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Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3

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  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Still, Mazda and Toyota may need to up their game.

    Why? It appears Honda's the one pulling up the rear in this case.

    Meade
  • A CRX! model greaty great. I had a CRX Si once and it was a great little car. Where can I find more infor on the CRX model ?
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    In a September 1 review of the 2006 Civic (they drove all four models), they give the Si's 197-hp engine (which is only available in the Si) glowing reviews, saying the only competitors coming close to its acceleration and handling are the Mazda3 and the Jetta. However ... it appears Mazda may have Honda beat when it comes to having horsepower and comfort/cargo room! Read ...

    The disadvantage of both the basic coupe and the Si is that they're two-door vehicles with a cramped rear seat (3- and 6-inches less rear legroom, respectively, than the '05 coupe and Si), while the four-door sedan and hybrid versions of the new Civic are quite roomy in the back. The Si also uses premium gasoline, which is getting pretty pricey.

    In order to get any more than two doors (and more legroom), you have to opt out of the Si's 197-hp engine and go for the standard 140-hp engine.

    So ... Mazda3 sedan and Mazda3 5-door, you have no match. Only the diminutive Si 2-door hatchback will rock your world. So keep a watchful eye for tiny Hondabugs in your rear-view mirror. Any Civic capable of hauling more than two adults will stay way behind ya.

    Meade
  • The Mazda 3 looks punier than a Honda Civic. As for the capability of hauling more than two adults, I just bought a 2005 Honda Civic LX Special Edition 4 door sedan and it holds five adults. Hardly a "bug." :)

    I was originally considering a Mazda 3. I live in the upper Midwest and found that the Mazda 3's were noticeably more expensive than both the Civics and Corollas. And the Civics and Corollas have many more years of dependability and quality under their belt than Mazda.

    I don't believe that all the Civics are gone in the upper Midwest as one poster mentioned. If you do a little searching with a number of dealers, you should be able to find what you want at a great price!

    My new 2005 Honda Civic LX Special Edition in automatic transmission costed $14,990. That includes mudguards which I had asked them to add. I also get free oil changes, free tickets to a water park, free $1,000 online shopping spree and free delivery of the car to my home. That beats anything else I was trying to get with a Mazda dealer or even a Toyota dealer (and I've had Toyotas for the last 16 years).
  • I've been debating myself between those 2 cars. I see in my area that carsdirect quotes a price of 15,100 on a Civic LX (no Special) and had a dealer internet quote me 15,050, not much savings. Anyway I'm shopping around for quotes. As for the Mazda 3, I was thinking of the 3 i, with auto and power package. I get special S-pricing through work which would bring it down to invoice which I think was around 16,200 for a 2006 (an internet quote was the same without my S-plan). also I've been working on getting a 500 dollar credit coupon that I can apply towards the Mazda which could bring it down to 15700 (plus tax and licence). Anyway if I could get the Civic LX with auto around 14,800 or better I still think I would go with it between the mileage difference (38 vs 35) and the service departments. Mazda always tried to get money out of me every time I brought my 2000 Protege in for warrenty issues and their service prices are outrageous (ie. 190 for normal spark plugs), My wife has a Honda van and they never tried to puch extra services and their prices were in line with normal mechanics. I have been happy with my protege so I still consider it.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    The Mazda 3 looks punier than a Honda Civic. As for the capability of hauling more than two adults, I just bought a 2005 Honda Civic LX Special Edition 4 door sedan and it holds five adults. Hardly a "bug."

    Apparently you didn't read me right. Putting it differently, you can only get the 197-hp engine in the "bug"-like Si or 2-door. The 4-door sedan is only available with the smaller, 140-hp engine -- which the Mazda3 in either trim level beats.

    And ... looks are purely subjective. I personally think all Civics are way too low-slung both inside and out.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Mazda always tried to get money out of me every time I brought my 2000 Protege in for warrenty issues and their service prices are outrageous (ie. 190 for normal spark plugs),

    Well Pete, keep in mind that it's not "Mazda" doing that, it's your dealership. And they ain't all like that. Here where I live, the Mazda dealer (well, the one of three in my area that I deal with) is known for its impeccable service. The two local Honda dealers are known for being stuck-up and rude both in sales and service.

