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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Can we talk about the cars themselves instead of statistics, and data, and numbers, and each other ??? :confuse:

    I've never met anyone in my life who decides to choose this car over that car because of sales figures or some kind of - however it is interpreted for whatever reason - statistical presentation ...
  • littlezlittlez Posts: 167
    I know you are the HOST, so I don't mean any disrespect, but when someone in this forum says something incorrect or taken out of context the people on this site have the right to know the truth. I think if there are facts misrepresented about these vehicles, they should corrected before we move on.

    Having said that, I'm moving on after one more post.
  • littlezlittlez Posts: 167
    jrock,

    RL Polk data shows registration data for the automobile industry.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    BIG difference... Hyundais are mostly produced in Alabama now instead of being imported. With a 200K unit capacity (?) you can expect a typical month to be 12-15K units. If they continue to increase you'll likely see 18-20K months.

    FWIW Hyundai is the biggest threat Toyota sees.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I can't find the information on their website.

    Do you have a link?
  • littlezlittlez Posts: 167
    jrock65,

    I actually work in the automobile industry, so I get hard copies of their reports. I'll check to see if I can find a website somewhere.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    CARS, please.

    There is no "one more post." "One more post" always leads to someone else's "one more post" which leads to another "one more post" and so on.

    Please, let's try to talk about what we like and what we wish was different about the cars themselves.

    Thank you.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    I thought just the V-6 Sonatas are being built in Alabama. Isn't everything else including 4 banger Sonatas still being built in Korea?

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    All the U.S. Sonatas have been assembled in the U.S. since October.
  • The first months of the 2006 model years 4 cyl were made at the Asan Korea plant (I have one of them) but all Sonatas 4 and 6 are now being made in Alabama for the US market.
  • Vast majority is retail sales. The fleet sales will also spur more retail sales as people see the Sonata as far superior to the CamCords.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    backy confirmed:
    All the U.S. Sonatas have been assembled in the U.S. since October.

    I think that this is the reason for the HUGE jump in sales. I sincerely doubt that fleet sales went from 2000 units to 8000 units in one month.

    Hopefully the additonal sales for Hyundai will come from people trading in their trucks and SUV's for midsized autos. If the new kid on the block starts eating into other models then..

    CamCords are prolly secure for now;
    Altima needs to stay alert or Hyundai might show them their taillights;
    Ford has enough loyal buyers of older T&S to fill the Herosillo plant for F&M for a while;
    Sebring watch out!!
    Malibu, who knows?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    What we wish were different, eh? OK, here goes:

    Sonata: dual-knob height adjuster on manual seat instead of lever; chrome metal door pulls vs. painted plastic; tuning control on steering wheel; telescopic wheel on all models; nicer-looking 16" alloys; 5-speed autotranny and 6-speed manual shifter available on the 4-cylinder.

    Accord: lower prices; more compliant ride w/o losing good handling; standard ESC in all models; active front head restraints; nicer fabric; longer warranty; different front-end styling; dual-knob height adjuster on manual seat instead of lever; 6-speed stick available on 4-cylinder models.

    Fusion: different grille (blackout, perhaps); nicer dash trim on base model; standard ABS and side bags/curtains (and ESC at least available if not standard); more thigh support on back seat; dual-knob height adjuster on manual driver's seat; better quality plastics in interior; tighter seams on body panels; longer warranty; metal door pulls inside instead of plastic; 6-speed stick available on 4-cylinder models.

    Camry: really needs an all-new model... oh, wait... never mind.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Could it be because it will bring the thief more $$? Don't hear the Hyundai brand being stolen much do ya? Tells you what people other than you think about their cars.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I think that this is the reason for the HUGE jump in sales. I sincerely doubt that fleet sales went from 2000 units to 8000 units in one month.

    So if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is, all Hyundai has to do is make more cars in the U.S., and they will sell more. That sounds easy!
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Altima sales:

    2003: 201,240
    2004: 235,889
    2005: 252,000 (estimated for December)

    Sonata sales don't seem to be coming at the expense of the Altima. And the 2007 Altima is a redesign, so the Alty should be okay.
  • Yes the fact on the Sonata you can't change the radio station on the steering wheel is very annoying - even my Honda Pilot has that. I do really like the cruise control however. I am one of the few who seem to like the firm seats in the Sonata.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    As with Toyota and Honda I would be shocked if they havent already identified the buyer for everyone of the new Sonatas to be built in 2006. OK that's an exageration. Major companies like HonYota and Hyundai dont put up massive new plants and invest 100's(?) of millions$ without doing the marketing to identify where and to whom they will sell these vehicles.

