Toyota Tundra VS Ford F-150

z71bill

Watch out Nissan - the Tundra is right on your [non-permissible content removed]!!!

I am surprised by the sales of the Tacoma I thought they sold more trucks. I guess the ads must have said number 1 import truck sold.

Does anyone know who # 10 was before the Tundra came along? Mazda is the only other truck I can think of.

I can see the marketing guys at Toyota -

we're #10, we're #10 - they must be proud to have knocked off poor Mazda (really a Ford ranger)

trucksrme

Them yuppies be bragin on this tell and that. On this award or that. But them sales be tellin the real story on them limited ones. That factory be needin too blow more smoke, as the truth be cuttin thru it now, and folks be seein them limited ones for what they be. Good luck on this one now!

tp4unc

the goal to sell 100,000 of them there Tundras in the first 12 months. Haven't kept up on all them other months but that 9016 sold in May 2000 seems like a reasonable amount(I think they went on sale in late May of 1999). I need to check my multiplication tables to do the math but 100,000 could have very easily been reached. Don't think that factory be frettin' over them sales figures now. Good luck on this one now.

P.S. Someone please explain why high sales guarantees high quality. Not saying it doesn't happen in some cases but there are more examples that appear to prove the opposite. Thanky.

obyone

great quality or poor quality...it says that Ford has an excellent marketing team...

rooster9

I'll give an example from the ATV industry.

When Polaris started out in '85 making ATV's, they were last in sales, of course. Now, they are 2nd in sales, right behind Honda. Are Polaris ATV's the most reliable fourwheeler out there? Nope, the least reliable. They got their position from constant improving of their lineup. They were the first to have an automatic transmission on a fourwheeler, and none of the other companies thought it would catch on. Now every company has an automatic quad, they all rushed to the drawing board as Polaris soared by them in sales (except for Honda of course). Now over half a million ATV's are sold a year, and increasing greatly each year.

I know it's off subject, but the same basic scenario applies to truck sales. People buy the Big 3 because of the features they offer, good values, and because they've been making them for so long. Lets face it, without competition, all the trucks on the market right now would be junk! They would have never improved from years back. The Tundra is a good thing to the truck world. They don't sell as many as the companies that have been making them for years and years, but that doesn't mean they're not good trucks. The Tundra had the fastest sales start in Toyota history. Judging by the vintage numbers from Tundra owners, they are real close to their goal. I've seen some vintage numbers showing they've made over 90,000 Tundras.

Here's something cool: Ivan Stewart Edition TRD Tundra!

http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/Tundra1.jpg

modvptnl

I don't quite understand your example. Shouldn't the Tacoma start "soaring" in sales then? Are you saying the Tundra will in a couple years?

quadrunner500

If these deep discounts on Tundra are really happening, it probably means Toyota has filled most of the orders they were counting on for year 1 sales, the tacoma, corolla, camry, avalon owners taking the next step into the hot world of trucks and suvs.

It could get tougher from here on. I'm still curious if Nissan will follow Toyotas mistake by making a another mini full size, or will they be bold, maybe trump everybody with a behemoth. I'd actually love to see that.

dogster

1.) Toyota's goal isn't to compete in sales volume with Ford but the niche they've aimed at - you're average 1/2 ton truck buyer.

2.) Since TrucksRMe claims he looks at all the Tundra posts why hasn't he seen any drivetrain failures complaints posted yet? Perhaps because there aren't any - Toyota engineers know what they're doing, as their reliability reputation proves.

Of course, Ford builds a great rearend. That's why the rear in my Mustang GT came apart at 85,000 miles. Heard it was a common problem for my year but did Ford have a campaign or recall on it? No. They just upgraded the rearend for the following model year.

3.) If you watch the national news or perhaps read the local newspapers you might have noticed an interesting article.

Here's an excerpt from the article:"Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety and the California Public Interest Research Group released the fifth annual lemon law index on Sunday. The survey ranked major automakers on their ability to settle disputes before the disagreements are arbitrated. Saturn had the best record in 1999, with only one unsettled dispute per 13,764 new cars sold in the state. Ford had the worst rating - one unsettled dispute for every 369 cars sold." Ford ranked dead last at #30. That's a shame because I like Ford products and still own my Mustang GT, but it validates my experience with Ford dealerships. It also underlines why I bought a Tundra over the F150. I was also scared away by the recent Ford problems with the 5.4 short blocks (1999 I believe) that Ford is having to replace in many F150s.

