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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    Its there I just read them.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    These Sonata posters have already purchased the vehicle. They are not going to believe they made a bad decision until the vehicle lets them down.

    Ok I am driving a 2000 Elantra, when will that let me down?

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    Saying "it could mean" is not the same as saying "it does mean"

    Please do not put words in my mouth. All I said was most cars are stolen for spare parts. Anything else is inferred by you.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • cxccxc Posts: 122
    For sales occurring from May 1 through Sept. 25, the 2006 Sonata averaged a $19,943 transaction price, according to Power Information Network data.

    That also compares with an average transaction price of $20,332 for the Camry and $21,120 for the Accord over the same period, the Power data show.

    The average family income for buyers of these three cars is around $70K.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    I'm glad some of you have had good luck but there is more negative comments(industry)in my opinion than positive.

    Could you show us where the positive comments are outweighed by negative ones? It really gets me that no matter how many people will say they had no problems with their Hyundai the standard reply is "oh your just one out of thousands". Yet just one person says anything bad and its the standard for the car.

    Warranty is great but you can't drive a Warranty.

    As far as I was concerned the warranty was useless. I mean nothing went wrong for the first 131,500 miles.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    I am not putting words into your mouth.

    Or it could mean that Hondas need more spare parts than Hyundais. Think about that.

    I just disagree with this statement which you seem to be ignoring. You stated that you did not say anything else. I was simply answering this post.

    Well, we're not getting anywhere with this conversation. We can stop.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Wait a Minute Where's the $8K to $10K difference in price!!!!! You mean everyone's been fabricating numbers!! So then my point where is the Savings in buying a Hyundai?! :surprise: :confuse:
  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    Bottom line, you get what you pay for. A $7 steak is still a $7 steak. I've never had a really good one.

    The Sanota isn't junk, but it sure isn't an Accord or a Camry either. We're not talking about designer cars either. That would be a BMW. Now you're talking thousands of dollars for the name,and their reliability rating isn't that great either.
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    snakeweasel: Actually I did do that for my car (2000 Elantra with 130K miles) and compared it to a 2000 civic with 130K miles that would have had close to the same MSRP. Guess what, there wasn't much difference around $200.

    Using values from this site, I came up with significantly different results.

    The two cars compared were a 2000 Honda Civic LX sedan and a 2000 Hyundai GLS sedan. Both vehicles were in average condition, featured automatic, air conditioning and AM/FM/CD radio and had 130,000 miles on the odometer.

    The Honda's trade-in value was $3,250, and the dealer retail was $5,347.

    The Hyundai's trade-in value was $913, and the dealer retail was $3,206.

    The difference between the Honda and the Hyundai is considerably more than $200. This is much more in line with the prices that I see advertised in the local papers.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    You sound like the guy who goes to a fancy restaurant buys a $25 tough, chewy steak and proclaims "this is the best steak I ever had, much better than your $7.50 tender juicy and tasty one".

    And if the Sonata cost three times less as in your steak example, you're right I'd buy it in a second. But what percent does the Accord cost over the Sonata? 10% 20% ???

    So in your steak example, I'm paying $10 instead of $7.50 for an Angus burger versus McDonalds. But that's okay. Lots of people buy the cheap $10 T-shirt at Walmart, while others pay $12 at Target and get something softer that will keep the color for a lot more washes.

    And for others, the extra 10-20% paid for an Accord or Toyota will more than pay for itself in resale value, or if they keep the car for the long run, pay for itself in less repairs.

    And repair cost is an average. I own a '99 Mercury Cougar that has really poor quality ratings. Prior to 100K miles I put about $600 into the car. Post 100K miles I've put in probably $2500 (a/c pump, alternator & some routine stuff). All total in 7 years and 120K miles I've spent about $3000 and I consider myself lucky. But I still am not going to say that my Cougar is the highest quality car out there. I could have spent several thousand more and bought a Celica, but I wanted something with a hatchback and not a small trunk opening, so I went with the Cougar. The point is that this forum isn't statistically accurate, so just because you may have a good history with a car, it doesn't mean that an overall car is reliable. I know my Cougar wasn't the most reliable car, but I was lucky with the amount of repairs. In the long run, if a Toyota Celica had met my needs, after all these years I still would be ahead because a comparable Celica would have cost about $4000 more then the Cougar, and I've spent $3000 in repairs, even if you minus $1000 for inconvenience time when my car was in the shop, I'm still at least even.

    But I'm not going to pretend that my Cougar was of the same quality as the Celica.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    I agree, long-term reliability is a major factor for many (maybe most) people when buying a car, especially in this class. What I tried to explain in my last post, about "crossing the bar", is this: For some buyers (including me), the Hyundai reliability record (which is one of the best in the industry over the past five years according to CR, even if it's not yet as good as Honda and Toyota), coupled with the long warranty and maybe with personal experience (or with the experience of friends or relatives), is sufficient to cross the bar. For some buyers, like you, obviously it's not enough, and even the prospect of saving a few thousand bucks up front won't change that.
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    We are trying to spread the truth bro, trying to spread the truth.

    Just refuting what anybody else says here doesn't make you right. You do realize that don't you?

    Plus it seems you're AOK with the cheaper things in life, which is fine for you, but not for everyone else here. The Sonata is cheaper than an Accord EXV6, but nowhere near as refined.
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Even if it "crossed the bar," the question still is whether or not the 10 or 20 percent premium for a Honda or Toyota is worth it. Just because it finally crosses the bar to make it worth considering, doesn't mean it's the best overall value. But I will say that it does cross the bar and is worthy of consideration, where before it was not even worth considering.

