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Economy Sedans (~$16k-$20k)

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,654
    First thing I noticed while adjusting the mirrors...they don't fold! Odd for a mid sized car not to include these. I've done the garage test with a few cars over the years actually...most dealers will let us do this. Trust me, if I do get the Sonata, the wife will just have to move her M3 to the other side. We've already kicked the one daughter's Versa out of the garage as the other girl & her Accent will be back home next Tuesday. The wife & I both want to park inside so the girls will be outside either in front of the house or at the neighbors foreclosed house.

    Actually have decided to live with the seats in the Civic for the time being. Car only has 21.8k on it and it looks outstanding with the older Civic alloys on it. Also have replaced the speakers & added tweeters and an amp so the sound system rocks. Better to just save the $ and buy some laddered CD's or possibly even some muni bonds. Much better scenario in these crazy economic times.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I don't know if I have ever folded mirrors in on a car...I think maybe once at a car wash this was suggested for our minivan. I couldn't tell you if they fold on either of our sedans and I can not imagine why I'd want to fold them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Tight parking spaces in parking garages (public or home) is the big one for me. My vehicles with folding mirrors have saved me much grief and some money over the years. Currently the mirrors fold on 3 out of 4 of my family fleet. Fortunately, the one that doesn't have them almost never parks in a garage.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    You must never park in close quarters. :)
  • colloquorcolloquor Posts: 482
    Newly discovered reliability?? Funny, my 2006 Elantra has never had one failure, or warranty replacement, since purchase in December 2005. Oil and filter changes, and the normal maintenance schedule - that's it. The same can't be said for the last new Honda Civic I purchased - several warranty claims within the first year.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    That's great anecdotal evidence, but I'm sure you know one car out of 300k won't necessarily represent a majority of them. Personally, my GF has a Santa Fe which I like, and I drive an Accord, which she likes. We've both replaced our CD Players/Changers under warranty, and she just had her sunglasses holder fixed.

    Hers is an 07 with 16k miles, mine's an 06 with 49k miles.

    Go figure. :)
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,654
    All four of our fleet have them and there a g-dsend. Parking in the garage can be tricky so we fold 'em in. Whomever parks on the driveway folds 'em in. Pulling into my side of the garage, I pull it in so I don't scrape against the brick surrounding the entrance. Did that numerous times with my 2 last drives.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • joegiantjoegiant Posts: 90
    Just curious. What is it that the Japanese made Mazda has over the Korean made Hyundai to allow them to charge somewhere between $2500 to $3500 more for a comparably equipped car? I have looked at these two "economy cars" extensively and can only figure the 2010 Mazda is a new generation ("smiley face") while the Hyundai is still offering the '09 carryover from '08. Assuming the '10's in the Fall from Korea will be different? Backy...you out there? Your opinion is always appreciated. TIA.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    Just curious. What is it that the Japanese made Mazda has over the Korean made Hyundai to allow them to charge somewhere between $2500 to $3500 more for a comparably equipped car?

    Drive them both. If you can't feel the difference and don't note any additional features, get the cheaper one. The Mazda isn't really marketed as an economy car, its a "premium small car." The Focus is an economy car.

    I don't see how you get $2500-3500 more. According to Edmunds, the difference between an Elantra SE and a Mazda3i Touring is ~$100, and the Mazda3 comes with floor mats.
  • joegiantjoegiant Posts: 90
    From Fitzgerald's website: $16,286 for a Mazda3 i Touring (manual)...$13,662 for an SE (manual) w/mats (doesn't come with floor mats ;) ). There's your $2500ish number. Can go up another grand depending on how you juice 'em with the various option combinations.

    I've driven the Elantra SE. Rode like a new car. Imagine that. The 3 probably drives alot like my old Protege' with an engine (The Pro' only had a rat under the hood going around on a treadmill but admittedly the car could do corners if you could look beyond the rodent propulsion system.).

    $3000 for...image? Again, not trying to be smart. Just curious as to what exactly causes the disparity in price between these two.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    From Fitzgerald's website: $16,286 for a Mazda3 i Touring (manual)...$13,662 for an SE (manual) w/mats (doesn't come with floor mats ). There's your $2500ish number. Can go up another grand depending on how you juice 'em with the various option combinations.

    And one is a brand new just launched model and one is a 5 year old end of life model on closeout. Closeouts can be great deals, that's how I got my TV. Some of those options, according to Edmunds, are only offered on the Mazda.

    I've driven the Elantra SE. Rode like a new car. Imagine that. The 3 probably drives alot like my old Protege' with an engine (The Pro' only had a rat under the hood going around on a treadmill but admittedly the car could do corners if you could look beyond the rodent propulsion system.).

    $3000 for...image? Again, not trying to be smart. Just curious as to what exactly causes the disparity in price between these two.