    The Sonata is not a specialty vehicle that might disappear in a year or two. It's in the very heart of the US auto market with what appears to be a viable contender and a killer price.

    I mentioned above, Toyota is very, very aware of it.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Far superior to CamCord? Have another drink stockmanjoe.
  • Yes far superior in everyway. Have you driven a Hyundai - lately? I think I will take you up on that drink offer thank you very much!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    to get a few free drinks tonight ;) , but of course those won't be mixed with any type of driving.

    The Camry debuts on Jan 9. I think its going to be pretty damn impressive, especially if its using the 269 horse 3.5L and 6sp Lexus transmission as rumours have stated. That would surprise me, but you never know. The 4 will be anywhere between 158 and 166 horses and will use an all new 5 speed auto. We'll see how that pans out in terms of acceleration and economy- the new car is said to be significantly more solid in structure and weight is said to have gone up as much as 175 lbs on some models- Im hoping thats not across the board.

    It seems Bluetooth will be available on at least two of the four models (return of CE to displace 'Standard', mainstream LE, sportier SE, more luxurious XLE are expected). Side curtains (and side airbags) and 4 wheel disc ABS.... expected standard, not taking the Ford route.

    5 speed manual continues in CE, SE 4. Trunk space up, handling/ride allegely improved all around (maybe less Aunt Jemima in the steering of the non-SEs? One can only hope..)

    Again, all of this is educated specualtion based on everything I've read, but looks appealing. I have seen two different taillight designs, one I definitely prefer, so Im hoping for that one, and there has been one pic of a puke green color that I sincerely hope is not offered.

    Good thing the Fusion is off to a good start.... :P

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I'd be surprised if the 07 Camry didn't get the 268 hp GR engine. All the Japanese mags are saying so, and all the rest of Toyota products seem to be getting that engine as well.

    I would be surprised about the 6 speed though, but only because the Avalon only has a 5 speed.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Have you driven a Hyundai - lately?

    Yes, I have. Drove a Sonata LX. Liked it but wouldn't call it superior in every way. Actually gonna check out the Azera tomorrow. See if it has better seats etc.

    Go visit the 07 Camry board, after that drink. Great looking package. Salud.
  • Ah yes the old "Conform or be cast out." go with the crowd moo, moo, moo.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The GR engine is not really any longer a question- one of the folks on the 07 Camry thread saw the SE, snapped about 17 digipix, and saw the 3.5L under the hood.

    Dont know how or why, but why bother questioning- dude provided the first 07 left hand drive interior pics I've seen- of a Bluetooth, JBL 6 disc, cloth equipped Camry SE (V6). Jazzy but simple, big improvement over the current, IMO. Instrumentation looks like it will be damn pretty at night, as do the climate controls.

    ~alpha
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    And that folks, is the reason the Camry will continue to be the best selling sedan. ;)
  • Personally I find it quite upsetting what has happened to the US auto industry over the past 30 years. Everywhere you look and read Japanese cars are best, Korean cars are best, etc. And that's online, on the news, in the magazines, talking to your co-workers, friends.....

    I still remember when made in the USA meant something was a superior product, when people were proud of that label. Now Detroit is really on it's knees. What happens to the US with no Ford or GM? A scary thought IMHO.
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    My Honda Accord was made in America, as is my
    current Hyundai Sonata. As I mentioned before,
    my dog of a Chevy Celebrity was made in Canada.
    What I didn't mention before was that the salesman
    had a huge "Buy American" sign above his desk.
    I found this quite ironic, when I opened the door
    of my new Celebrity, and saw the Maple Leaf. :) :)
  • Yes GM and Ford are on there way out or at least headed for a substantially smaller role in the market - probably for the rest of our lives. They brought it on themselves with greedy unions and overpaid workers (including worthless CEOs). They made very poor cars for years, intentionally often times, to get us to buy a new one in three years (after lots of trips to their service department in between). We are now moving to a service economy the days of dropping out of high school to work at the plant for 100K (with over time) a year are over.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Made in America is still as good as anywhere else. My Ford F-150 and Chrysler T&C have been just as reliable and free from problems as my Toyota and Nissan vehicles...and have a much more comfortable ride. ;)
    ;) BTW, Ontario Canada is also in America. ;)
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