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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Fusion is stuck between a rock and a hardplace on the power front. It delivers less power than the foreign V-6s, and less economy than the Accord V-6 (21/30 for Honda V-6, 26/34 4-cyl, Fusion's one model gets 21/29 but delievers less power. I agree that the lesser models are competitive for price:horsepower ratio, but a loaded model (around $25k or more) should deliver more. Let's get the 3.5 ready, Ford!
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Yes, it amazes me that they are moving so rapidly. The center stack and console are the worst aspects of the brand new 2006 Sonata, but Hyundai has completely re-done it for 2007!
  • i have been told that hyundai outsells mazda and mitsubishi in the US. doesn't sound like begging to me."THAT" time is gone friend.
  • consumer reports has not even mentioned the 06 sonota as of the nov.05 issue.
  • sorry but your wrong and corrected. cr has not ,not,not tested or reviewed the 06 sonota. if i am wrong please give me the issue and page number!
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Well, I do remember reading it somewhere, it may not have been CR. I distinctly remember reading a first drive, that CR was not impressed with. I do not subscribe to CR, and I'm not going to go out and buy their magazine. The next time I visit a shop that has a CR magazine, I will check to see if its there.

    Edit: I found some evidence of a first impression done by CR.

    http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/ConsumerReportsSnapshot.aspx?year=2006&make=Hyundai&mode- l=Sonata

    First impressions indicate that handling is secure but not sporty. The ride is firmer than the previous model's. The 235-hp V6 is refined, but not as punchy as expected, while the 162-hp four-cylinder engine seems civilized and competitive.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Can you provide a link to where you read that?

    I've searched the internet and can't seem to find anything on that.
    I'm not saying your wrong though.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    That doesn't seem like an overall negative opinion to me. I doubt they would call the handling of competitors like the Camry "sporty". And they think the engines are "refined", "civilized", and "competitive". I'm not sure what kind of punch they expected in the V6, but the V6 I drove had gobs of power for a family sedan, and the same 0-60 time as the V6 Accord according to tests by C/D. The CR folks are not performance freaks, so I'm surprised by their comment.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    Thanks for the link, ctalk.

    I think you'll agree that the "first impression" doesn't claim they gave the car a test, or even drove it around the block. They could have written that "review" from a brochure...or from reading this forum!!!
  • The picture which you saw was a Korean Sonata.

    It may very well be a Korean 2007 model, but it may not be here for the 2007 model year.

    You are speculating.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Well, I disagree with what CR said in their 'first impression'
    The Sonata's V6 is one of the most powerful engines in its class.
    Although it is still beaten by the Altima, and I assume is beaten by the 2006 Accord with its HP increase and 6speed manual option.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    No speculation involved. However, the information I saw on another discussion forum dedicated to GM vehicles may be wrong, but it does include a photo. Unfortunately, Edmunds will not allow links to other discussion forums.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Well, if you want to compare apples to oranges--stick shift cars vs. automatics--sure, I'm sure the 6-speed Accord can beat the Sonata 0-60. The stick will shave at least a second off the time.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    In an effort combine some of the duplicative comparisons we've got going on, I added the Fusion to the title, moved some posts and redirected several other discussions here. Hope this makes things a little less confusing.

