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Saab 9-3 Lease Questions

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  • Hi Fred. The MSRP for a 2007 Saab 9-3 Aero Sedan with an automatic transmission is currently $34,895. this car's dealer invoice price is $33,142. Let's say that you are able to get it for $500 over invoice. That would put your selling price at $33,642. Using these prices, I estimate that a lease of this car through Saab Financial Services Corp. for 36 months with 10,000 miles per year would have a zero down, pre-tax monthly payment of around $411. That's a good payment to shoot for. If you are able to negotiate a lower selling price than this, this car's payment would drop slightly.

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  • I am just returning my lease and will never get one. Bad service, the dealerships in California are basically and extension of cadillac dealership.
    Add this to your cost of leasing. Brakes need replacing every $25,000 miles and $500 bucks per axel i.e $1000 on brakes. Everything falls apart. I had about 4 rcalls and the dealership loans me a Chevy cobalt from enterprise rental everytime I go there.
    If you buy a BMW you drive a BMW loaner when your car is in the shop.
    Use your own judgement before you buy or lease one.
    And the lease return, They give you a book and make you go through every nick and dent plus there the $350 recovery fee.
    Also add replacement of all 4 tires for $1000. The perelli's don't for 45,000 miles and they make you replace them for excessive wear and tear.
    I am a GM employee and won't consider another SAAB even with GM employee discount.
    I am buying the Saturn Aura.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    I don't mean this as a flame ...but in just how many forums do you plan to post your semi-literate diatribe?Your car had recalls?OK..Are you aware that everybodys "most" reliable manufacturer,Toyota, recalled more cars than any other manufacturer last year?Dealers have varying policies on loaner cars.I personally don't know of any in the Philadelphia area that have less than 12-15 Saab loaner cars available.Name me a speed rated performance tire from any manufacturer that will give you 45,000 miles of wear.And also name all the lease programs that do not have disposition fees?.... A fee which SAAB waives if you re-lease with them,by the way.Brakes at 25,000 miles($25,000?? lol!)if you are driving in an urban,stop-and-go area is not that unusual.Sorry you had a bad experience but it sounds like some of the criticisms you are applying universally are unique to your limited leasing knowledge,individual experience and some unrealistic expectations.A more mass market generic car like a Saturn may in fact be a better fit for you
  • "I don't mean this as a flame"...Yes, you do, saablcp!

    andygrv has told us the story about his personal experience with the SAAB lease and dealership in California, not in Pennsylvania. If you like your local SAAB dealers-good for you! The fellow in California was not trying to convince you otherwise.

    Yet, having four recalls on a car is not OK, not these days.

    Do not jump on this fellow because of a misprint and call him semi-literate. BTW, it is ether literate or illiterate, the same as a fish quility: there is no second grade freshness.

    "...some of the criticisms you are applying universally" - do not put words in someone's mouth. Our personal experience is what we, most of the time, make our conclusions and decisions. andygrv has decided for him/herself not to deal anymore with SAAB based on his personal experience in California. If one to extrapolate your logic, he should not have come to such conclusion before spending some time in your area, where SAAB dealers are good. Then what, he/she will have to move in permanently? I do not think so.

    We stay where we like, we buy cars, and if we are not happy with them, we get rid of them and buy the better ones.

    Perception of a car quality is based upon opinions of individual owners. If particular owner feels that his/her car is just a moving nuisance, nothing could change that.

    So, enjoy your SAAB and let others to express freely their opinions.

    Matroskin
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    I said semi-literate and that is what I meant...part of being taken credibly when you complain is staying on point and expressing yourself intelligently enough to be given some credence. The criticisms he expressed in "general terms",none of which you addressed, were having to pay a disposition fee(not unique to Saab)not getting more than 25,000 miles on his brakes(not unique to Saab),not getting 45,000 miles on his Pirelli speed rated/performance tires(not unique to Saab or any sport sedan with speed rated performance tires)and the high cost of replacing the brakes(once again not unique to Saab).The only criticism he made which was valid, in that it applied solely to his experience, were the dealer service related issues.The other reasons for never getting a Saab again should not be argued as being unique to Saab,as I pointed out.I still think his expectations will be better met and he will ultimately be happier with a Saturn,as would be true also of a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord.
  • Good Morning:

    I just received a lease offer on a 60th Anniv 9-3 2.0LTurbo...

