all that many buyers yet. Based on those stats posted a few days ago, I think many people have a block about even looking at a Hyundai. So here's an idea: offer buyers a cash bonus if they test drive a Sonata and then buy a competitor within a certain time period, say 30 days. Make it substantial, at least $100 USD. That would be one way to bring people biased towards other makes into the showroom and at least give the Hyundai dealer a fighting chance. That might work better than offering such large rebates, since the problem isn't that people think Hyundais cost less than Accord etc., but many have the dated impression that Hyundais are junk. Even if fewer than 1 in 10 people who take the offer wind up getting a Sonata, it would cost the same to Hyundai as a $1000 rebate. And it would let Hyundai draw traffic to the showrooms while beginning to move pricing up. This is not a new idea, but I don't know that Hyundai has tried it before. It would also show confidence in their products. If it doesn't work out, they can withdraw it after a month or two.
  • tyguytyguy ColoradoPosts: 818
    Hyundai didn't have to incentivize me to look at the Sonata. I've been a HonToy owner consistently since 1991, and I bought the Sonata because I think it's the better car. Superior to the Accord, Camry, Fusion, Altima, and 6. Each option has an edge in some way, and I found the Sonata's advantages were more important to me (safety features, styling, interior volume, trunk size, power, fuel economy, value, etc...). My choice was more than a hypothetical purchase. I plunked down my hard-earned cash after considerable research and numerous back-to-back test drives.

    I've seen past my misconceptions about current HonToy competition and I'm not looking back. The Sonata is a genuine pleasure to drive, as are models from Subaru, Mazda, Ford, Chrysler, and other most other mid-range providers. The marketplace is being flooded with quality sedans and we're all the beneficiaries. Now, instead of trying to find the "one good car," it's a matter of finding the best option for YOU. It's a great time to be a shopper in the sedan market.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I think the Honda is the best of the 4 mentioned vehicles. And I prefer the ultimate driving machine to an Accord as well. But the UDM is probably $12000 more when comparably equipped and is smaller than the Accord (drive one and see). Hyundai needs to do something like you say because their rep on the street is not entirely positive, even tho they may now build a good car.

    You almost can't go wrong with most cars out there now anyway.
  • Impressive, adn I am sure this number will increase. So they are selling more than Mazda6? WOW! Whatever happened to the Mazda6 fans; looks like no one bought them when it came time to buy.
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