    :shades:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I got the chance to see the Fusion close-up last night; my local dealer had just one, sitting right out by the road. A red, loaded ($26k sticker) V6 model. I was impressed by the interior. Looked very classy, with perforated tan leather seats to go with the dark dash. The optional alloys were good-looking also. The main problem I have with the car is the "hey, look at me!" chrome front end and the overall retro styling of the car, particularly the roofline and the overall blockiness of the car. I prefer smoother lines on a car. But that's personal preference and I expect that many people will be drawn to the looks of the Fusion, which is at least unique in the class and doesn't copy the Generic Mid-Sized Sedan look. I will wait until they get a 4-cylinder stick to drive one. No use spending big bucks on a underpowered V6, IMO. And the 4-cylinder Mazda6's I've driven had enough power to suit me.
  • One man's goose is another's gander. I think the center stack is excellent. I bought my GL after driving a rental Mazda 6 for about 33 days. Now, that vehicle's center stack is a ball of confusion!
  • that's my take on the Fusion, too. Not regarding it's engine power the Fusion will be a hit, though the price of the one you saw is a little steep vs. value quotient vs. the competition. That is only one reason why I traded my '97 Ford Escort in on a '99 Kia Sephia back in may of 1999. Value given for the buck, and styling. Yes, I did favor the styling of the Sephia over the Escort and I feel even stronger now about it than I did 6 years ago after joining the Kia owner/driver's camp.

    The Ford Fusion will be a hit, though, engine power notwithstanding. It's looks are appealing and that chrome will work in it's favor. It's engine power will not matter to thousands of American buyers. I now reside in vast-land South Dakota, and this is GM-Chrysler-Ford territory, tried and true. Only the daring in this crowd will consider Toyota-yes, Toyota, with it's dynamic reputation. The people of the Midwest must be fueled by severe patriotism or something, I noticed the same thing in Missouri. GM, DCX and Ford products abound. I have never seen so many Chevy Cadavaliers in my life that I saw on the streets of Missouri.

    I much prefer the Hyundai Sonata for looks and the value package. It's hard to beat.
    I rented a 2005 Toyota Camry last week and never found out it's engine size. All I know is I drove all over eastern Idaho and my gas mileage was 32.5 mpg upon rental return. The quarters were surprising cramped in the cabin, but I only adjusted my seat several comfort directionals, and couldn't seem to fumble the right knob to move the driver's seat back about 4 inches. It didn't really matter, overall in the '05 Camry driving experience, knobs and controls were easy to read and the car was very easy to learn controls on. My grade for the Camry was 96 out of 100. It was hard to find anything to knock-I figure I must've had the 4-cylinder Camry and yet power was adequate to zip up to freeway speed. More than enough power for me. That's what brings me to think that I would get a 4-cylinder Hyundai Sonata if I were to go that route. Anyhow, I can easily understand the success of Toyota's Camry with the American people. A great car and Toyota is no doubt very proud of it.

    It only makes me yearn to test drive the Sonata, yet I have my serious sights on much smaller new rigs.

    I just think that the "American rigs for one and for all" mentality of at least America's Midwest section will drive buyer's who want the smaller full-size cars to Ford's Fusion. Just one take on it, that's all. :)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    While I haven't driven the Mazda6, I was a passenger in one. My cousin owns an 04 4 cylinder and he drove to Houston airport to pick me up. The ride from Hobby International to his house is about 40 minutes. As he was driving I was noticing the details of the car. The inside looks very well put together no unsightly panel gap that I could see. The seats were pretty comfy and the ride quality wasn't as bad as I thought, although certainly no were near as comfortable as my 03 Camry. However, my biggest complaint about the 6 is noise. And I mean it is noisy to the point that you almost have to shout to have a conversation. My Camry is almost silent by comparison. If you want a quiet car, the Mazda isn't it. I hope the Fusion is better in that regards. The Honda and Toyota I4 engines are vastly superior to the Mazda engine (IMHO)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,272
    the Fusion seems to be very quiet from my test drives, and I believe the reviews have noted this too.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,272
    test drove a Milan at lunch today. Mostly stoppped in to look at the styling compared to the Fusion, but the sales person wanted to take a ride (ended up being a 10 mile loop, a real good work out). Anyway, the rear looks nice, but I didn't care too much for th egrill. It would look better if it wasn't silver IMO.

    This was my first time getting one up to highway speed (even hit 70!) Overall, I was impressed. It has plenty of pep (I drove a 4 cyl. 5 speed), and a nice ride. Excellent handling, and road noise was modest. Accelerated well.

