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Spoilers Spoil Good Design - Agree or Disagree?

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    Heh, you must not have seen my Tercel shots on my CarSpace page. :shades:

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  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    The wagons look a little naked without those.

    And I agree with you on the TT, but there were a lot of high speed crashes due to poor areodynamics before they put the little spoiler on it.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Except for Cadillac, tailfins were about a six year phenomenom, from '56-'61. Rear spoilers seem to be hanging on much longer. Could this be because there's been a shortage of real design innovation in reent years?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Spoilers have changed though and you see less of them around. I also think there is such variations that you'll see them in one form or another for a while.

    -mike
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    I bet you're right re them sticking around for a good while. Spoilers are an easy way to make cars seem "sporty" without adding any real (read: costly) sport to them.

    Kinda like bucket seats or white-faced gauges... :(
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Exactly. Same thing like lips, chrome tips on the mufflers, etc. Manufacturers are picking up on low-cost dress up items that they can use to sell the cars.

    -mike
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    The exhaust thing is my current favorite.

    I love how now even 4cyl cars need to have dual exhaust outlets and how muffler tips on many cars are routinely twice as big as the actual exhaust pipe. :(
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I liked the older Camry I saw recently -- with dual exhaust extensions: one was a fake, since Camrys have never had dual exhausts till the '07 model year. Also, one was out of line with the other. :sick:
  • I disagree. I love spoilers and wouldn't consider a sedan without one. If not too big (eg, the Evo's spoiler), they always enhance the beauty of a sedan. Very big spoilers are a no-no for me (unless, of course, they are functional), but I like the nice everyday spoilers. I think the Mazda 6 would not be that attractive without one!
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    Because the spoil the look of almost anything you put them on. :P

    They are almost an automatic no go for me. There a few - very few - cars that look right with them.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 6,014
    For what it's worth I don't think most cars need spoilers. The speeds at which they would make a performance difference would put 90% of cars into the bushes.

    But that's not the question is it. As far as spoilers destroying the design of the car it depends on the car. Some minivans have spoilers to deflect air across the rear window to keep it clean. I think that works.

    Some cars do look better with a modest spoiler. The latest Mitsu Eclipse has a subdued spoiler that I think looks nice. However for 2008 they have an "SE" option that carries a huge wing that looks like they pulled it off an Evo. This makes the car look like a joke and spoils what I think is a pretty nice design.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup most spoilers would take effect long above most of the posted limits in this country (90-100mph) and even then it's minimal effect. On track they make a difference if you are running at those high speeds but few cars other than EVOs and STis even get use of them at the track.

    -mike
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,636
    What's really funny is that most spoilers slow you down, and people put them on cars so as to look fast.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    True True. Although they are made to give you more downforce on the car, giving it overall better traction and handling. Funny thing is Huge spoilers on FWD cars. Essentially you are pushing down on the rear of the car, pushing both the drive wheels and steering wheels up! So that doubbly defeats the purpose!

    -mike
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    In terms of how critical spoilers are to high-performance (at least judging by how often they're part of the "sport package"), I guess someone oughta clue in the engineers of America's premier performance car, the Corvette. What are they thinking? ;)
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Odd that some of the better looking ones are on the vehicles that will least need them, the Honda Hybrids. Most others probably fail at their designated task, with no actual aero design work behind them, only styling.
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 711
    the discussion has focused on appearance, the spoiler as decoration, rather than function. I would argue that if a spoiler is needed for added downforce or to clean up turbulence (and few are in an on-road context), then the design was not very good in the first place. If a spoiler is not needed for those purposes then it is pointless and only adds drag and mass and may obstruct visibility to no useful purpose.
  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,876
    Stopped by the lot... Almost every new Jetta has a "factory" added spoiler..

    Talk about ruining a nice German car.. :(

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Saw a last gen. 540i with a Pep Boys spoiler - ouch! Then two TLs with what must have been dealer add ons, ouch again. Talk about two car models that look better without a spoiler...at least I saw a Mustang GT without one, really looked good.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Factory added spoilers are not functional. They are not designed to create any down force. The spoiler on my Accord sedan does nothing except make the car look a little more "sporty" IMO.

    Some people will say sedans should never have a spoiler on them. But if a Mustang has a spoiler on it, that's completely acceptable, and considered normal. My niece has a Mustang convertible with a V6 engine. My V6 Accord can run circles around that car. I consider my Accord more sporty (as far as performance) than her Mustang. Yet a spoiler on my car is wrong. I don't get it. I think it looks better with the spoiler.
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