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Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3

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  • I think you are using the info for the Civic coupe, not sedan. I have a sedan brochure in front of me and some of your measurements don't match.
    These are for the EX sedan.
    Passenger volume 88.4cf, not 83.7
    cargo volume 12.0 cf, not 11.5
    headroom front 38.1, not 38.0
    headroom rear 36.7, not 35.1
    legroom front 42.2, not 42.6
    legroom rear 34.6, not 30.3
    shoulder room front 53.6, not 53.9
    shoulder room rear 52.3
    hip room front 51.9, not 53
    hip room rear 51.0 not 49.2

    The rear seating area is bigger than what you have posted, your measurements seem more likely to be for the coupe.
  • Tried and true because look how long Civics have been around. They've been rated highly for some time now - year after year. Longer than Mazdas. I wouldn't rate the Mazda3 as being equal or in the same league as a Civic especially since the Mazda3 is pretty new. Over the long haul of ownership, I can see the Civic outlasting the Mazda3. The same with a Corolla. (Because I've owned Toyotas (Corollas and Camrys) for 16 years with no problems. And I bought Honda because I've heard no complaints from owners who I have talked to.)

    Besides this is a Civic forum here. If you love your Mazdas better, they have a forum too. This is just opinions from passionate people about their cars.
  • This is a 3 forum as well, not just civil or borolla.

    Kyle
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    You completely dodged the question Meade asked you. You said you felt like you get more for your money with the Civic. Meade asked why you feel that way.

    So?
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I wouldn't rate the Mazda3 as being equal or in the same league as a Civic especially since the Mazda3 is pretty new. Over the long haul of ownership, I can see the Civic outlasting the Mazda3. The same with a Corolla. (Because I've owned Toyotas (Corollas and Camrys) for 16 years with no problems. And I bought Honda because I've heard no complaints from owners who I have talked to.)

    Are you aware that the Mazda3 is the successor to the Mazda Protege (1990-2003), which was the successor to the Mazda 323/GLC (1977-1990s). In other words, Mazda3 is only the latest name of a long pedigree of reliable compact cars produced by Mazda. For an excellent history of Japanese vehicles, see Wanda James' Driving from Japan (Jefferson, NC; London : McFarland, 2005)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Yep, I've owned five Mazdas in the Protege/3 line since September 1991. Two of them are in my driveway right now. So, fourteen years is my history with Mazda, all as reliable as Toyotas and Hondas. BTW, I've owned Toyota and Honda products as well. I wonder if legalpenguin has owned all three as well, so he can speaketh from experience and not just hearsay.

    And yes, this IS a comparison discussion. Legalpenguin, methinks thou believeth thou is in the Civic discussion. Readeth the title of this discussion again.

    Meade
  • Sorry, but that still doesn't tell me that Mazda is better than a Civic. Civics have consistently been in the Best Buy categories of research firms for years. What do you think "Best Buy" means? It means you get more than your money's worth in all aspects. It's rated excellent year after year in ownership costs.

    I'd rather keep my Honda Civic. I bought a Special Edition LX for under $15,000. I definitely did get my money's worth and more.

    Way back when I looking for cars on numerous occasions, I came across a Mazda 323 and Mazda Proteges. Test drove them, but for some reason they just didn't hold my attention like the Toyotas and Hondas when it came to doing my detailed research on all categories.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Good Lord, I just went to prove you wrong, and found that Honda's own website lists a third and completely different set of dimensions for the Civic EX sedan -- different from yours and mine! I hope the following link works -- if not, just go to Honda.com and drill your way down to the Civic and its interior specs:

    http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_full_specs.asp?ModelName=Civic+Sedan&Ca- tegory=5

    So ...

    Will the REAL CIVIC please stand up, for goodness' sake?!

    :sick:

    Meade
  • Meade, the subcategory is a comparison, but the main category of all these subcategories here is specifically Honda so that's what it leans toward the most. So I believe if you must be technical about this issue, methinks it is still a Honda Civic forum.

    I speak from experience as well. I've owned Chevy and Mazda (in high school) and then moved up to Toyota and now Honda. I can clearly see the differences.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Way back when I looking for cars on numerous occasions, I came across a Mazda 323 and Mazda Proteges. Test drove them, but for some reason they just didn't hold my attention like the Toyotas and Hondas when it came to doing my detailed research on all categories. "

    Meade was interested in why you feel that the Civic gives you more for your money than the Mazda3, and I too am interested. Specifically, why do you think you get more for your money? What are you getting with the Civic that you're not getting with the Mazda3? Are you talking about tangible things? I'm interested.

    "Meade, the subcategory is a comparison, but the main category of all these subcategories here is specifically Honda so that's what it leans toward the most."

    This is the path to get to this forum:

    forums/sedan/Comparisons sedans vs. sedans

    The path is at the top of the page along with the title of the discussion. This is not an exclusively Honda Civic forum.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Legalpenguin, I'm sure you are new enough around here that you haven't figured out the admittedly idiosyncratic structure here and there's nothing wrong with that.

    You are most likely going to a "view" of discussions that include the Civic. The reality is that what you see is a filtered list, it's not a "main category" or a "forum" or anything like that, it's just a filtered list of every discussion that involves the Civic.