    I would not base a car purchase decision on how pushy the service department is at one dealership. Besides, you know better and can say "no thanks," right?

    Meade
  • smariasmaria Posts: 279
    I just bought a 2005 Honda Civic LX Special Edition 4 door sedan and it holds five adults.

    Also, keep in mind that the 2006 Civics have 3 to 5 inches LESS rear legroom than the 2005 you just bought (according to the article). Why would Honda reduce the size of the rear seat? It's fairly small to begin with.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Also, keep in mind that the 2006 Civics have 3 to 5 inches LESS rear legroom than the 2005 you just bought (according to the article).

    Not exactly, smaria. Here's the quote from Business Week again:

    The disadvantage of both the basic coupe and the Si is that they're two-door vehicles with a cramped rear seat (3- and 6-inches less rear legroom, respectively, than the '05 coupe and Si), while the four-door sedan and hybrid versions of the new Civic are quite roomy in the back. The Si also uses premium gasoline, which is getting pretty pricey.

    They don't quote the legroom, but from the way the comment is worded, it would appear that the 2006 models with reduced legroom are the basic coupe and the Si.

    Meade
  • Yes I did say no thanks. But your probably right its the individual service department. But the high prices is at another so I assume Mazda has high service prices since I have to assume the price is standardized but I could be wrong. Anyway once the warrenty is over I most likely would not use the service department again. It just was awkward to bring it in around 32,000 mile because the check engine light tripped and told that I'm overdue for a 400 dollar tune-up and that would fix it and after getting a goodyear tuneup told that if the tuneup contributed to the problem I'm responsible for the repair and the diagnosic. Anyway it is probably the one service manager there. So I shouldn't base by decision on that, though I did exclude that one dealership from my search. Don't worry there another only 2 miles away.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    When did Honda decide to change the name of their car to "CIVID"?

    Look at how they're showing the "Civic" logo for 2006. Is that the way it's going to be on the car? I think a lot of college kids are gonna be asking mom and dad for a "Civid"!

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Let's compare interior room, Civic sedan vs. Mazda3 sedan. The data below are from both companies' specs for their own cars:

    (Numbers are Civic sedan first, then Mazda3 sedan)

    EPA passenger volume: 83.7, 94.3 (cubic feet) -- Civic 10.6 cubic feet (9%) less!
    EPA cargo volume: 11.5, 11.4 (cubic feet) -- Civic 0.1 cubic foot more
    Headroom, front: 38.0, 39.1 (inches) -- Civic 1.1 inches less
    Headroom, rear: 35.1, 37.4 (inches) -- Civic 2.3 inches less!
    Legroom, front: 42.6, 41.9 (inches) -- Civic 0.7 inches more
    Legroom, rear: 30.3, 36.3 (inches) -- Civic SIX INCHES LESS!
    Shoulder room, front: 53.9, 54.9 (inches) -- Civic one inch less
    Shoulder room, rear: N/A, 54.0 (inches) -- Civic data unavailable
    Hip room, front: 53.0, 54.9 (inches) -- Civic 1.9 inches less
    Hip room, rear: 49.2, 53.9 (inches) -- Civic 4.7 inches less!
    Passenger capacity: 5, 5 (persons) -- Really, Civic? Children, maybe?

    The expected commentary:

    Reviewers have said the Mazda3 is a little cramped in the back seat. Well, let's look at the Civic's back seat which, compared to the Mazda3's back seat, has 2.3 inches less headroom, HALF A FOOT less legroom, an inch less shoulder room and 4.7 inches less hip room, and I'm starting to wonder if this is a 2006 Civic or a 1982 Civic! Why'd they even make a sedan?

