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Subaru Forester



  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I like the drive by wire, have had it on several of my cars, never an issue.

  • kavoomkavoom Posts: 181
    When they raised the 06 to 8.1 inches from 7.5, it crossed some threshold and lo and behold became a truck. Magic. Oh and trucks are not subject to cafe standards and it can affect the cost of licensing in some areas...

    So, that lift appeared to be intentional to get the "truck" rating for some reason. Cafe (mileage) standards are done on all of your vehicles as a manufacterer, I believe, but sub-categories can affect the whole. No one is sure exactly why they did it as they messed up the suspension, in my opinion, to get that extra half inch of height. The 03-05's were designed as a whole and since they have started tinkering with things, I don't think they are improvements e.g. boosting the power steering...

    Thanks, I feel better...
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Has nothing to do with the truck status for CAFE. It has to do with the ability for it to have rear fold down seats that fold flat with the rear cargo area and a hatch-like opening.

    PT Crapper is classified as a truck
    OB is classified as a truck

    It also allows Factory rear tint on the windows if it's a truck as well.

  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    has to do with the ability for it to have rear fold down seats that fold flat with the rear cargo area and a hatch-like opening.

    I guess my Honda Fit is also a truck
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The fit could and may be classified by it.

    I think it's flat load-floor is the criteria.

  • lakepoplakepop Posts: 221
    How about this.............

    Who classifies vehicles for the purposes of CAFE and how is it done?
    Authority to establish vehicle classifications for the purposes of calculating CAFE was delegated to NHTSA. Specifically, the definitions are as follows:

    1) Passenger Car – any 4-wheel vehicle not designed for off-road use that is manufactured primarily for use in transporting 10 people or less.

    2) Truck – a 4-wheel vehicle which is designed for off-road operation (has 4-wheel drive or is more than 6,000 lbs. GVWR and has physical features consistent with those of a truck); or which is designed to perform at least one of the following functions: (1) transport more than 10 people; (2) provide temporary living quarters; (3) transport property in an open bed; (4) permit greater cargo-carrying capacity than passenger-carrying volume; or (5) can be converted to an open bed vehicle by removal of rear seats to form a flat continuous floor with the use of simple tools
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Ground clearance is a factor in classifying the Outback as a truck, at least that's what I've been told.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    How does the PT Crapper then get classified under those rules as a truck for CAFE purposes.

    I think we are talking about different "classifications" NHST v. EPA v. someone else.

    I'll see if I can find out what the rules are for CAFE.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181

    Basically if I read that correctly, any vehicle with a fold-flat floor in the back can be considered a "truck" for the CAFE purposes. Regardless of weight, size etc.

  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    can be converted to an open bed vehicle by removal of rear seats to form a flat continuous floor with the use of simple tools

    a flat floor alone is not enough.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They basically get in the back door as a multi-purpose vehicle.

    All trucks cheat, really, because the CAFE loophole was inteded for work/fleet trucks, not for trucks meant for private use. So even a F150 used as a personal car is cheating and getting around the original intent of the law.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Have you mounted those snow tires on your Forester yet?

  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    kavoom -- It's long since been a misconception that Subaru jacked up the suspension to achieve the added ground clearance. The overall height of the Forester was unchanged in '06. The increase in ground clearance was due to clearance improvements made in the redesigned exhaust system in '06.

    In fact, due to other tweaks made in the suspension, the '06 and newer Foresters ride better and are even less "trucky" than previous years.

    I do not know if it was formally reclassified as a truck in '06 (it's always been informally referred to as a truck or tall wagon by many sources) but if so, it had nothing to do with the clearance change, IMHO.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not yet, but I'm ready to do so. It only got really cold yesterday.

    I actually saw some snow flakes around 3pm.

    If I hear a forecast for snow, they'll go on that evening.

  • leo2633leo2633 Posts: 589
    I mounted the Blizzaks on my wife's Outback today. At least it was cold outside; when I put the snows on my Forester a few weeks ago, it was 70 degrees.


    1. Turn engine on (NOT in ACC, Dont have to start engine).

    2. Within 30 secs of ignition, clip/unclip seatbelt 20 times. (Seatbelt light will go on/off)

    3. Confirmed by Seatbelt light staying OFF

    That's it, no on/off cycles to do. This worked first time for my car - 06 LegGT. Setting will last until the microprocessor is reset or battery disconnected.

    For a temp disable of chime, do the clip/unclip cycle 3 times only, will reset once ignition is turned off again.
  • rochcomrochcom Posts: 247
    We have just had our first real snow following a blast of ice. My 1998 does well on its aftermarket Brigestone Turanza LST tires that now have 60,000 miles on them. They are designed to be a true 4 season tire and to retain traction as they wear. At this point, they have 6/32 of tread. My OEM Geolandars lasted 30K and an aftermarket Goodrich Touring T/A set lasted 42,000 before they became dangerous even with 4/32 of tread.

    But now that it snowed, my Forester is covered with salt, and I went over to the local DeltaSonic car wash. They insisted that because it is an SUV (although barely bigger than a Toyota Corolla) I have to pay the same surcharge as a Ford Expedition or a Hummer. That's a bummer, and I had them back up the whole line of waiting vehicles to let me out. It is too cold to use the garden hose right now, so I will go to a locally owned wash. I may be a cheapskate, but we Forester owners have our rights! We bought our smaller vehicles for a reason.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ok, looks like freezing rain and maybe snow are on the way, so I hope to put on the snow tires tonight.


  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Yeah that some car washes charge the same for a Forester as a super-sized SUV (Yukon XL, Ford Excursion, etc) is just plain wrong! :mad: I'd let the management know how you feel. FYI, there are some car washes that don't charge extra.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Usually aren't charged more for my Armada which is pretty ginormous.

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