An attorney who specializes in auto litigation told me before I bought my Tundra, "When the EPA tightened emission standards the big three hired more lawyers to fight the standards. Toyota hired more engineers to meet the standards."

Don't get me wrong, I like Fords, Chevy and Dodge cars and trucks. If they ran as good as they look on the showroom floor and lasted as long as the imports I'd buy one. I think a lot of it goes to corporate thinking. Come on Big 3, wake up! Until then I'm putting my money where it's safest - in the imports.

dogster

The Escort was one of the best sellers for a long time also. Until they partnered up with Mazda it was also one of the least reliable cars on the road. When I wholesaled cars for two years to franchised dealers, the dealers wouldn't even touch an Escort. The Escort was Ford's Vega.

quadrunner500

>>>2.) Since TrucksRMe claims he looks at all the
Tundra posts why hasn't he seen any drivetrain
failures complaints posted yet? Perhaps because
there aren't any - Toyota engineers know what
they're doing, as their reliability reputation
proves.http://www.tundrasolutions.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000204.html

trucksrme

That stress on that them pumpkins be encountin "haulin" them grocerys be within the limits of them tundras now. But if some folks was too start "workin" them ones, watch out. Go too that tundra.solutions site for the real truths on them ones, the yuppies here be just back slappin each other, dont hear no truths on em here now. As for sales, them tacomas been round 20 years now, and they still huggin that bottom, facts is facts, the common folk have the knowin of what lasts. It be them yuppies, without the knowin, that be buyin them forien trucks now. Quit twistin that truth on them sales numbers, they be speakin that truth. Facts is facts. Good luck on this one now!

dogster

Yeah the trans seemed to shift a little oddly at first. But after I finished the break-in period my trans shifting is fine. It's a little hard which is what you want for "haulin". I used to put trans shift kits in my GM cars to get rid of the sloppy shifts. The Tundra doesn't require one. Of course its a lot better than replacing the transmission at 50K like almost every GM owner I know. A friend of mine tows a 4 jet-ski trailer with his Suburban 1500 and has had FIVE transmissions in 60,000 miles. No thank you. I'll stick with my firm shifts. By the way Quadrunner, since you invaded the Tundra Solutions site, you wouldn't happen to be going by the name Wally World would you now?

dogster

Haven't heard of any differential "pumpkin" problems on the Tundras or on any other Tundra sites. A few owners, as I did, felt a thump when we stopped. A squirt or two of lube ito the driveshaft slip joint solves the problem. Takes all of 2 minutes to solve. A lot better than weeks on end in and out of the dealer service department for bad Ford short blocks and recalled non-workiing GM ABS brakes.

dogster

Hey TrucksRme, how come you never respond to my questions about why you're not out "workin em" that farm and proving the "haul" and "knowin em" on that fertlizer farm? Seems all you do is sit on your computer and post misinformation on Tundra websites. Do you even own a truck?

barlitz

I really don't understand what you don't understand,we are not talking just this year as best selling but year after year after year.If they were so bad wouldn't the public being me and every other truck buyer not buy them,but every year more people buy em.And the explorer is the best selling suv.I honestly don't think you or any other import buyer has any sense.I think you are stuck in a timewarp in the late 70's and early 80's when the domestics weren't that great.Now the domestics have the best technology in the world.
And as far as marketing there isn't a night on TV where there isn't 5,000 Toyota commercials on,by far many more than any of the Big3.Maybe thats why your trucks are so overpriced to pay for tv advertising.

barlitz

BTW there is a neighbor of mine who has a Roush Expedition Supercharged I haven't had a chance to see inside of it but it looks really nice,also there is a Saleen S351 red convertible a hot Momma at the healthclub near me drives it.

trucksrme

Aint that ya over on that tundra.solutions fussin on this and that with that tundra ya got? Over here ya be back slapin folks on how smart ya be for buyin one, over at that other sight, ya be whinein on how it be slippin and knockin and such. Which is it now? So much for gettin the truth on them limited ones now. Good luck on this one now!

