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Sedans: My Best Choice for Fuel Economy?



  • I've been in the hunt for an economy car for several years and am disappointed with what is available. The cars MPG are not real world numbers. All cars today have various defects and the dealers all tell you that its (whatever the problem is NORMAL. They refuse to acknowledge the problems much less fix them. It's very disheartening to try to shop for a reliable economy car when there just arn't" any being built anymore. :mad: :cry: :confuse: :sick: BTW I too have hip problems that makes a manual shift out of the question. today gas is 3.66 a gal. tomorrow it goes up more why don't we have more flex fuel cars being built and why aren't there stations everywhere that provides this fuel. It's been available for farmers and their equipment for 6 years now so what is the holdup??? I'm sure it's just GREED!!!! WE have plenty of corn grown here you know!!! Sorry to hear of your disappointing MPG you are not alone. Many on the Civic boards are reporting similar problems and as I said the EPA numbers are NOT ACCURATE. That goes for all of today's cars!!! :confuse:
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I have to agree that the EPA's slide rulers appear to be broken.

    I have a 2004 TL 6 speed rated at 20/30 that actually gets 28-30 on the highway, but only 15-16 in relatively mild in-town driving. My former Honda S2000, by comparison, was rated at 20/26. It actually got 31-33 on the highway, and 21-22 in the same mild in town driving as the TL goes through.

    So two cars with the same 20 mpg EPA city rating are 40% apart (15 to 21) in actual mileage. On the highway, the S2000, rated 4 mpg (15%) less than the TL, actually beats it by at least 2 mpg. I could do more accurate estimates throwing darts.

    P.S. My old 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed was EPA rated at 22/27 and has averaged, over 155k miles, 24.1 mpg. The 2004 TL, with 21,500 miles and a higher combined EPA rating, has averaged 19.2. That is an enormous difference.

    P.P.S. It doesn't exactly qualify as an economy car, but a friend of mine bought a low mileage pre-owned 2005 E320 CDI in January 2005. He paid $42k. Drove it for 25,000 mostly highway miles since, averaged 37 mpg and just sold it for $39,000. That's pretty economical, if you can afford the initial outlay.
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    and as I said the EPA numbers are NOT ACCURATE. That goes for all of today's cars!!!

    this has not been my experience. i had an 05 corolla (5 spd) for 1 year and highway only driving consistently yielded 42+mpg. 50/50 mix of city/highway was consistently between 32-35 mpg. i stupidly traded that car for an 05 matrix, thinking how great all the cargo carrying capacity would be. however, i almost never used the space, the mileage averaged 4-5 less mpg than the corolla and it was much noisier on acceleration and highway cruising. so, i sold it at a good price and purchased an 06 corolla. my first tank yielded 42.5 mpg at 70% highway 30% city. my second tank was 38.1 with closer to 60% highway 40% city. from talking with other corolla owners, many of them who are committed to getting good mileage have also come very close to or exceeded the epa ratings.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    My girlfriend drives FAST in her 2004 Corolla LE Auto and averages around 32 MPG in mixed driving, I drove it 250 miles at 80MPH or so and got a little over 37 MPG. You shouldn't be getting less than 28 MPG in town, or 34 HWY.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I'm about to resume the rest of my trip going back to miami, fl. So far we(my mom and I) gassed up 2wice. Sounds like a lot consider this. We left from south miami with a full tank of gas and drove to jacksonville fl. Looks something like this:


    We have a 2006 toyota corolla le and did that in 1.5 tanks of gas. We had the corolla corollin' (we were going) at speeds of 60 to 95mph effortlessly with the ac blowin' cold air on level 3, radio blastin on volume 40, amd outside temperatures ranging from 67º to 103º. Not to mention the car was loaded with luggage. The most we spent on gas was $28 to fill from E.

    From jacksonville (we stayed the night and drove around looking for dinner) we just left with out gassing up to atlanta, ga (gwinett county). We drove 5 people (4adults and me. I'm 5'11 and sat comfortablly in the rear center seat) around sight-seeing and then gassed up for a trip back home using $28 (the 2nd refill. The first was just refilling from half a tank to full. ot took $13.28) then we went back to jacksonville and stayed for 2 days without refueling and runnung errands. We're now at half a tank and need to drive home 6rs.

    Days of trip: May 27- june 1st, 2006
    times refueled: 2 most costing $28
    fav features: 6disk cd changers, trunk space, drl, freezing ac, the 4 cupholders, the faux wood(fun to look at when all you see are trees)

    sugestd improvements: ADD LUMBAR SUPPORT!!

    This car is a hit for toyota!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    This car is a hit for toyota!

    And hopefully they will sell a few to "autoboys" that learned math in school. MPG = Miles divided by Gallons. You seemed to have skipped that in your otherwise interesting post. Care to try that calculation and give us your actual MPG?
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    dont know if he will, but id be glad to. my last tank used for commuting to work and in town driving(65-70% highway at 65-70 mph and 30-35% stop and go in town---484.6 miles, 11.874 gallons to fill = 40.81 mpg. ive gotten up to 44 mpg but that was almost all highway at 60-65 mph. i drive an 06 corolla ce 5-spd. i dont consider this a big deal. this is why i bought this car. even with a 50/50 highway/ town mix i have yet to get lower than 36 mpg.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    ive gotten up to 44 mpg but that was almost all highway at 60-65 mph. i drive an 06 corolla ce 5-spd. i dont consider this a big deal. this is why i bought this car. even with a 50/50 highway/ town mix i have yet to get lower than 36 mpg.

    You are really right. While those numbers are great, they reflect what the car was really designed for, and shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I drive an Accord, and have gotten 39.9 MPGs before (70 MPH, no A/C)...couldn't crack that 40MPG mark...I average 35-36 HWY and 29 MPG in a Corolla should definitely deliver numbers 5 MPG above that.

    Corollas are great cars, it's just a shame that at 6'4", I couldn't drive one comfortably.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    ....gets 32 city, 40 highway, and that's running 75 with the AC on. If you're looking for a manual in either the Corolla or the Echo, be prepared to look for a while, and be willing to travel some distance to get it. For some reason Toyota builds most of these cars with automatics, so manuals are hard to find. It took me 2 months to find mine.
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