    2006 Civic sedan: A true driver's car. Because that's all that'll fit in it.

    Meade
  • oskwioskwi Posts: 88
    Thanks for the information. It'll be nice to see a fairly modernized "Civid" BUT I wouldn't touch a first year redesign with a ten foot pole! I was just looking at the Mazda 3 again tonight...I'm due for one of two "t's"...timing belt or trade-in. I'm seriously considering opting for the latter. :) My '01 ES will hit 60,000 miles tomorrow on the way into work!

    Also looked at the Corolla...packages are strange and I really can't get what I want...PLUS the engine is smaller. So, to make a long story short, I'm meeting with my Mazda sales person in about two weeks. He's on vacation until then and that's when they expect to have a decent selection of 2006s. I'll keep you posted. Take care.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Garth -- That's exactly what I did instead of replace my timing belt (and a few other things) in my 2000 Protege. But you may want to check your owner's manual and see if you live in one of those "special" states -- here in Virginia, Mazda didn't recommend changing my timing belt until 105,000 miles. And when I traded my 2000 ES at 91,100 miles, it was still on its original timing belt.

    (Of course, if you're using the 60K miles and the timing belt thingy to convince the wife of your need for a 3 ... I'll shuddup!) :shades:

    Meade
  • oskwioskwi Posts: 88
    Gee, I never thought of New York as being a "special" state...aside from the highest property taxes, rents, utilities, and now today, gas prices (that was actually front page news in the local paper). I guess "specialness" can take many forms!

    Thanks for the information. I'll check my manual.
  • pete22,

    Where are you located? I'm curious about the $16200 quote you got the for the Mazda3 i sedan. Are you talking about '05 or '06? I'm assuming the '05 since the '06 doesn't have a power package. What other options are included in the $16200 quote? Is that also including air conditioning?
  • Yes, its a 2005, I'm in Southern California. I was looking for Power Package, Automatic, and air. TO get the power package you have to get air. The power package includes power and 16 tires and Alloy wheels instead of Hub caps. Also was quoted 16130 or something like that for an earlier 2005 and was told Mazda reprices in March. The later one was actually 16256. I think a 2006 configured like that is around 16480. They are quoting me invoice and you could just use the link someone posted earlier (2 message up) to configure the way you want. All you have to do to get those quotes is to use the intenet quotes from somewhere like autobytel or probably edmunds (since this is their board). I don't even remember all I used. Also you could contact dealers internet managers yourself though the Mazda web site.
  • I owned two Corollas in the past and I loved them. I didn't look at them this year because I've owned Toyotas for 16 years and wanted a change. Besides, the look of the Corolla now looks like little ol' ladies should be driving it.

    I did research the Mazda 3's and was pumped up after reading about them. But after going on a lot and looking at them, I changed my mind. They're cute but more pricey than the tried and true Civic.

    I decided with the Civic because it's a classic. It's been tried and tested and it holds its value better than the Mazda hands down. Personally I think it looks better than the Mazda. I think you're getting more of your money's worth with the Honda.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Well, looks are subjective, and money's worth? What do you attribute to getting your money's worth? The Mazda3 beats the Civic in just about every category from interior room to horsepower to better warranty. Where's the money's worth? I'd truly like to hear your reasoning.

    Meade

    P.S. "Tried and true"? The Mazda3 has an equal reliability rating to the Civic. And after having owned four Proteges since 1991, I can support that rating. All have been virtually problem-free.
  • I think you are using the info for the Civic coupe, not sedan. I have a sedan brochure in front of me and some of your measurements don't match.
    These are for the EX sedan.
    Passenger volume 88.4cf, not 83.7
    cargo volume 12.0 cf, not 11.5
    headroom front 38.1, not 38.0
    headroom rear 36.7, not 35.1
    legroom front 42.2, not 42.6
    legroom rear 34.6, not 30.3
    shoulder room front 53.6, not 53.9
    shoulder room rear 52.3
    hip room front 51.9, not 53
    hip room rear 51.0 not 49.2

    The rear seating area is bigger than what you have posted, your measurements seem more likely to be for the coupe.
  • Tried and true because look how long Civics have been around. They've been rated highly for some time now - year after year. Longer than Mazdas. I wouldn't rate the Mazda3 as being equal or in the same league as a Civic especially since the Mazda3 is pretty new. Over the long haul of ownership, I can see the Civic outlasting the Mazda3. The same with a Corolla. (Because I've owned Toyotas (Corollas and Camrys) for 16 years with no problems. And I bought Honda because I've heard no complaints from owners who I have talked to.)