    One quibble, which I expected, is that the gearing is still a bit short. 70 was ~2,900 RPM. Better than my current ride (a tC), but buzzier than an Accord. If they could know 3-400 RPMs off it at 70 it would make for a quiter cruise, with better MPG and still plenty of passing power.

    Anyway, a very nice package, and since most people will get the AT, the cruising RPM of the manual is irrelevant. For the $$, it will be a very good choice, and should certainly be considered a viable option in this class.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • Amen to the fact that the Mazda 6 is noisy. My first test drive in the Sonata really punctuated that.
  • I see alot of people stating that the fusion's V6 is underpowered. I was able to test drive the V6, and i must state this engine is very approprioate for this application. I never felt this engine lacking in power, the 6 speed auto is geared perfectly to keep the V6 in its sweet spot. Also, this engine is suprisingly quiet and refined, it features every technology that the others have in this class. Im 23 and i dont need a engine that pins me back in my seat when i drive, i need a engine that has an excellent powerband and one that goes about its business unobtrusively. And again this is a midsize sedan designed for family duty and it without a doubt does its job with the best of them, while offering more style. Just my opinion
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I can't believe anyone would compare a Sonata to an Accord or Camry. The Sonata I drove seemed like it was doing a constant mild vibrate. And yes the 6 is loud. Haven't driven a Fusion - will soon - but I doubt this car is a threat to the 2 clear leaders in this class. IMO - the Accord is the top dog.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    You needed to turn off the seat vibrator switch on the Sonata--it's to the left of the steering column. ;)

    The '06 Sonata you drove must have had something wrong with it. The two that I've driven (I4 and V6) were two of the smoothest cars I've ever been in. The I4 was no slouch either. No vibrator. The Accord, OTOH, did vibrate my body with its constant thumps over every little bump in the road.

    Maybe you didn't notice that Edmunds.com did the unfathomable--compared the Sonata to the like-priced Accord and Camry (the unmitigated gall of those people!). And the Sonata took first place.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    The Sonata, is actually more smooth and quieter than the Accord. But the Accord has a more 'sportier' character. I find it has a nice balance between sport, and comfort, some may find it a little to harsh.

    I currently own he 2005 Accord EX V6, I did look at the Sonata and if it did not have its (in my opinion) bland interior, I would have bought the Sonata. Its probably the most improved car I have driven this year. It is years ahead from its previous model.

    Like Backy stated, edmunds compared like-priced models of the Accord and Camry to the Sonata. The Sonata came out on top as their favorite budget priced family sedan.

    I still find the Accord to be at least near the top of its class, or even at the top. The Camry on the other hand, is dated, and is simply out-classed by many of its competitors (but you have to remember, it's in its last year)
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Who's paying edmunds to write that nonsense? Real world (and long term) usage will tell the tale. One good model year does not a winner make. Period. Hyundai might have fooled ya once, but Honda and Toyota will up the ante again with their new versions coming out soon. Booyah.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    One year? How about looking at the last 3 or 4 years when the Sonata was rapidly approaching the Accord & Camry, gaining each year? The '06 Sonata is causing the Honda/Toyota to take notice. Camry is getting long in the tooth? That may be, but for today's buyer, why buy an inferior, tired design when something better (and newer) is available from another manufacturer.

    If you want to be a loyal Hondo/Toyo fan, that's fine. Others are looking for the best value for their buck.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    How about looking at the last 3 or 4 years when the Sonata was rapidly approaching the Accord & Camry, gaining each year?
    The Sonata has improved so much to a point that it is actually better then the Accord and Camry in some ways. But in sales, it still has a long way to go. I would say the Nissan Altima and Chevrolet Impala are the ones that are slowly gaining on Accord and Camry.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Who's paying edmunds to write that nonsense?

    I can tell there is no hope of having a dialogue with you. Hope you enjoy driving your Honda product(s)!
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    You know that the new Camry is coming out in less than six months right ? Maybe the Sonata should be compared to that car and we will see how it fares against it.
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