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New Ford Escape Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report

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  • ursacatursacat Posts: 32
    Quick update:

    I was also surprised to find that my 09 FEH (w/o Nav) did not include a simple homelink garage door feature and the little compartment up by the sunroof now is for sunglasses so you have to velcro your garage door opener somewhere. Wierd.

    I love the MS Sync system - works great with the ipod - who would have thought that MS and Apple worked it out.

    I hear from the service guys at Ford that that when the "plugable" model comes out they might issue a retrofit kit for our models. That would be cool. He also mentioned some chip that one could buy (and void the warranty) that extends the electric mode.

    more later.
  • jimmbobjimmbob Posts: 1
    My wife and I picked up our '09 FEH two weeks ago. We previously owned a 2002 Toyota Hylander Ltd. The price of a new hybrid Hylander was out of reach. So far we are quite pleased with the purchase, but as the salesperson suggested, it is a different driving experience. In the first few days we we're confused as to when the car would switch in and out of electric mode, but now we're getting the hang of it. As my old high school physics teacher would say..."Don't underestimate inertia". We've learned that under the right conditions we can tool along at 60 KPH without the gas engine kicking in if we engage cruise control. Excellent. The fit and finish are good to excellent although the seat leather in the Toyota was superior to this very "leatherette-like" Ford leather.We love the navigation system and SYNC; our cell phones paired up without a hitch. We opted for the chrome package and it's a head-turner.

    My only negative is that I dearly miss those two extra cylinders on the occasional unavoidable highway drives. The transmission really labors between 100 - 120 kph.
    Too early for mileage reports.....we'll report when we have some reliable figures.
  • I bought my first Ford (Mercury Lynx Wagon) in '82. It averaged better than 35 MPG and went 185,000 miles before we sold it in "89 to purchase our second Ford (Taurus L Wagon). It was driven 160,000 miles until '96 when we purchased our third Ford ('96 Taurus LX Wagon). Now with 191,000 miles on it we have made a purchase of a used 2007 FEH with 12,000 miles on it.

    We wanted the newest tech and gobs of gas mileage and I believe we have both it this vehicle. When driven carefully and using the electric motor in town the mileage can be astounding. Using side streets rather than the main throuoghfares here in Ogden, Utah I can achieve 50+ mpg on trips to the market, school and to the freeway. A trip in the freeway over to Clearfield and back home still left me with 38.3 mpg.

    There were two on the lot last week when I bought this and I'm seriously thinking about buying the other one. It has plenty of power, economy is stellar, usefullness is tops (I have a small tent trailer that weighs about 500 lbs loaded), and even my lead footed wife is hard pressed to get less than 35 mpg on her commute to West Valley City each day.

    It was used, so if anyone has a source for an owners manual ofr less than the dealer's $35 let me know.
  • We've not had any serious issues with the vehicle, but now the "Wrench" light is coming on, mostly under 'stop & go' condtions and when it's warm outside or when my wife's running the heater.
    One other time it was acting like this, the battery vent door actuator was the problem, and was replaced.
    Has anyone else encountered this problem, if so, any other recommended fixes beside replacing the actuator?
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "It was used, so if anyone has a source for an owners manual ofr less than the dealer's $35 let me know. "
    You should register on the Ford owners site. I have a soft copy, but it is for the 2008.

    Ford Owners Site
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "We've not had any serious issues with the vehicle, but now the "Wrench" light is coming on, mostly under 'stop & go' condtions and when it's warm outside or when my wife's running the heater.
    One other time it was acting like this, the battery vent door actuator was the problem, and was replaced.
    Has anyone else encountered this problem, if so, any other recommended fixes beside replacing the actuator? "

    If you have a Scanguage, they can be programmed to check for the door actuator. But if the light is going out after stopping the car, that is probably the issue. I'm at 20K on my 2008, and have had it replaced twice.
  • I had the same problem starting at around 40,000 miles on my 2007 Mariner Hybrid. It went away on it's own after a few days and hasn't re-occured. I can hear the vent door open and close now that the weather is warming up. We'll see what happens. Oh yeah, when I started on this site I owne a 2007 Ford Escape Hybrid. A red light runner wrecked that one, but I was able to pick up another; and nicer still, Mariner HEV.
  • I bought a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid in mid summer of 2007. The automobile has been great until now, March 2010. I have put 80,000 miles on it since I bought it 2.5 yrs ago. In the past two weeks the engine cuts off at high speed (60-70mph). A warning light comes on (looks like a red yield sign with an exclamation point) and dash display states "Stop slowly". There were no other warning signs or lights to indicate anything was wrong with the vehicle. I followed the instructions in the manual (turn the vehicle off for a minute and try restarting). I did this and made my way home - it cut off on me two more times that evening. The next day I checked all the fuses to make sure it was not a bad fuse.

    The car functioned as normal until four days later when the same thing happened. I am taking it to the dealer I bought it from tomorrow. I am wondering if some of the wire coverings that have worn in the past 2.5 years (exposing more of the wire) may have triggered a sensor that shuts the engine off.

    If anyone has had a similar experience I would like to hear about it.

