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Prius Vs Camry

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  • I would love to see your spreadsheet comparing the hybrids. I am new to these forums, so not sure--do you just provide the spreadsheet here or do I need to give you my e-mail address? Thanks
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    It's a little old now. All the prices have changed, and the new model year cars are here. Simple enough to do your own, though. I used "Openoffice" (search for it - it's free). Then go to each automaker's web site and display the specifications so you can then enter them into a spreadsheet.
  • I would say that this whole "IT SAYS THIS ABOUT YOU" thing is because Prius drivers feel that the car is good enough to overcome its styling and that they get comfort from waving to other Prius drivers ect. which is annoying because other people see that as a put down... "LOOK AT US, YOU ARE STUPID."

    Heres my quick assessment:
    If you want a great way to save money and gas then the Prius is the best option.
    The Prius has poor visibility out the back window.
    The acceleration is poor and the car generally will not provide power at an idle.

    The Camery is not as economical but it probably is a very nice car.
    I have driven a 2000 Camery, very nice car.. love it.

    Older Prius: I have also driven the 2002 model, generally you need to give it a 3/4+ push down on the pedal whenever you accelerate. Also the brakes are hard to get used to at first. My Dad loves it but I am never confident in its ability to accelerate when I REALLY need it: on a bad merge.
    The best solution: If you REALLY care about the environment get a diesel car and convert it to run on vegetable oil. So if you claim to LOVE the environment this is probably the best thing you can do to show it.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    It sounds to me like some people suffer from Prius Envy. :)
    Yep, I don't doubt that some Prius owners can come across as smug, like some ex-smokers.

    Myself, I prefer and bought a Camry hybrid. It has all the virtue of a regular Camry, but with better mileage. I found the seating of the Prius low and the freeway handling less secure in windy conditions, among other shortcomings.
  • caazcaaz Posts: 203
    Better mileage? Perhaps. Look at my several posts in camry mpg I get 40mpg @ 60 or 65.....36-37@70....33-35@75 and 31-31@80pmh...And im being honest . I do a trip twice a week Sundaynite from Phoenix to So Cal And back again each Thursday. I try it at different speeds just to challenge the car to see what it will do. Incidentally, doing this adds 60,000miles per year to my car. after 3 years almost getting the same mpg highway as the hybrids, if you add in the 26k sticker to hybrids as opposed to 18,500 for a Camry LE here in so cal. Plus after 3 yrs 3500.00 for a battery, i see an almost 10,000.00 differnce by keeping a regular camry over the hybrid. The car i just sold when i went into the camry was an 04 civiv hybrid, which @ 80mph always got me abouit 42-43mpg. But the noise level in a civic..or Prius.. as compared too the camry was amazing. I love the camry's serene isolated ride, makes my phone calls and books on tape enjoyable..other wise thats 6 hrs each trip of wind noise and boredom.

    Later
    Caaz
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    With a hybrid's mileage advantage being mostly in city driving, if my driving was like yours I wouldn't buy a hybrid either.

    As to the price difference, well, you're comparing apples to oranges. The base LE is hardly equipped the way a hybrid is. If one wants the upgrades that come with the hybrid (2007 model), the price spread is about $1600, if I remember correctly.

    Even if one doesn't think much of the upgrades, I received a $2600 credit on my federal taxes and $1500 off my state of Oregon taxes. So, the price spread was virtually nothing, and I did want some of those extra features.
  • Keep in mind that most of the new camrys are made in the American plant in Georgetown, Kentucky. However, the prius' are made in Japan.

    I have had a friend who bought a 2007 camry made here and is already having engine troubles and some materials falling apart.

    My 1995 camry (made in japan) is at 238,000 miles and still running.

    We must face the fact that Japanese quality is superior. So, if you want a car that will last you longer without giving you any problems, the prius is the way to go.

    Unless, you are lucky enough to get one of the few new camrys made in Japan.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    I do not agree. I have had USA built Toyotas that have been perfect for well over 100,000 miles. On the other hand, my one that was produced in Japan had several issues that, although minor (rattles and squeaks), were still annoying to have to go back and have corrected.

