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  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    Almost every Japanese car has gotten bigger over the years. Probably the most drastic is the Civic. It used to be tiny and small. Now its a good sized car equivalent to the old (not very old) Accords.

    I like the Minivan example. If you parked a 84 Dodge, a 93 Dodge, and a new one, you would see it growing. Actually the Toyota minivans have done the same thing from the Van to the Previa to the 1st Sienna to the present one.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... Mazda MPV in 2000. Lots of comments on the Mazda forum at that time about underpowered the MPV was at 170 hp..."

    They are still saying that at 200 hp!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    If anyone thinks any 200HP car is underpowered, they are probably a bad driver...

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  • brvsgrlbrvsgrl Posts: 2
    I have posted before about the low mpg that I have been getting on my 2006 Xa. I was hoping that it would get better and maybe even be close to what the posters claimed to be getting. However, it seems that my mpg is just getting lower. I just drove from SF to LA and averaged about 28 mpg on the highway for the first leg of the trip. Far off from the 38 touted by Toyota. That was before I hit the grapevine. I know that the next trip to the gas station is going to yield even less mpg considering that the Xa could hardly go up the hill in a satisfactory manner and I was at 4000-5000 rpm for traveling at 50-60 mph. I was so happy with my car initially but the more I have it the more I feel that I made a great mistake. The only good thing about it is that it is small and easier to park on the street. I also do not know what Consumer report was thinking when it listed the Xa as the best for actual fuel economy for automatic small cars. I rather be driving a car with greater power and low mpg than a car that is just a big disappointment.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    Oh if you are showing 4,000--5,000 rpm at 50 to 60 mph then your automatic transmission isn't shifting into high gear...which would explain your problem.

    Also if you drive long distances in the "defrost" position, your AC is on, and that will drop mileage by at least 10%.

    There is definitely something wrong with your car.

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  • I'm not familiar with the shifter on the Xa. Not sure if it's the same as my Tc. On my Tc, Drive and 3rd gear are side-by-side. There have been a few times where I put in 3rd instead of drive. If I were on the highway, 3rd gear would be high rpm and less mpg.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    Underpowered 200 hp Mazda MPV:

    Consumer Reports...
    "... The noisy Ford-supplied 3.0-liter V6 delivers lackluster performance."
    http://www.consumerreports.org:80/cro/cars/models/mazda/mpv/model-overview/miniv- an-es.htm?resultPageIndex=1&resultIndex=1&searchTerm=mazda%20mpv

    Consumer Guide...
    "... driver must frequently floor the gas pedal to achieve good progress, especially in hilly terrain or in highway merging or passing."
    http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/New/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38742/Act/Roadt- est/
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    There is a thread on ScionLife about 2006 xA's coming from the factory with Denso spark plugs incorrectly gapped and causing poor mileage:
    http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1477102&highlight=#1477102

    Another person found his poor mileage was caused by his air cleaner and intake tube becoming unclamped. I think this allowed air to be introduced downstream of the air mass flow sensor which caused the sensor to misjudge the amount of air the engine was getting vs the fuel mixture.
  • I have a 2006 xB with only 620 miles on it so not even close to a broken in engine. First tank showed 32.5 mpg, second was 38.5mpg. Some use of a/c and a mix of driving - interstate, two lane and city. I have to say that I have yet to at least equal, and usually substantially exceed, EPA sticker mileage. Our Volvo S60 non turbo routiinely got 30-38 mpg, as against in the mid twenties EPA. I can't claim to drive around at 25mph either but keep up with the normal flow of traffic. Anticipatory driving and easy use of throttle and revs certainly help. However, when my lead-footed spouse gets to drive, the mpg's come down markedly.

    Driving for mileage is a learned skill just as is driving for speed or driving for safety. Keeping to the posted speed limits certainly helps, not least when you observe how "speedy" drivers weaving through traffic seldom gain much time or distance advantage.
  • Movermike, I had a problem with my ac unit making noise. My mechanic diagnosed the problem as a stuck clutch, but Scion maintained nothing was wrong. I even told them what my mechnic said and they still refused to acknowledge the problem. I guess when a dealer only makes $125 profit on a car they just don't care about customer service.
  • that may be,but buyers cannot/should not accept this. not to politik, but in this Corporate-owned world, its more important than ever to announce yourself. call, e-mail, send snail mail to Scion/Toyota regarding your problem-although, i'll admit, i'm still waiting for a reply to my on correspondence-i dont know how old you car is, but something like that has to be covered-demand that a Sales wonk take a test drive w/ AC on & let him here it-and if he wont, tell him you're a local-newspaper letter writer, and will warn the locals to stay away...Exert Yourself!...Mover
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    I have been pleased with my MT xB's mileage, too.