    Other than this the vehicle has been a pleasure to drive.
  • malibuskymalibusky Posts: 15
    edited March 2010
    I have a 2008, 88,000. Driving back in bumper-to-bumper traffic from Las Vegas to LA. Out in the middle of the desert and all of a sudden I feel like I have lost control...I was going about 30 MPH, looked down and see the "!". I pulled over, looked at the manual...waited about 5 minutes, re-started the car and it was fine. I did freak out thinking I was going to be stuck in the middle of the desert but made it back home.

    I just did a 6 hour trip this weekend, a bit of traffic also...no problems since the initial incident.I though it may be related to the fact tha I had driven about 10 miles in traffic in mostly hybrid drive...but you were going faster...so I don't know!!

    dgcarlson1...do you know what this is?
  • joadjoad Posts: 4
    It's most likely the pump that circulates coolant to the high voltage inverter/electronics board in the engine compartment. This is a known issue and the new pump has been redesigned. You may not see the problem again for months, but it will happen again and usually at the most inoppurtune time. Also, check the coolant level in the the smaller tank...the one closest to the windshield in the engine compartment. It should be up to the marked line on the tank.
  • malibuskymalibusky Posts: 15
    Thanks for the info. It actually just happened again with local driving this last week. So, it is a coolant issue, is it a defect that will be replaced by Ford or now that my car is our of warranty...I am SOL? I will make sure my coolant level is checked and kept full...thanks so much.
  • misaakmisaak Posts: 3
    My husband and I considering buying a car next month and came down to two choices in the SUV category. Ford Escape Hybird or a 2010 Toyota 4Runner.
    We like the idea of a ford escape that has better gas mileage, smaller and easy to drive.
    The 4Runner has more horsepower, larger, better to tow with and excellent in the snow.
    Which is a better car to buy
    Michelle
  • bow45bow45 Posts: 21
    You might want to check out some issues about the FEH's High Voltage Battery on this forum. I own a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid AWD and regret that I bought it. I'm concerned about the battery. If the battery dies I need to pay $8,000.00 to replace it. :mad: If I knew this, I wouldn't buy my FEH AWD. :(
  • bdymentbdyment Posts: 549
    The battery has a complete 8 year warranty.
  • russrdhrussrdh Posts: 4
    I purchased a 2007 Mercury Mariner Hybrid in November of 2008. Purchased used, it had 14,000 miles on it and it now has 50,000 miles. This car is GREAT! I did my research on the battery system before purchasing it and I would direct you to the articles on the Ford Escape Hybrid taxis used in San Francisco (Key words San Francisco Hybrid Taxis) look for the LA times article.

    Here's a quote: "The Ford Escape is the first American hybrid. When it was unveiled five years ago, customers feared that the batteries wouldn't last and would be expensive to replace, said Gil Portalatin, hybrid systems application manager at Ford Motor Co.

    San Francisco's experience, he said, showed that "these things are tougher than nails. . . . We warranty the batteries for 150,000 miles and here you have cabs going out of service at 300,000 -- because that's the law, not because the cab's used up."

    The retiring hybrid cabs also have shown that, even on San Francisco's notorious hills, the regenerative brake system's brake pads last far longer than nonhybrid brakes.

    With a regenerative braking system, brake pads are not used to slow the car in stop-and-go traffic. Instead, when the brake pedal is depressed, it sends a signal to the electric motor, which slows the vehicle and also charges the car's high-voltage battery. The brake pads are used only at the very end of the stopping cycle.

    Yellow Cab is awaiting the arrival of 10 new Ford Fusion sedans, which promise even better gas mileage than the Escapes. The company has had the Nissans only a couple of months, so it's still evaluating their performance."

    I typically get 34-38 mpg in town and 32-34 on the highway. My personal best on a single tank of gas was 42.3 mpg of in town and highway combined. On a trip from Flagstaff, Az to Ogden, Ut via Highway 89 I averaged 52 mpg from Flag to the turnoff to Tuba City. By the time I got to Page, Az I was still at 45 mpg as I started the climb into Utah. I pulled into the Fast Gas in Nephi showing an average 39 mpg. From there to my driveway in Ogden I still managed a reasonable 36 mpg.

    Don't expect to tow with any hybrid with a constant velocity transmission. For our 12 foot/1,700 pound pop-up camper trailer we use a 2002 Volvo V70XC Cross Country. It is the perfect vehicle for small trailer towing. All wheel drive, powerful, comfortable, 20 mpg with the trailer and 30 without and of course, Volvo's stellar reputation for reliability and durability. I'd look at the original cross-over vehicle before plunking my money down on a 17mpg (Usually less) SUV. I know, I had a wonderful Chevy Tahoe for towing but the first $120 fill-up in 2005 scared me to the point where I dumped it just in time for the real run-up in gas prices. We're going to see that again.
  • bow45bow45 Posts: 21
    My FEH AWD has 72,000 miles on it which means only 28,000 miles left until the hybrid component warranty dries up. Even if my FEH AWD has lower miles, I don’t think my 2008 FEH AWD holds up the value of $8,000 in 2016. If the High Voltage Battery dies after the warranty expired, I don’t think I’m going to fix it. :(

    The point I want to make here is new High Voltage Battery is way too expensive. New Prius batteries price was about $2,300 in 2009 (Car and Driver, May 09, Vol. 54, No.11).
  • sksuhsksuh Posts: 13
    My 2008 FEH AWD has worked flawlessly in all seasons including Canadian winters up here on the Alberta side of the Rocky Mountains.