dogster

Truth is the Big 3 still haven't changed their ways of doing business. Sure they have high tech stuff on them, they're styled well and look good on paper but the accountants must get hold of them and water down the engineering, materials and manufacturing process. Why would there be such a reliability gap otherwise? Yes we import buyers have sense - that's why we buy imports. My best friend has been a GM mechanic for 25 years - I hear about all the crap they can't fix and GM's fix for some things. They denied the ABS problem for years until they were forced to do a recall. They still leak oil like crazy and have valve seal/guide problems with the V8s.

dogster

TruckRMe. No I wasn't "fussin" on the Tundra site. I had a minor problem that I found a 2 minute fix for. Fact is the Tundras are so refined, smooth and quiet we Tundra owners can hear the proverbial "tick of the clock" - things you wouldn't hear in the domestics because of all the road noise, wind noise, squeaks and rattles. How 'bout them GM ABS recalls? How 'bout the Ford's ranking dead last by consumer groups for taking care of their lemons? And what kind of truck do you drive anyway TrucksRme - if you really do? Must not be out "workin' em and knowin 'em" very much judging by the number of posts on a truck bulletin board that you don't even own! For everyone else who's buying a truck, don't buy into all the BS some people spread here 'cause they have no life. Go drive the Ford, Dodge, Chevy and Toyota and then make your decision!

trucksrme

There be a "gap" between them big3 ones and them forien ones now, and it aint no "quality" gap:

May 2000 Truck Sales

Make and Model Number Sold May
1. Ford F-Series: 85,506
2. Chevrolet Silverado: 59,160
3. Ford Ranger: 33,739
4. Dodge Ram: 32,704
5. Chevrolet S-10: 19,310
6. GMC Sierra: 17,846
7. Dodge Dakota 17,004
8. Toyota Tacoma: 12,746
9. Nissan Frontier: 9,742
10. Toyota Tundra: 9,016

Good luck on this one now!

fordsrme

That is the truth you know. The F-150 is the best seller here because of a reason you see. The reason be is people are knowing this is the best truck on the road. I have stated before all the advantages over their Tundra's and other Tee-Yota's.
Tundra's only advantages I see now are the warranty which is useless here for the Ford's cause I've never known anybody here that had a Ford with any problem - and let me know you that I know here many people with Ford's maybe about 20 or so folks out there cause they be buying them and I work at Lowe's now where you see all the trucks. Only 1 Tundra that wasn't able to haul sand like I said in past posts now.

tundradick

I live in a large city but where I am Tundra's are all over the place. Sure you see more F-150's, but the Tundra's are catching up quick. They made a perfect truck!

ford250

Toyota is always playing catch up. Kind of like GM
they never have to right trucks at the right time.

trucksrme

Them big3 ones each sell more trucks in 3 weeks than them limited ones be sellin in a year. Yup, they be really catchin up quick now. Kinda like them tacomas, which been out for years now, and still at the bottom of them sales charts. Them t100 ones was hot sellers too, eh? Good luck on this one now!

barlitz

What reliability gap? Prove it or shut up! There are more posts on www.tundrasolutions.com reguarding problems then there are good about the truck.And there are only 600 members! Tht tells me that out of 100,000 or so trucks more than 50% have problems,yah thats one hell of a truck.Go back to your crossword puzzle and your cafe latte.
Fool.

trucksrme

Stickin them fingers in that dam, as that dam be leakin, here and there. Sooner or later that dam goin burst now, aint but so many fingers can be used too hold back that water. That truth be actin that same way dogster. Ya can try too keep that truth from folks, but it is goin comin floodin out, nothin ya can do too be stopin it now! Good luck on this one now!

Rocles

interesting screen name back there....

z71bill

Did you know Tundra stands for - "not full size" in other words "small"? Are you really that Bammatundra guy that has trouble with math?

rooster9

Go to www.f150online.com and you will also see more problems than good things about Ford's F-150. And I don't care how much they sell, that's Ford's problem. And what problem is worse, getting a new engine or a rattle or vibration? Ford seems to have more major problems than anyone else (except Dodge), while the others have small problems.

Here's a good topic to read: http://www.tundrasolutions.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000454.html

bamatundra

Well, Well. A Chevy loser posting in a Tundra vs. F150 topic. Your Tundra envy flaring up again? Must be bored, still waiting to get your Chevy out of the shop?

Let's see: According to you - the Silverado is the ONLY 1/2 ton "full size" pickup. I'm sure that there are a lot of non-chevy owners surprised to hear this. The F-150 is not "full size". The Dodge ram not full size? Z really believes this tripe?