    The first three tanks were 33.5 mpg, doing constant acceleration and deceleration under 3000 rpm on rural roads for break-in.

    The next tank was 40.5 mpg, driving as gently as possible, mostly on rural roads, with some suburban and city driving.

    The most recent tank was 35.5 mpg, driving as gently as possible, mostly in suburban driving.

    That was all on 87 octane. Now at 1700 miles I have filled it with 93 octane, to avoid any invocation of the knock sensor under full throttle, so that the engine will make its maximum power. And I am driving it hard. Flooring it often, winding it out through the gears in traffic and on rural roads, and going 75 on Interstate hops around the city. I am curious to see how low the mpg will go. I expect it will be around 27 mpg.
  • satswacsatswac Posts: 4
    Driving habits first and then car maint. second. If you don't monitor your driving habits, you'll only carry over the bad habits. One of my vehicles is a '95 silverado with 149K miles. With gas prices taking off I MADE myself more aware of my habits. Easy acceleration, easy and long stops (save on brake pads too), 3 seconds between me and the car in front (to avoid those sudden stops), never exceeding 60 mph, stuff like that. In short, driving the way I'm suppose to. I went from 16 mpg to 17.5 with 90% of driving done on the highway. Too bad we can't ask the car "how am I driving?" rather than assuming it's the car's fault.
  • james49james49 Posts: 5
    I have a 2005 xB with automatic. Consistently get 28-31 in town driving, and on one trip from Oregon to Wyoming driving at or above posted speed limits, I got 44 on 2 fillups. Usually get 35-37 on highway. Another trip to California got me 38-39 freeway driving. Now the wife has a 2006 model, she gets 30-31 in mostly town driving. We use Mobil 1 5w-30 since 2000 miles and K&N air filters.
  • I just wanna let you know that Toyota has he worst Cust. satisfaction I have ever expierenced, corporate, dealerships,etc. I have had a problem with my XB for a year now, I wanted to keep but I have had issues with paint chipping and horrible MPG, anyways, they did nothing. A year a got fed up and bought a Mazda. I dont necessarily think its Toyota that sucks, I just think that they treat the Scion owners differently. :lemon:
  • Beleive me, there are many out there with this problem, my family and I purchased a 2005 Scion XB and a 2005 Toyota Prius. The XB wasnt even close to the advertised MPH. 25 advertised of course is 31, any ways I never got more than that. Now as for the Prius, of course everyone knows that it suppose to run 50 to 60, sorry this prius runs at 38. No more no less, very disappointing for my family and I. We have had problems with Toyota. Keep this in mind when looking for MPH on Toyotas, subtract 5 miles from the suggested mileage. That way you arent as dissapointed when it doesnt even get close to suggested. We really have a bad taste in our mouth with Toyota and it might be a while until we trust them again, we are considering trading in our Prius for a Honda Civic Hybrid, I heard that they have a better track record, with mileage predictions.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Toyota doesn't advertise the mpg of its models - it merely reprints the ratings calculated by the EPA, which it is REQUIRED BY LAW to do.

    As for the hybrids, Toyota came out publicly and stated that real-world mileage will not approach the EPA ratings, even though some people manage to achieve those numbers anyway. Toyota actually asked for permission to put an extra note on the car's sticker stating that real-world mileage will be less than the EPA rating, but the government told them they couldn't do it.

    However, the government DOES maintain a website where real owners can post their fuel economy averages, and last time I looked at it, Prius owners were averaging 47 mpg, NOT the 38 someone posted above.

    The xB is a brick in terms of aerodynamic drag - I imagine that if you drive fairly fast most of the time, it would be easy to get mileage only in the mid-20s. That car is putting a whole lot of glass and metal in the wind.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    I never expected the EPA figures to be "real" when I bought my Scion, but I would NOT have been happy if it fell under the "low range" (city)completely. As it turns out, it's about 8% less on average than the window sticker would indicate.