    No battery worries, winter woes or any other issues whatsoever. Absolutely no regrets with this vehicle.
  • ekiehnekiehn Posts: 33
    Maybe yes, maybe no. I have close to 80K on mine so I will be in the same position in about a year.

    This is what I learned from the Ford FEH road show back in 2004. The difference with the FEH and the Prius is that the Prius uses one great big batter pack that has to be replaced all at once. The FEH uses a rack of batteries that look very much like D-Cell's. In theory if a cell fails, they can open the rack and replace the cell, not the whole battery pack.

    Now the practical side of things, if one cell fails after 100K, do you replace just that one cell (paying for the labor and the cell) or do you replace the other cells because if one cell has failed the others will probably soon fail also.

    That's the issue and I don't have an answer to that one yet (and hope not to for a long time).

    One note, if you look at the FEH manual the maintenance schedule goes all the way through 150K but never recommends replacing the main battery pack cells. Take it for what it's worth, but if I get 150K out of it I will probably be happy (my previous Ford Van got around 190K but it was pretty sad by then).
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "The battery has a complete 8 year warranty. "

    10 years in CARB states.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "My husband and I considering buying a car next month and came down to two choices in the SUV category. Ford Escape Hybird or a 2010 Toyota 4Runner.
    We like the idea of a ford escape that has better gas mileage, smaller and easy to drive.
    The 4Runner has more horsepower, larger, better to tow with and excellent in the snow.
    Which is a better car to buy
    Michelle "

    If you want to tow, there is no question - get the Toyota. The FEH is not really designed to tow anything of substance. Otherwise it is a question of which you like to drive, and which fits your family better.

    The AWD version of the FEH should do fine in the snow. I have had mine in snow and ice in Yosemite.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "You might want to check out some issues about the FEH's High Voltage Battery on this forum. I own a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid AWD and regret that I bought it. I'm concerned about the battery. If the battery dies I need to pay $8,000.00 to replace it. If I knew this, I wouldn't buy my FEH AWD. "

    You might want to wait until it actually dies before you regret your purchase. Those taxis in NYC are going pretty strong.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "This is what I learned from the Ford FEH road show back in 2004. The difference with the FEH and the Prius is that the Prius uses one great big batter pack that has to be replaced all at once. The FEH uses a rack of batteries that look very much like D-Cell's. In theory if a cell fails, they can open the rack and replace the cell, not the whole battery pack. "

    You might be able to find someone to do that, but I'm sure Ford recommends that one replace the entire pack.
  • FWIW, I spoke to a service man that took in one of the first escape hybrids to sell in the bay area. It was a 2005 or 2006 with over 300,000 miles of San Francisco inner city taxi cab service miles on it. The battery checked in at 90% life. Not bad at all. So don't worry.

    We just got a 2008 and I noticed that in town, if driven in low range the whole time, the transmission acts exactly as it does in drive except that it increases regenerative braking dramatically, charging the batteries faster, and allowing more electric mode. Has anyone else found this? I was able to get nearly 41mph in town doing it. Any reason why this is bad? Like I said, it doesnt sound like the transmission is adversely effected. It's not like it's locking a torque converter in first like a normal transmission does.
  • ekiehnekiehn Posts: 33
    Yes that's what I do and have for years. Somewhere way back in all the posts I responded with this suggestion to an FEH that was not getting great milage. He tried it and it worked. (great job getting 41MPG, my 2006 stays around31-32).

    As for the wear and tear, I'm not that worried. Certainly the brakes will be saved (I'm at about 89K now and no new brakes are needed yet and probably not anytime soon).

    So to date I have spent money on recommended oil changes (every 10,000 miles), change filters as required, replaced all 4 tires once and wiper blades and that is about it. With all that I have saved in Gas and maintenance if the Batteries fail or need replacement or some other component I believe I'll be ahead of he game no matter how I add it up.
  • When doing city driving in low, what is the fasted you can go (or suggest you should go) before it jumps to gas mode?
  • cretacreta Posts: 2
    Hello,

    I own a 2006 FEH.

    Unfortunately the power steering assist mechanism (electric -not hydraulic) needs to be replaced/repaired.

    I am looking for a top flight mechanic who is familiar with this issue, the dealer has recommended that I buy a new vehicle..... they indicate the repair is too complex, risky and expensive.

    I would greatly appreciate any assitance

    Thank you,

    Creta
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,786
    "I am looking for a top flight mechanic who is familiar with this issue, the dealer has recommended that I buy a new vehicle..... they indicate the repair is too complex, risky and expensive. "

    Find another Ford dealer, one who is qualified to work on the Gen 1 FEH. That dealer is just trying to get you to buy a new car, so he profits from it.
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