    Right...so you are comparing a brand new car, as you said, to your 15 year old car...yup sounds like a good plan. Like I said, drive both NEW cars, and pick which one is the best value for you.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Well, the Elantra is NOT a five-year-old model. The current generation was introduced in the fall of 2006, so it's not quite 3 years old. But I think there are two main reasons for a price disparity: labor cost differential between Japan and ROK; and a costlier engine in the Mazda (modern aluminum high-output 2.0L engine vs. relatively ancient iron-block, lower-power 2.0L engine in the Elantra). I don't think there is a huge difference in sticker prices. The Elantra, being an older model than the 2010 3i and also being a Hyundai (not a shot, but Hyundai tends to offer good incentives on their cars), does have a lower real-world price. It will be interesting to see as we get into 2010 and the Mazda3i is no longer quite as new, if pricing will get closer. Also I have a feeling (based on some facts but it's my opinion) that the 2010 Elantra will see a refresh, since it will be 3 years old and its cousin the Kia Forte has shot past the Elantra in sophistication--something I don't expect the Hyundai part of the Hyundai/Kia partnership will sit still for. For instance, I predict we'll see new all-aluminum engines in the Elantra with similar power (actually a little better I think) compared to the Mazda3, for 2010. The Forte has these now, also a 5AT Shiftronic and 6MT on some trims--not available on the Elantra now. We'll probably also see a tweak to the Elantra's exterior--maybe a nose job at least, and maybe an updated interior.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    Is it the link in that post which is screwing up my margins so I cannot see full lines of text (or the reply button)?

    Edit: Must have been. This post brought me to the "next page" and everything displays correctly.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The link in that post wraps for me in Firefox 3.0.11 so that everything displays fine. Are you saying that it tries to appear all on one line for you? What browser/version are you using?
  • joegiantjoegiant Posts: 90
    Thanks backy for your input. I think you're onto something with the labor costs 'tween the two countries AND the newer more high tech engine coming out of Japan as opposed to the somewhat dated Beta II engine in the current generation Elantra. Btw, in my research I did see that Mazda has already had a recall on that "new high tech engine" having something to do with the spacing under the hood and possible problems. Thinking the Hyundai has probably got those type of kinks worked out by now. But the Elantra IS an '09 for depreciation's sake although I suppose that's where the deals lie for those of us who run 'em into the ground and don't trade every two and a half years. The thing just screams VALUE to me. Call me whacked but I guess I just don't see the need to pay the markup on the 3i right now. Point A to point B over the great American highway. Guess that's why I've never considered Honda or Toyota much as I can't stand the thought of paying for a name badge.

    Again, thanks for your comments.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    If you like how the Elantra drives, I can see why you wouldn't be willing to pay extra for the Mazda3i. But there are some folks who see a distinct difference in how the two cars drive, or they prefer the looks of the Mazda3i, or maybe they have bought into the Mazda "zoom zoom" stuff or like the idea of buying a car made in Japan vs. the ROK. Different strokes (and cars) for different folks.

    Another thing to consider, since you are price-conscious buyer, is to get a slightly used car, maybe a certified one with extended factory warranty. I have taken the used route now for every car I've bought since 2004 (which was an Elantra GT I still have). That wouldn't work of course if you are going the "cash for clunkers" route.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,654
    We own a Mazda 3s and have recently driven both the Elantra SE and the Touring wagon and the M3 is a much smoother, quieter ride especially with the 2.3 engine. Both Elantra's were very thrashy & loud up the power band which disturbed me. Even drove a new '09 Sonata right afterwards and it was so much quieter it wasn't funny. Not quite sure how the 2.0 Mazda engine would sound as we never test drove it...we knew we wanted the bigger engine for the wife.

    Was at the dealership yesterday for the 1st oil change for my kids Accent, as she's back from her Epcot internship. Also had some warranty work done. Sat in a '09 Elantra SE in the showroom and was surprised at how the seating material felt...very nice. But again, thought the Sonata was a much better car all around. But if push came to shove, wouldn't mind any of the Hyundai models for a daily driver. Haven't tried the new '10 M3 yet so I can't give an intelligent answer on the car but the wife likes it so we'll get to try it, probably in the '11 model run. But don't think that any of these choices will be bad...Hyundai has come a long way and is almost the equal of the Honda/Nissan/Toyota products. Am very interested in the new Kia Forte...think it's the real sleeper in this group of small economy cars actually...a great looking small car!

    The Sandman :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,694
    the new Kia Forte is hot looking, I agree.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,654
    While at the Honda dealer last week, went over to the Kia store but they had no Forte's in stock. The SX model is what I'd be interested in eventually so was disappointed there were none to sit in and get the feel of it. Now I hear that the new Civic will be a 2012 model instead of a 2011 one. But that works for me as I'd be looking around 2012 for my next new ride anyways...if not 2013 or 2014. By then, there should be a ton of econoboxes to choose from...crazy cool

    The Sandman :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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