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  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    I don't understand why people can't get good mileage with their xB. In my new manual transmission xB with 1800 miles I have experimented with different kinds of driving. I am pleased:

    During break in with constantly and wastefully varying the speed = 33 mpg (on 3 tanks).
    After break in, driving as easy as possible = 40 mpg (on 1 tank).
    After break in, driving normally = 35 mpg (on one tank).

    Now I have filled the tank with 93 octane gas to avoid the knock sensor's reducing the power under high load, and am driving harder. Hard accelerations, shifting past 3000 rpm, etc. I expect the mpg could drop into the high 20's.

    I am satisfied with my xB's mpg, as I think it can be anything I want it to be.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    Did my first full highway trip using up a tank of gas and got 38.2 mpg at 65 mph with the AC on. I think I'm about to break 40 mpg without AC on long trips. I'll let you know.

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  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    That sounds like an automatic.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    nope, stickshift. right now, it looks like worst mileage is full-on city driving, at about 30.5 mpg, and best is full-on highway at around 38.5 mpg. So really, it's pretty darn close to EPA. I think when I average it all out at the end of the year over 12,000 miles it'll be (for me anyway) about 33-34 mpg. So about ten MPG less than a "real world" Prius total.

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  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    That's about what I am getting with my manual, too, except I have not been "all-city" yet to get that low number. Some people don't get as good mileage as us, and I am sure it must be their driving habits.

    BTW, I met someone who bought a several-year-old Prius for $12K, and said he was glad he had bought a warranty on it for another $1.5K. He said in the past year the warranty has paid for $10K in claims.
    He said the cost was a combination of many things going wrong with the car, the difficulty and extra time required for working on the hybrid, and some dealer incompetence and mistakes.
    One example: The dealer drained the coolants. The electric motor has a separate cooling system, which they forgot to refill, which fortunately only burned up that water pump, which was a very special and costly part, and the front end of the car had to be removed to get at it.
    I think as the hybrids age, get high miles, break down and have accidents, we are going to hear more complaints about the complexity and cost of maintaining and repairing them. Their high initial and running costs will never be offset by their slightly better gas mileage.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    Well my only objection to the Prius is really that it is not a very enjoyable driving experience. I presume that they'll have the usual Toyota reliability, but as you say, as cars age, all kinds of things come up that the engineers never anticipated---since they can test "in mileage" but they can't test "in time".

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  • bing8bing8 Posts: 11
    Mr shiftright,
    I'm looking for the mileage of the XB in real world numbers. One of your messages indicates your XB got 33-34 average over the year. Don't you mean the Scion XA?? Your website indicates that you own an XA not an XB. I want the XB if it gets great mileage.
    Thank you
    bing8
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    Oh sorry, maybe I made a typo?

    I think it is the general consensus on this board that the xB will get somewhat fewer MPG than the xA because of its rather mediocre aerodynamics and no doubt because people would tend to carry more weight in it.

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  • tmackenzietmackenzie Posts: 1
    I bought mine used w/ 9k on it. I am getting a consistent 32.5 mpg in mostly city/suburban driving. I don't drive the car hard or push it from stoplights or merging onto the highway. Just normal driving and acceleration.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,954
    That's quite good. You must be a fairly careful driver.

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  • I've owned my Scion tC for almost two years now, and haven't had any major problems. Although, when I am backing out of my driveway, which is on a very slight slope, my tC creaks in a few different places. I didn't notice this at first, but it seems to be getting worse. Would this, over time, cause the roof glass panels to leak?
    On to the gas mileage. I live in Houston, and the traffic is horrible. I drive 50 miles one way to work, and have noticed I don't get really good gas mileage. In the morning driving to work, the traffic is stop and go. Every few blocks I am stopped by red lights for about 10 or so miles. Driving home, the trip is smooth with minimal traffic. My average speed is 75mps. I find that my car gets better gas with the stop and go traffic. I know driving fast is bad on mileage, but I fill up every 3.5 days. I love my car, but I wish it got better gas mileage.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... I don't get really good gas mileage... Every few blocks I am stopped by red lights for about 10 or so miles. Driving home... My average speed is 75mph.... I wish it got better gas mileage."

    Those are the two worst possible conditions for mileage. 50% stop and go from light to light, and 50% high speed on the Interstate. Don't blame the car.
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