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  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Remember the first Honda Odyssey? It was a smaller than the curret model and also had a 2.3 L engine. Except for the Ody's length they are almost the same in every dimension.

    1998 ODYSSEY--Seven passenger

    Wheelbase 111.4
    Length 187.6
    Height 64.6
    Width 70.6

    Horsepower 150 @ 5600rpm

    Torque 152 ftpd

    EPA city/hwy 21/26 reg

    Engine 2.3 L I-4 SOHC

    Displacement 2253cc

    Weight 3472

    Turning circle 37.7 ft (Could not make a U-turn)

    Track 60.0 inch

    Headroom 40.1/39.3/37.5

    Leg room 40.7/40.2/34.0

    Shoulder room 57.1/57.9/47.6

    Cargo w/seats folded 93.5cu.ft

    Wheels 15-inch Steel w/covers

    Tires - All season P205/65/R15

    Brakes front/rear Disc/disc No ABS

    Airbags Front only

    MSRP $23,450

    Vs.

    2006 Mazda5--Five passenger

    Wheelbase 108.3
    Length 181.5
    Height 64.2
    Width 69.1

    Horsepower 157 @ 6500rpm

    Torque 148 ftpd @ 4500rpm

    EPA 21/26 reg

    Displacement 2260cc

    Engine 2.3 L I-4 DOHC

    Weight 3389 lbs

    Turning circle 34.8 ft (Can make a U-turn in one motion)

    Track 60.2 inch

    Headroom 40.7/39.4/37.1

    Legroom 45.5/35.2/30.7

    Shoulder room 55.5/35.2/30.7

    Cargo w/seats folded 44cu.ft

    Wheels 17-inch Alloys

    Tires P205/50/R17 -89V

    Brakes front/rear Disc/disc w/ABS

    Airbags Front/SAB/SAC

    MSRP $18,895 base price plus $900 for A/T

    That's a big difference considering the Mazda5 has more standard equipment -- the Ody didn't have a CD player, didn't offer NAV, did not have audio controls on steering wheel, had only tilt wheel, and the A/T shifter was on the steering column. Rear doors were hinged, no sliding doors.

    I haven't driven the Mazda5, but I owned a '98 Ody for three years and it was one of the best riding vehicles I have ever owned. It did lean in sharp turns and around bends. The seats were wider. Front seats had flat bolsters.

    fowler3
  • I have installed an aftermarket towing hitch on my 5. The tongue weight is very low (200 lbs) and is not the standard (2 inch I think) size but rather the smaller (1.5 inch). Not a problem but you'll have to have to get the smaller draw bars. As for the towing itself I'm not real happy. My 5 is the manual and once you get going it's not too bad but starting from a light or even worse on a hill is tough. The lack of low end power makes you have to really ride the clutch to get it going.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Wonder why some entrepreneur doesn't offer a camping package for these new CUVs? It would be really cool to have a tent with an awning which attaches over the rear hatch in the raised position. Shorter family members and kids could sleep in the Mazda5, adults in the tent. Make a package with a cook stove and folding camp chairs. And an ice chest designed for the cargo area.

    With the cost of gas high and probably going higher people could still go camping on weekends to nearby parks, lakes and attractions such as music events. No motor home required.

    fowler3
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    How much are you trying to pull? I have a Class I receiver (1 1/4") on mine and I pull my 4x6 utility trailer with ease. I have had no problem towing 3 dirt bikes with riding gear, EZ-up, etc. However, I wouldn't expect the 5 to pull much more than 1500lbs.

    If you are in danger of burning clutches, you should really consider something that is made for towing instead of one that (in the US) suggests that towing is a no no.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    More on seat covers:

    I checked the Yellow Pages for my area, the Triad in NC, and found several places that make seat covers. Look in the Yellow Pages in your location for general listings: Automobile Seat Covers and/or Automobile Trim and Upholstering. Many shops that do body repair also do trim and leather kit installations, but I would think those who specialize in seats would do a better job.

    If leather is what you want find the shop that installs kits from Classic Soft Trim, http://www.classicsofttrim.com for higher quality leather than OEM. They have two grades.

    For those who want fabric seat covers look for the listings above.

    Recalling the last time I had worn seats recovered the shop did not replace the old fabric and vinyl bolsters with new material, which is what I expected them to do. They removed the worn seat covers and sewed new fabric and vinyl over them. This saved time in having to cut to the pattern of each piece and provided a stronger base for the new materials. Less stretch less apt to wear out again. And you pay for only the material used.

    Here is how you, or the shop, can avoid the side airbag problem with new covers.

    1) Use the OEM seat cover fabrics and have the shop put new fabric (if you are changing color and pattern) on just the face of the seats, the topside of seats and backrests.

    2) Leave the black fabric on the sides as-is so that the covers will match the side airbag points. You will buy less fabric and make it easier to cover all six seats in one day.