    This discussion is a comparison of the Civic, Corolla and Mazda3. If you filter your view by any of the three of them, this discussion will appear on the list.

    Lots of people get confused by this, don't worry about it. But do understand that this no more an exclusively Honda/Civic-related discussion than it is a Mazda/Mazda3 or Toyota/Corolla-related discussion.

    If you follow the "breadcrumb" trail at the top (or the bottom) of this page, as newcar31 suggests, you will see the actual physical structure, which in this case is a Sedans Comparisons board which is actually a subfolder of the Sedans board. But you don't have to do that if you don't want to. ;)

    Hope this helps!
  • The link you provided is for the 2005 Civic. I posted specs from an actual brochure from a Honda dealer, hopefully it is correct, but you never know!
  • newcar31, I already answered the question you keep nagging me about. See my prior messages again.

    You guys sure take these boards way too seriously! :) I'm not changing my mind. I did way too much research before I made the decision to buy my Honda and worked with dealers diligently to get such an excellent deal. I definitely did get more than my money's worth!
  • I'd rather the Honda and Toyota lovers stay the same, and not jump on the Mazda bandwagon. The less people know about the Mazda3, the better. It's the best kept secret out there in the entry level market :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    ... to "marching to the beat of a different drummer," i.e. not purchasing the most popular "herd" cars. Lookie what's happening to Accords and Camrys in my own county (this was on my local news last night); I can imagine Civics must be just about next in line ...

    http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=3853330

    Meade
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    Reminds me of a Yogi Berra quote

    "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."
  • I don't ever need to worry - my Civic has a security system on it.

    :surprise: You guys really believe any car, much less the Mazda3, is a secret these days with the ton of information out there about every car on the market? :) LOL I think car buyers are getting smarter and smarter these days and use all the research they find to make the best all around deal to get the most for their money.

    Why do you knock Hondas? Their cars have been rated Best Buy and Excellent for years. Mazda merges with Ford and that's why Mazda is a follower and not a leader and is behind the top three - Toyota, Honda, and Nissan.

    Marching to the beat of a different drummer is good in some instances but not necessarily in others.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    ....Why do you knock Hondas? Their cars have been rated Best Buy and Excellent for years

    I don't think anyone is knocking the fact that Honda builds a good car...I think they are saying that Honda's are bland, boring and about as exciting as a 5lb bag of fertilizer. If you like bland, thats fine. Everyone likes what they like.....Mazda owners/fans don't care for bland generic cars and Mazda fills that desire better than Honda or Toyota....Mazda isn't trying to become the Buick of Japan like Toyota....
  • Exactly. Honda and Toyota entry level and mid-size vehicles are just so boring. In fact, Hondas in general don't excite me much. The S2000 isn't that great, and even if you tap into the Acura line, nothing really stands out. The RSX is just a new spin on the way-too-common Integras. Toyotas are a joke, but some of the Lexuses are fairly decent, such as the IS300 and the new IS350. But I digress...

    The point is, the Mazda3 captures the best of both worlds in the entry level compact market. It has the reliability of a Japanese car, albeit maybe not as reputable as a Honda or Toyota, along with the zip and excitement of a sporty vehicle.

    But really, I shouldn't be trying to convince anyone to buy one! I want mine to be unique! Everyone go buy Civic and Corollas and Camrys and Accords!!! Those are the best cars and best bang for the buck!!! ;)
  • I haven't driven either of these cars yet, but today I went to take a look at them. First stop was at the Honda dealer to see the 06 Civic EX sedan. I found it visually appealing, with the side and rear views it reminds me of a smaller Acura TSX. From the front, it doesn't do much for me, but I think the look will grow on people once you start seeing them on the road in large numbers. The windshield is big and the hood is very short, it;s just a different look from the previous Civic.

    Inside, I was quite impressed. A very roomy cabin, front and back. The oddest thing I find inside is the dash, it is huge! Very deep, about the size of the hood. But I don't find it to be a negative at all, just different. Hopefully there will not be a reflection on the windshield in strong sunlight as there is in some other cars with a large dash, such as the current Altima.
    There is plenty of legroom and knee room. It was easy to find a comfortable seating position with the tilt/telescopic wheel, the two spoke steering wheel felt fine to me too. I also like the sliding armrest. All in all, I felt like I was in a larger sedan.

    Then I went to the Mazda dealer to see the Mazda 3. The sedan is a bit more conventional looking than the Civic, the hatch has a bit of that futuristic look to me as did the Civic sedan. I find the cockpit of the 3 to be more confining than the Civic. The center console doesn't give you much room to move your legs. My knee was resting against it in a normal driving position, and if I moved my right leg at all, it was digging into my knee area.

    I looked at on 06 Mazda 3s Grand Touring with the new 5 speed auto with manumatic shift. It was very well equipped and stickered for 22,010 vs. 19,610 for the Civic. The Mazda had xenons, fog lights, rain sensing wipers, leather, heated seats, auto climate control, a 48,000mile/5 year warranty and a loaner car program. The Mazda is rated at 25/31 for gas mileage while the Civic is 30/40. A big hit on fuel economy for 20hp, IMHO.

    Now I need to drvie both of them and see how they feel to me. If I had to make my choice just by sitting in them, I would pick the Honda. Driving them may change my opinion.
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