    Besides this is a Civic forum here. If you love your Mazdas better, they have a forum too. This is just opinions from passionate people about their cars.
  • This is a 3 forum as well, not just civil or borolla.

    Kyle
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    You completely dodged the question Meade asked you. You said you felt like you get more for your money with the Civic. Meade asked why you feel that way.

    So?
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I wouldn't rate the Mazda3 as being equal or in the same league as a Civic especially since the Mazda3 is pretty new. Over the long haul of ownership, I can see the Civic outlasting the Mazda3. The same with a Corolla. (Because I've owned Toyotas (Corollas and Camrys) for 16 years with no problems. And I bought Honda because I've heard no complaints from owners who I have talked to.)

    Are you aware that the Mazda3 is the successor to the Mazda Protege (1990-2003), which was the successor to the Mazda 323/GLC (1977-1990s). In other words, Mazda3 is only the latest name of a long pedigree of reliable compact cars produced by Mazda. For an excellent history of Japanese vehicles, see Wanda James' Driving from Japan (Jefferson, NC; London : McFarland, 2005)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Yep, I've owned five Mazdas in the Protege/3 line since September 1991. Two of them are in my driveway right now. So, fourteen years is my history with Mazda, all as reliable as Toyotas and Hondas. BTW, I've owned Toyota and Honda products as well. I wonder if legalpenguin has owned all three as well, so he can speaketh from experience and not just hearsay.

    And yes, this IS a comparison discussion. Legalpenguin, methinks thou believeth thou is in the Civic discussion. Readeth the title of this discussion again.

    Meade
  • Sorry, but that still doesn't tell me that Mazda is better than a Civic. Civics have consistently been in the Best Buy categories of research firms for years. What do you think "Best Buy" means? It means you get more than your money's worth in all aspects. It's rated excellent year after year in ownership costs.

    I'd rather keep my Honda Civic. I bought a Special Edition LX for under $15,000. I definitely did get my money's worth and more.

    Way back when I looking for cars on numerous occasions, I came across a Mazda 323 and Mazda Proteges. Test drove them, but for some reason they just didn't hold my attention like the Toyotas and Hondas when it came to doing my detailed research on all categories.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Good Lord, I just went to prove you wrong, and found that Honda's own website lists a third and completely different set of dimensions for the Civic EX sedan -- different from yours and mine! I hope the following link works -- if not, just go to Honda.com and drill your way down to the Civic and its interior specs:

    http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_full_specs.asp?ModelName=Civic+Sedan&Ca- tegory=5

    So ...

    Will the REAL CIVIC please stand up, for goodness' sake?!

    :sick:

    Meade
  • Meade, the subcategory is a comparison, but the main category of all these subcategories here is specifically Honda so that's what it leans toward the most. So I believe if you must be technical about this issue, methinks it is still a Honda Civic forum.

    I speak from experience as well. I've owned Chevy and Mazda (in high school) and then moved up to Toyota and now Honda. I can clearly see the differences.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Way back when I looking for cars on numerous occasions, I came across a Mazda 323 and Mazda Proteges. Test drove them, but for some reason they just didn't hold my attention like the Toyotas and Hondas when it came to doing my detailed research on all categories. "

    Meade was interested in why you feel that the Civic gives you more for your money than the Mazda3, and I too am interested. Specifically, why do you think you get more for your money? What are you getting with the Civic that you're not getting with the Mazda3? Are you talking about tangible things? I'm interested.

    "Meade, the subcategory is a comparison, but the main category of all these subcategories here is specifically Honda so that's what it leans toward the most."

    This is the path to get to this forum:

    forums/sedan/Comparisons sedans vs. sedans

    The path is at the top of the page along with the title of the discussion. This is not an exclusively Honda Civic forum.
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