He is just trying to justify paying $30K for his Hyundai. Just keep telling yourself it is the only "full - size". What a joke!

trucksrme

Guess them yuppies goin have too come up with some new excuse as too why they paided more buck for less truck. Lets see now: They aint "full size", cant do the haul, got a pee-wee bed, no back seat, tacoma drive-train, tin skin metal, and that quality be shabby at best. Hmmmm, them yuppies goin have too ponder long and hard too figure out what all that money went for now. Good luck on this one now!

ivans1

Here's the way I see it:

Chevy? Watched a friend wait 4 months for his new Chevy truck so a few UAW members could each get that big-screen tv they've been wantin'.

Watched a neighbor's chevy sit in his driveway for weeks waitin' on some other UAW people to make the part it needed. Seems they wanted big-screen tv's too.

The two Chevy's I owned in the past were bottomless parts pits.

Dodge? A friends Ram is 4 years old and has totaled itself out twice over with repairs. 3 complete brake jobs, 2 front-end rebuilds, 3 transmissions, 1 wiring harness, 1 $5300 engine rebuild (all dealer work BTW), 1 differential, just a short list. Every time I see a Ram I say a little prayer for its owner.

Ford? Never owned one but I can see that the F150 message boards are talking about engine rebuilds, rust, seat fabric fading, transmission problems, rattles, bubbled paint, more rust, awful grinding sounds, (and these trucks are barely two years old!) while on the Toyota list they seem to be seriously concerned about when to change the oil, what kind to use, and the cd player skipping.


My '93 Toyota truck has never seen a service facility except for one oil change that I had a coupon for. 75k and still no sqeaks or rattles.

I have also compared the F150 and the Tundra in yuppie fashion - on the internet. The prices are about the same for comparable equipment. The towing and payload ratings are also about the same. Oh $100 dollars here, 10 lbs there. Should we be weighing the load to the pound or do we just stack it in until the bed's full? When do we ever see a pickup really hauling stuff anyway? An occasional apartment move maybe? Or one that says 'Bob's landscaping' on the side. I just want to haul the occasional garden tractor and stay ahead of that Silverado so it doesn't break down in front of me. The Tundra can do that.

This is easy to figure out even for a yuppie. But there are some things that are more complicated to figure. Like how Ford sells 10 times as many F150s as Toyota sells Tundras yet the Tundra buyer is the one chasin' the fad? How can that be? The less the interest, the bigger the fad? How is this figured? Or why a Chevy enthusiast is posting in a Toyota/Ford comparison forum? Perhaps concerned about yuppie welfare? UAW maybe?

Good luck on this one now.

barlitz

I had 2 brand new 99's last year,a lightning which would totally anilate your Tundra or any truck for that matter and the F250 light duty I have now which will tow 3 of your Tundras up and down hills all day and we'll even throw a Tacoma in the bed.Not one problem with either truck I work on construction sites and the majority of trucks are F150's.No one complains there either.I am an electrician and the last company I worked for had 5 newer E250 vans with the 5.4.No problems there either.To make it short the problems Ford had, have been fixed and they are replacing after factory warranty.Do you realize how many 5.4 engines Ford builds yearly.They go in the expy's,F150's,F250's in the work vans.Any problem are few and far between.Lets see how Toyota does building 1 million trucks,they are having enough trouble building less than 100,000.

barlitz

Another thing you are wrong about www.f150online.com,I've been a member since last year when I had my lightning.There are over 6000 members there and 98% posts on mods and performance and tires and lifting there trucks.There is about a 1% that have problems with there trucks,most have positive to say including me.My screenname and signature is the same as I use on Edmunds and F150.

trucksrme

These be them big3 facts on this one now:

1) Big3 ones be offerin better value
2) Big3 ones be "full size"
3) Big3 ones be built for "workin"
4) Big3 ones be UAW built (God bless that UAW!)
5) Big3 ones be lastin longer
6) Big3 ones all will be "classics" one day
7) Big3 ones all be US of A says them Feds
8) Big3 ones got haul in em

These be them facts on them tundras now:

1) They be breakin if put too the haul
2) They be rustin quick
3) They be costin more
4) They be litte
5) They got that tacoma runnin gear
6) They dont last long enough too be a classic
7) They be goin the way of them t100 ones