    3) Like leather kits, full seat covers would cover the seats entirely including the black felt-like materail Mazda puts on the folding seat backs for carrying cargo (middle and back rows). You want to keep this. But if you want the seat backs to match the seat fronts in color or harmonizing pattern -- then use commercial grade loop pile carpeting or Berber to be realy modern and replace the black felt fabric. Cheaper carpet would have thinner backing material making it easy to just sew it over the felt.

    4) If you want the gray fabric panels on the doors to be changed to the new seat fabric this would be extra cost, but it would also be a good time to upgrade door-mounted speakers while the panels are off. While the seat cover shop works on the seats remove one speaker and take it to an audio shop for size and mounting points. Install the new speakers before the guys put the door panels back on. Saves labor costs later.

    Also for people in the north with cold winters, use the same idea of saving the OEM seat fabrics and have real or faux fleece sewn on. Old becomes new again.

    Getting the panels off sliding doors can't be easy.

    This whole process shouldn’t take more than one day if the shop is good at what it does.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    More on seat covers:

    I checked the Yellow Pages for my area, the Triad in NC, and found several places that make seat covers. Look in the Yellow Pages in your location for general listings: Automobile Seat Covers and/or Automobile Trim and Upholstering. Many shops that do body repair also do trim and leather kit installations, but I would think those who specialize in seats would do a better job.

    If leather is what you want find the shop that installs kits from Classic Soft Trim, http://www.classicsofttrim.com for higher quality leather than OEM. They have two grades.

    For those who want fabric seat covers look for the listings above.

    Recalling the last time I had worn seats recovered the shop did not replace the old fabric and vinyl bolsters with new material, which is what I expected them to do. They removed the worn seat covers and sewed new fabric and vinyl over them. This saved time in having to cut to the pattern of each piece and provided a stronger base for the new materials. Less stretch less apt to wear out again. And you pay for only the material used.

    Here is how you, or the shop, can avoid the side airbag problem with new covers.

    1) Use the OEM seat cover fabrics and have the shop put new fabric (if you are changing color and pattern) on just the face of the seats, the topside of seats and backrests.

    2) Leave the black fabric on the sides as-is so that the covers will match the side airbag points. You will buy less fabric and make it easier to cover all six seats in one day.

    3) Like leather kits, full seat covers would cover the seats entirely including the black felt-like materail Mazda puts on the folding seat backs for carrying cargo (middle and back rows). You want to keep this. But if you want the seat backs to match the seat fronts in color or harmonizing pattern -- then use commercial grade loop pile carpeting and replace the black felt fabric. Cheaper carpet would have thinner backing material making it easy to just sew it over the felt.

    4) If you want the gray fabric panels on the doors to be changed to the new seat fabric this would be extra cost, but it would also be a good time to upgrade door-mounted speakers while the panels are off. Whle the seat cover shop works on the seats remove one speaker and take it to an audio shop for size and mounting points. Install the new speakers before the guys put the door panels back on. Saves labor costs later.

    Also for people in the north with cold winters, use the same idea of saving the OEM seat fabrics and have real or faux fleece sewn on. Old idea becomes new again.

    Getting the panels off sliding doors can't be easy.

    I have a cousin who lives in New Mexico where anything Western is popular. He had his pickup truck seats recovered in a Navajo pattern for the inserts with the side bolsters in a solid suade-like cloth.

    fowler3
  • murphy4murphy4 Posts: 92
    Just about to end a nightmare experience with a Ford Freestyle and saw a Mazda5 in the mall parking lot. We have 2 small children, dog and always seems to have alot of gear.

    Can the 4 cylinder auto handle the family or is the best bet the manual? It seems to be roomy inside.....does it have room for 3 in the back seat if you have 2 child seats??

    Any feedback is appreciated.......
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    What was wrong with your Freestyle? I have over 33K miles and zero problems. Just so you know, the Mazda5 has only 2 seats in the 2nd row.
  • murphy4murphy4 Posts: 92
    June 24th -- 9:20am

    Our Ford Freestyle is still sitting at the dealer. The parts came in twice last week. Both times they arrived damaged. They are now going to see if Ford will authorize a new transmission. This is a joke, they need "authorization" because the dealer does not want to be out any money. Instead they are out a customer and someone how will never recommend them or Ford again.

    We are done, the car is going to sit their until we get closure from Ford Motor Company. The car has been at the dealer 25 days in the last 60 days. We are currently contacting the Ford Zone Manager because the Dealer's General Manager decided to take vacation and "deal with us later".
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  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    I asked the question earlier about these and then found a supplier on the Net. This is really cool for Mazda5 and other 5-door owners. Great for tailgating and weekends introducimg your kids to the Great Outdoors.

    http://www.napierenterprises.com

    It can be used alone without the "sleeve" which attaches over the liftgate. Sleeping bags, an ice cooler w/food, a Coleman stove and pan and you are good to go.