    12,000 miles
    27 months
    $401 inception
    $32,920 sticker
    GMS pricing
    $352 per month

    Is anything negotiable on a GMS lease? Or is it take it or leave it. Also, what is the base rate that you speak of and how does it come into play? Thank you.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    The GMS employee pricing is a non-negotiable price.Every dealer invoice will have the GMS price clearly printed on the bottom left portion of the invoice and your Authorization document will ask you to sign off on the fact that it was disclosed to you.This is a closely audited program which only has value if it is monitored and adhered to by the dealers.The dealer is,however, allowed to mark up the lease finance rate as much as a point above the base rate.
  • hi car_man,

    I have a question about leasing a 2007 saab 9-3 2.0t. This is my first time leasing so I want to make sure I'm not getting taken advantage of:

    MSRP: $28,015
    $259/month, 27 months, 10,000 miles a year
    $2129 due at signing, plus taxes

    This is a "special" they are running. Is there a way to not put $2129 down plus taxes? I'd like the payment to not go over $300/month. Is this possible, or am I dreaming?

    I'd apreciate any help you can provide.

    Thanks so much!
  • The lowest I've seen for 10,000 miles is $328 a month for a 60th anniv special (there is a $1000 cash back offer on it). You'll be hard pressed to get a 9.3 for under $330 a month.

    If you are leasing, why put anything down on it? $2129 divided by 27 months is $79/month. Total price is $338/month.

    Don't forget, they offer early lease turn in. Sometimes 2-3 months early. So why make the downpayment? Don't throw money away. Keep it in your pocket, not his.

    Wait em' out and let them come to you.
  • Saablcp,
    I may be illiterate but I am bright enough to understand what a real scheduled maintenance means and you should check out BMW 's site for it.
    link title

    Don’t get confused with what SAAB sells as scheduled maintenance.
    BMW covers the brakes for 50,000 miles and they don't charge $1000 (front and rear) for a brake job at 25,000 miles nor does BMW ask you to replace all the tires when you return the car.

    I am not trying to bash SAAB but I just want future buyers to know that there are other hidden costs when you lease a SAAB and there are other car companies like BMW that covers them. And that is the exact reason why BMW is still independent and not bought over by GM or Ford.

    I am just trying to warn the buyers that in your 45,000 mile lease cost of leasing make sure you add $1000 for a brake job and a set a of tires plus a $350 recovery fees.

    Saablcp
    You can use your PHD and read what BMW has to say about schedules maintanance.
    We cover all factory-recommended maintenance at no charge for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, as well as items that need replacement due to regular wear and tear.

    Your maintenance costs:
    • Scheduled inspections: $0
    • Brake Pads: $0
    • Brake Rotors: $0
    • Engine Belts: $0
    • Oil Changes: $0
    • Wiper Blade Inserts: $0
    • Inspections: $0
    • Fluid Services: $0

    By offering such a comprehensive maintenance program with every new vehicle, we are able to help you manage the cost of ownership and keep maintenance costs down.

    And since all services are done at an authorized BMW center, by a BMW certified technician who has been specially trained by us, we can guarantee that only original BMW parts will be used. In other words, your BMW will be maintained by our standards, which are, admittedly, higher than most.

    Also
    BMW and Lexus actually gives a BMW or Lexus as replacement vehicle when your car is in the shop.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Andy.

    First of all, let me point out that i am a huge BMW fan, own one, and will most probably buy a 335i sometime soon.

    BMW's scheduled maintenence is one year longer than saab's and they cover brakes. But bear in mind a similar BMW may be several thousand more than a similar saab in a lease deal, or 5-10K more purchased. That will cover an extra brake job and 1 year of maintenence quite easily. On a BMW you will also most likely need to buy tires over the course of a 45K lease, and they have lease end fees as well--everyone does. BMW brakes may cost more or less than saab ones depending on where you go. Even brakes on a chevy can set you back. That's life.

    Secondly, there is a lot of variance between dealers. My old saab dealer did give saabs as loaner cars. All my bmw dealers have as well, but i do know of bmw dealers that do not.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    And of course that comprehensive free scheduled maintenance is in fact totally free and the fact that the average comparably equipped BMW has an MSRP that is higher than any of it's direct competitors has no bearing on this...right?. Cosmic law of the universe,Bucko....."There's no such thing as a "free" lunch".And you still have apparently not researched what the lease end disposition fees are on the other cars in the market place.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    >and the fact that the average comparably equipped BMW has an MSRP that is higher than any of it's direct competitors has no bearing on this...right?