What part aint folks gettin on this one? Good luck on this one now!

dbhull

TRUTH!! BARLITZ....TUNDRA OWNERS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!! he he he heeee!

z71bill

EPA standards per Motor trend magazine article you are always quoting list GM (Silverado & Sierra) as the only full size 1/2 ton trucks. Tundra, F-150 and Ram 1/2 tons are listed as standard trucks. It is possible Motor trend made a mistake on the specs. If you have a source better than the EPA (not counting Toyota marketing) let's hear it. You can slam my truck if you want, your opinion means Tundra (little) to me. I have owned Toyota products in the past so I know the truth on how reliable they are. Not saying they are junk, they are good cars and trucks, but they do breakdown. If you need proof just look in the service department of your Toyota dealer. All the cars and trucks are not just there to have the oil changed and tires rotated.

trucksrme

Them limited ones be sharin that pumpkin and transfer case out of that tacoma, and that trannie out of that t100 one. Strechin that tin on one of em dont make it "full size". Funny how some folks still be thinkin they be "full size" even after havin the knowin of these facts now. This be kinda like a 5 year old, puttin on a set of stilts, and claimin too be an adult now. From that distance he may be lookin grown-up, but up close, that truth be obvious. Good luck on this now.

ivans1

Are you OK? I thought you were just funnin' around but I see that you've been doing this for over three months now. You're saying the same things over and over again in several forums. Maybe you should put the internet down for a while and talk with someone about it.

trucksrme

Them that be workin that farm dont never be funnin when in comes too them trucks now. I be sayin them same things cuz they be the truth. That truth dont be changin from month too month now, it be constant. The yuppie be the one who be twistin them things, changin em around and such. Good luck on this one now!

jambo

Here we go again your supercharged ford up against plain tundra? Turbo tundra will blow away ford anything - on road or off. Big sales numbers means cheeeeep product. Wonder why ford types buy a case of cheap beer over a six pack of fine beer - they have no taste.

xspecht

A friend of mine's dad was a Ford mechanic for 45 years. He just retired last year. My friend and her husband were in the market for a new truck and her father told them to buy the Tundra because Toyota makes better trucks. A pretty good endorsement I think.

bigsnag

What is this Turbo Tundra you speak of?

trucksrme

All them yuppies got some friend of a friend of a cousin or somethin, that got somethin too be sayin on this truck or that? If them yuppies was workin them trucks they could be gettin the facts on em directly now. Course since them yuppies aint workin them trucks, all they got is these tells from this source or that. Good luck on this one now!

dogster

TrucksRme will never answer a question about when he works that farm and truck and what truck he owns. Probably nothing.

tinindiana

Well I'm sure glad your one year old Fords don't have any problems yet. That sure is a good test of their reliability. I've owned both and nobody can tell me that Fords will run longer than Toyota's. Across the board, I'd take a Honda or a Toyota anytime. Quantity is not necessarily quality. Also, the word is "annihilate". Must be union brain cells.

tinindiana

Well I'm sure glad your one year old Fords don't have any problems yet. That sure is a good test of their reliability. I've owned both and nobody can tell me that Fords will run longer than Toyota's. Across the board, I'd take a Honda or a Toyota anytime. Quantity is not necessarily quality. Also, the word is "annihilate". Must be union brain cells.

xspecht

In the other posting group, Tundra owners: Rate Your Truck, I asked you what kind of Tundra you had and how it was doing for you, since you post over there so much. Funny thing is that you never answered my question. Since you post over there more than anyone else, what kind of Tundra do you have and how do you like it? Maybe you will answer me over here if you have your good eye on the screen?

trucksrme

Them that be pointin out the yuppies foolish ways on them limited ones can be expectin these says. Say this or that on me now, but it aint changin the facts any on them tundras now:

tundra=less truck,more buck.

This fact be stingin some more than others, as they be realizin they be the fool who reached for that fad now. Them ones that say them things on me be them ones who be stingin the worst now. Good luck on this one now!

oki

A friend of mine has been a Toyota service writer for 5 years. The dealer he works for also sells Chevys. When he wanted a truck he chose an S-10. In HIS opinion, the quality difference between the Tacoma and S-10 is nominal. I know it's got nothing to do with a Tundra or F-150, but it's interesting nonetheless.