    Only $189.95

    Don't forget your digital camera --we want to see pics.

    fowler3
  • sschribersschriber Posts: 89
    I too owned a 1st Gen Odyssey. It was a great car with a perfect interior layout for my family of 5 ( I had the second row captains chairs). It frustrated the heck out of me that there was an 8 year gap between when that first Odyssey was discontinued and the offering of the 2006 Mazda 5. The 3 row wagon/microvan is the best family vehicle layout IMHO ... why can't the US market figure this out.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    I had the bench seat in the middle and left the third seat folded, best for my use....er..for my dog, so she could run back and forth from side to side to bark at the neighbors. When Honda brought out the big van they lost me -- too much of everything: too wide, too long, too expensive, too much gas.

    Went from the Ody to a Mazda Protegé and loved it. I dislike firm seats and the Pro's seats are almost duplicates of those in the Ody, only lower. And unlike the Ody, the Protegé has a small turning circle and doesn't lean in sharp turns.

    Why am I interested in the MZ5? I miss the Ody van sometimes and wish I had a hatch, but most vans and other cars have wide turning circles. Ever need to make a U-turn quickly on a busy thoroughfare without having to stop, back up, and then pull around? The Mazda5 has the same small turning circle of the Protegé. It can turn from a Left Turn lane make a U-turn and stay in the left lane going in the opposit direction. That's one use for "handling". :)

    Any other car or vehicle I get has to have Mazda's handling, economy, quality, and fun-to-drive. When you look there's nothing out there, especially the size of the Mazda5.

    Why can't Chrysler and GM make the same thing? From the design standpoint, they would get one thing right and ten things wrong. They'd try to please everybody and please nobody. Mazda designs and builds to a particular segment and makes no bones about it. When you buy any other car you are just one more on the road -- when you buy a Mazda you belong to a select group, not necessarily a club, though there are many popping up on the Web. If nothing else you know you made a good decision.

    That's my 2-cents.

    fowler3
    Still zooming at 75 (not mph). ;)
  • cmyers300mcmyers300m Posts: 206
    FYI...the latest Automobile magazine shows that Kia is coming out with a micro-van next spring. It doesn't look bad, but I'd probably opt for the sporty Mazda5. Especially since it has been out a while now.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    That would be a better choice. The Mazda5 has been on sale in Europe for several years, they call it a "Space Wagon". The Kia may be a new model where the Mazda5 is the North American version of an existing vehicle -- with *experience*. The reason the only recall has been the heat shield problem: they can make them almost fool proof, but they can not make them damn-fool proof.

    Who drives 75mph in second gear in a new car?

    What makes the Mazda5 so sporty is that it has some of the styling attributes of the CX-7 without the higher price. And for 2007 -2008?, Mazda is going to offer leather trim -- probably black. :(

    By then aftermarket suppliers will offer trim packages in other colors using higher quality leather. A light gray with dark gray suede seat inserts would be really cool in more ways than one -- suede doesn't get as hot as leather.

    fowler3
  • wa98stratwa98strat Posts: 66
    It's Ironic that you mention "Why can't Chrysler and GM make the same thing?" Because GM's European and Autrailia Subsidiaries are doing exactly that. Look at Vauxhall's Zafira. It's almost a clone of the 5 (without the sliding doors). For some reason GM seems to think that all North American's want is BIG SUV's. My guess is that's why their sales were down 26% last month and why they have been having such a horrible last couple of years. I think they really beleive that Bush's America's Right to all the oil it wants attitude will save them! It won't They need to start taking a look at what their European divisions are doing! and take a lesson. Especially up here in Canada where 3 out of 4 vechicle sold have a 4 cylinder engine, not GM's tired old V8 technology!
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    GM's tired old technology is right. I saw a Buick Lacrosse yesterday, still a big car, with LED taillights. It takes more than LEDs to make a modern car for the 21st Century. The reason there are so many SUVs is because people started thinking the only safe way to be on the road was to drive the same size vehicle. Not that they actually needed an SUV.

    It's about time people started thinking about smaller vehicles in a realistic way. The time is coming when "I HAVE TO HAVE..." no longer matters and what you can buy, like it or not, does. Washington state is starting a test program taxing drivers on the number of miles they drive annually, which will cause many drivers to re-think where they really have to go. We'll pay for it in miles driven, higher taxes, and higher fuel prices if we don't start thinking smaller.

    The way to pull the road out from under die-hard SUV owners is to limit the amount of gas they can buy at gas stations. They will get tired of waiting in lines going from station to station. ;)

    fowler3
  • Do the middle seats come out? I'll be picking up my 5 on Friday...trading in the thirsty MPV, but a little worried about giving up some space. Hope this is as great a car as everyone says..my buying experience has been less than great.
  • wa98stratwa98strat Posts: 66
    No the middle seats don't come out, but they do fold flat at the same level as the 3rd row, making a level load floor.
  • rdelaneyrdelaney Posts: 5
    I am waiting until the 2007 models come out before I purchase and am trying to get as much information as I can. Hopefully Mazda will address some of the 2006 issues (armrest)but what I am hoping for is a diesel option. At lease they may drive down the price of the 2006 or better still, some used 5's will be out there. Does anyone have any info on the 2007?
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