    Hm. That's a *little* bit of a stretch. Mercedes is certianly a direct competitior, and in some contexts more expensive companies like porsche and maserati are (m5 versus quatroporte?).

    Strictly speaking, saab and BMW are not competitiors, so it's hard really compare their cost/benefit. When i think of competitors for saab, i think acura and maybe even subaru.
  • - Northern NJ -

    Got a few lease quotes around the same price for a 9-3 60th anniversary with cold weather package, auto and moonroof
    msrp ~$32,000

    27 months
    $320 a month
    $1000 cap cost reduc.

    Only about $25 a month more than a 20,000 msrp Nissan altima...

    I could have gotten the 9-3 aero for about $50 more a month if I wanted.... tempting but I don't need the power and less mpg.

    Saab really does have some good lease deals right now.

    easy choice!
  • sdoo25sdoo25 Posts: 25
    I was hoping someone could tell me what the money factor and residual value is for March for a 2.0T, 24 and 36 mo lease. TIA!
  • fgaz1fgaz1 Posts: 14
    What would your total out of pocket expenses be including your sales tax usage and plates? In Iowa i got a quote of 355.00 x 27 months for same car with 2000 down total...tax plates included...also ,what would the deal be for the aero as well...thanks in advance for any info you may have...thanks ,fred
  • anyone know what a "good" deal on a 9-3 Aero sedan, automatic trans in the DC/MD/NoVA area would be-typical monthly payments, TTL, etc??? Thanks
  • manayukmanayuk Posts: 2
    Hi Car_man and all,

    :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:

    First time leasing and would appreciate any info. Shopped around and got a few quotes. Best is:

    MSRP 31920$ (60th anniversary, moon roof, winter pkg)
    Net CAP: 30484$
    Money factor: 0.00202
    15,000 Miles a year/ 68% residual

    Including tax and all other fees:
    27 month - 342$
    4000$ down

    Is this a reasonable price? What can I neggotiate?
    Thanx
  • manayukmanayuk Posts: 2
    Hi realhawker - can you please mention if these figures include tax and fees? I'm looking for the exact same specs as you mentioned in NJ and got a significantly higher offer :mad: .

    Unable to e-mail you via the edmunds site. Would appreciate your inputs. And can you mention the dealership you got it from.

    Cheers
  • To all that inquired....

    My MSRP and sale price were the exact same(seems to be a popular configuration).

    my mileage a year was 10k (I don't drive as much)

    My out the door expenses(Tax, bank fee, sec deposit, Title/license) were ~$2700 INCLUDING a $1000 cap cost reduction...

    what's funny is I got these numbers without negotiation.

    my email is realhawker@gmail.com I can email you some dealer contacts if you are interested.

    again my monthly payment is $320 a month...
  • rjdayrjday Posts: 4
    Was just quoted $40282 plus tax and title for the convertible (prem audio pkg, premium 16 " wheel pkg, automatic, cold weather pkg). Seems like a good deal. Am I right? I think I'd like to lease with zero money down for 36 months. Could you help me negotiate a lease. What should my payments be? Whart residual should I expect? Thanks for the help!
  • Hey Car_man, this is my first time leasing a car. I am looking into the Saab 9-3 convertible among other cars. I am seriously considering the the Saab 9-3 convertible, fully loaded. I will be leasing the car in Miami, and I have tier one credit. I would prefer a 2 year lease, although if it makes that much of a difference in price I would take a 3 year lease. After all is said and done (taxes, fees, etc.) approximately how much should I expect to pay per month?
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Hi dtdandl. I'm glad to hear that you qualify for GMS pricing on the Saab that you are interested in. The fact that you are eligible to purchase through this program will provide you with a great selling price on the car that you are interested in without having to haggle. It wouldn't hurt to double check that the dealer you are working with is using Saab Financial Services' current base lease rate of 3.35% for this model to calculate your car's monthly payment, but if this is a GMS deal chances are they are.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Welcome bill_saab. Since you are new to the world of leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles that are available here at Edmunds.com prior to visiting any dealers: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment.