    Again, for me the 100K warranty doesn't mean much in today's cars that don't even need a tuneup for 100K miles. What about post 100K miles? And if you're a short-term buyer, then you have to look at resale value. Again, I know your experiences have been good, but I know lots of smokers in their 80's but that doesn't make it healthy.

    For me, I'll give them another 5 years but until then, it's not worth the risk to me when there are so many other choices for a 4 door sedan.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    I can appreciate your view and is well put. You or your family have had some good experiences with Hyundai and unless you get burned it is probably where you will stay. I have seen many opposite stories and feel Hyundai is NOT even an option at this point. I will defer to you on the 5 year quality since I have not seen it but 1 question, is it Initial Quality or a 5 year quality report? When Hyundai (which I have said is getting better) can show me a sustained Quality and Safety record then I will think about Hyundai. Keep in mind Safety should be a BIG issue here not just Quality.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,692
    My statement was about reliability (not quality, that is difficult to put numbers on although JD Power tries), and was based on the latest reliability study published by Consumer Reports in their 2005 Annual Auto Issue. It covers MY '97-'04. The 2006 study will be out in a month.

    As for safety, we know what the Sonata has done with the NHTSA tests (all together now: "they are bogus! etc.") and we will know in early March what the IIHS test results are. Other factors on safety are the standard safety features like ESC and ABS built into every Sonata--so I don't have to take a chance of finding the car I want with all the safety features I want, as on the Fusion and Camry ('07 Camry is much better, and '06 Accord not bad except for no ESC on 4-bangers).
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I guess at this point there's no longer a need to keep going around and around this topic. The fact that Hyundai is getting better every year means that Honda & Toyota will have to get better to stay competitive. That makes everyone winners, both Honda and Hyundai potential owners.

  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    Long before you'll here from an Accord or a Camry.
  • And the Accord has trumped every other publications comparisons. But you must not have seen those, right?

    By the way; Edmunds compared a 6 cyl Sonata to 4 cyl Camcords; back to the price factor again.

    If today the Sonata were not priced as low as it is (they need to give our 3000 dollar rebates to sell them) not many people would be buying it, even though it is a much improved car
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Absolutely! I'm here more now to defend Honda because of some bogus claims about price difference ranging from $8K to $10K and those who say they would buy a Sonata even if it was priced the same as a Accord or Camry. I trust Honda and can not say the same about Hyundai.

    *disclaimer

    *The views here are strictly my opinion and not stated here to piss any New Sonata owner off! :D
  • what a lot of bs. So Toy/Hon use premium????? hahahaha. Be happy in your Ford.
  • cmon Backy, you used to be a sensible poster! Have you seen snake's and Stockmanjoe's posts??? No comment on all that nonsense they have been putting on this board?
  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    Check again. Annual Auto Lease, Consumer Repoprt for 2004 does NOT rate the Sonata that well. Page 87

    2000, poor
    2001, average
    2002, average
    2003, better-than-average. Too soon for fair comparison
    2004, better-than-average. Too soon for fair comparison

    go to ConsumerReports.org
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    So based on the only tests that are out there as of today you made the wise decision to purchase a vehicle that might not be safe for your family. I think you would have waited to see the IIHS test results before buying. But hey it sounds like your a risk taker anyway.
  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    Not a bad deal if you want to buy a new Hyundai, but, not for the poor guy who's trading. :cry:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,707
    Bottom line, you get what you pay for.

    Not all the time. Many times you are just paying for a name. To give an example, I started a leather goods company one time, we made wallets, purses, bags and the like. Well we produced a purse that looked similar to a coach handbag (not a knock off just similar) at 1/6th the price. But we had better materials better stitching, all around better. What did you get for the extra $250? The name Coach.

    A $7 steak is still a $7 steak.

    While that may be true, but if the $7 steak is better than the $21 steak its still better regardless of the fact that it costs 1/3rd the price.

    The Sanota isn't junk, but it sure isn't an Accord or a Camry either.

    I know some ex-honda owners that will disagree.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    Statistically they are far and few between. Statistically.
    Not just one or a few here and there. No one makes the perfect car for the perfect owner every time. Some just get closer to the goal than others.
  • I guess that sure makes you feel better when you get that empyt feeling you get when your car is not where you left it - a little solace for you to know someone else is enjoing your car LOL!!!
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Hey...what about the Fusion in all of this discussion? On this subject, I think it beats all three on style & youthfullness...whatever that means. But I think the younger car buyer would rather drive a Fusion then a Sonata, Camry or Accord. I think of Sonata's & Camry's as "family" cars. Sort of the same with the Accord. But the Fusion looks and feels more like a sports sedan. Put AWD on the Fusion and you'd have a real hit. But the other 3 will be more popular with older families.
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    bobw3 wrote: "For me, I'll give them another 5 years but until then, it's not worth the risk to me when there are so many other choices for a 4 door sedan."

    This is a very valid and common-sense, yet conservative, statement. On the other hand, look at all the people who passed on purchasing Honda and Toyota products in the early stages of their success, and look at what they missed! Essentially the same virtues that both offer today, with the exception of improved resistance to rust and corrosion and enhanced safety features. I remember the days when the average car buyer wouldn't ever consider buying a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, et. al. Times change, and perhaps, just perhaps, Hyundai is in that "early adopter" stage as well. A good, solid, quality-built, and reliable vehicle available at a more than reasonable price. Only the next 5 or so years hold the answer . . .

    The first Toyota I purchased was in 1968 - a Corona. And, my local dealer (a MG-Austin Healy- Jaguar-Triumph-Fiat-Toyota-Siata dealer) sold it for less than invoice just to move it off the lot! My engineering friends thought I was nuts for buying a Japanese car, as they were all driving VW's, Volvos, or Detroit Iron. Funny, the more things seem to change, the more they stay the same!
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