    It's good that you know the MSRP of the car that you are interested in, but you never mentioned its selling price. This is an important number for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing the price of the car that you want to lease you don't know how good a price you are getting it for. The second reason is that one needs the selling price of a vehicle that they want to lease is that it is necessary to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to give you my opinion of this deal if you let me know what its selling price is.

    As far as the money due at lease signing goes, banks usually charge vehicles' first months' payments, a security deposit equivalent to the payment rounded up to the nearest $25 or $50 increment, an acquisition fee (which is $595 for Saab Financial Services), and any capitalized cost reduction that you want to make (aka down payment) at lease signing. Consumers can and should lease any vehicle that they are interested in without making any sort of down payment. Doing so will make your monthly payment a little higher, but will protect you from losing your money if your vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. You also can roll your car's acquisition fee into its capitalized cost to bake it into your monthly payment. This will again increase your monthly payment a little bit, but it will keep you from having to pay that $595 at lease signing. Let me know what this car's selling price is and I can calculate what the monthly payment would be on a lease without any down payment.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Hi sdoo25. Here's the information that you're looking for. Saab Financial Services' current base lease rate and residual value for a 24 month lease of a 2007 Saab 9-3 2.0T Sedan with 15,000 mile per year are 3.35% and 69%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease are 3.35% and 63%. As you can see SFSC publishes lease rates instead of money factors for the vehicles that it leases. You can convert its published lease rates into approximate money factor equivalents by dividing them by 2400.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Hi aerogirl1. I personally would shoot for $500 over dealer invoice if I was in the market for a 2007 Saab 9-3 Aero Sedan right now. If you are looking at a model that has been in dealer inventory since December 15, 2006 (there is a good chance that you are), Saab is providing $750 bonus cash on it that you should take into account with your offer. Make sure to stop by the following discussion to see how much other community members have paid for similar cars lately: "Saab 9-3 : Prices Paid & Buying Experience".

    Once you know the MSRP and approximate selling price of the exact car that you want, let me know how long you want to lease it for and how many miles per year you need to be able to drive it and I will be happy to use this information to estimate what your lease payment would be like right now.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Greetings manayuk. Since you are new to the world of leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles that are available here at Edmunds.com prior to visiting any dealers: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment.

    This car doesn't have much of a spread between its MSRP and dealer invoice price, so the $1,436 discount that you are bring given on this car is pretty good. Having said this, on March 15th, Saab introduced a new program that provides a $750 cash allowance on '07 9-3s that have been in dealer inventory since December 15, 2006. If your car has been on the lot for that long, make sure that you get the dealer to take this cash into account on your deal.

    Saab Financial Services' current base lease rate for this car is 3.35%. This is equivalent to a money factor of around .00140. Make sure that the dealer that you are working with uses this money factor to calculate your car's monthly payment.

    I see that you are considering making a $4,000 down payment on your lease. I always advise consumers against making large down payments on leased vehicles. Those who do risk losing them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. Even though your monthly payment will be a little higher, you would be better off not making any sort of capitalized cost reduction when leasing this car. All you have to pay at lease signing are your first month's payment, a security deposit equivalent to that payment rounded up to the nearest $25 increment, SFSC's $595 acquisition fee, and any required state taxes or fees. You can even roll the acquisition fee into your monthly payment if you want.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Greetings rjday. What is this car's full MSRP? If you provide me with this number I will be able to see how much of a discount you are being given and can use Saab's current lease program to estimate what your monthly payment should be. Let me know and I'll tell you what I think of the price and work up a sample lease payment for you.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    Hey andyking18. Since you are new to the world of leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles that are available here at Edmunds.com prior to visiting any dealers: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment.

    You never mentioned the selling price or MSRP of the car that you are interested in leasing. These are important numbers for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing this car's selling price in relation to its MSRP you don't know how much of a discount you are getting on it. The second reason is that one needs the selling price and MSRP, including the destination charge, of a vehicle to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to work up a sample lease payment on the car that you are interested in for you if you let me know what these numbers are.

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  • rjdayrjday Posts: 4
    Thank you replying! I live in Ohio. The MSRP for the car is $43,380 and they gave me a price of $40,282. I recently found out they will give me a 39 months/12,000 miles per year with 62% residual and no money down. I am assuming from what I am reading that this is pretty good. Thanks again for helping.
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