    An '07 Camry with engine problems? Rare, very very rare. You'll be fine with either. By the way, Toyota plans to produce the Prius in the USA in the next few years.
  • My 2006 Camry le V6 ( built in KY ). 166,000 miles. The car run like new, no problems with the engine.
  • To you guys out there who like to put the Prius down, try driving one for a day. I drive my 07 Prius daily with 3 children in the back, two in car seats. As for room, I bought a 42" LCD TV and transport it from my house in the original box it came with. On another trip I carried a Sears full size water softener in its box + 2 40lbs salt bags + a few bags of items I bought from Sears with my 1 son in the rear in his car seat9ONLY 1 rear seat was folded) and my wife in the front with me without a problem. I also used the Prius to transport my 21" push mower back and forth between my beach and regular house with five of us in the car every week during the summer before I bought the second lawn mower.
    As for looks, I did not buy the car for it's good looks(the car looks nerdy), but the gas mileage and the versatility. I average 45-47 mpg with the car over 60,000 miles. Before buying the Prius, I also looked at the Civic, Accord, and Camry hybrid. But the trunk space on these cars were terrible and the rear seats do not fold down due to the hybrid design.
    I also have an 07 Maxima which is at least the size of the Camry, the rear seating area is about maybe 5" wider than the Prius, which does not seem to make much of a difference to my children in the back. But I would not be able to haul all the stuff I do in the Prius. Also, I can only get about 24-26 mpg on my Maxima with Premium fuel.
  • I agree that the Prius is probably a much better built car than the Camry because it's built 100% in Japan, but the Prius is also a death trap when compared with the Camry. The Camry is much bigger and much safer than the Prius. I saw the Prius up front at the Toyota dealership the other day and I love its interior. It definitely looks much better built than the American built Camry. Too bad that it's too small. I would have purchased the Prius over the Camry any day if it were as big as the Camry.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    I agree that the Prius is probably a much better built car than the Camry because it's built 100% in Japan

    I disagree. Being assembled in Japan does NOT guarantee anything. The overall engineering (design) of the car is what matters, not where assembled. I had a few rattles etc. from a Rav assembled in Japan, but I have a Camry assembled in Kentucky with 85% North American produced parts that has NO problems at all.

    Of all my Toyotas, most were built in the USA or Canada and I can say that USA or Canada built cars were great over the long run (100,000+ miles).

    "USA" built is no problem, as long as the overall design is good. By the way, the Prius is going to be built in the USA when the factory is completed.
  • "By the way, the Prius is going to be built in the USA when the factory is completed."

    God help us all if the Prius is going to be built here in the USA. Toyota will have more fit and finish and quality issues with the Prius like they do with the Camry if they start building it here in the USA.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Disagree. I've been in manufacturing since college. The quality of the design is the most important thing. If this is good, then the assembly will be very easy and will be tough to screw up. If the design is not good, then the assembly will be harder, and you will get more fit and finish problems. I know for a fact that USA and Canadian workers can build cars that are just as good as Japan build. I have had Toyotas built in the USA and Canada that have been perfect for over 100,000 miles. Parts and materials are the same (or 99% the same) for the Japan vs. Kentucky built Camrys. They are built with the same specs, same everything - it wouldn't make any sense to have different specs, etc. It seems that Toyota over-engineered the Prius vs. the Camry, which is why the Prius seems to have no fit/finish issues. However, my 2010 Camry has no problems that I can find yet. Maybe not quite 100% perfect interior panel alignment, but this is not assembly problem, it is design, and it will not affect the long-term reliability of my car, nor does it create any problems, and most people don't notice it.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    that might be the case for you but it has not been my experience over the years with getting japanese vehicles; the three vehicles that were completely assembled in Japan and shipped over had absolutely no quality, fit and finish, noise, or mechanical/technical issues whatsoever

    the two japanese vehicles made and assembled in the US, I have nothing but problems with fit and finish issues, rattles/squeaks, mechanical and technical problems so I'm sorry but my experience has shown that the American assembly plants are not as efficient and do not have the same amount of quality control that the Japanese plants do

    now, that is not to say you can't get a car from Japan that has some issues in it but on average, your chances are better of not getting a car with (fit/finish, rattles/squeaks, mechanical/technical glitches,etc) if it was assembled and built in Japan than if it was primarily built and assembled at a US plant
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    So, in other words, there is no conclusive evidence that I know of that says Japan vs. USA built is better. My experience is USA was better, yours is Japan was better. The Rav I had that was built in Japan had lots of rattles, etc. All were fixed under warranty, but still. Who is right? Unknown.
  • I can tell you one thing. My family currently owns a 98 Camry and I used to own a 97 Camry CE. I sold my 97 Camry back in 2000, but mine ALSO had fit and finish and quality issues. My family still owns the 98 Camry and it too has fit and finish issues and rattles and it only has 54,000 original miles on it. Both of these vehicles were built here in the USA in Kentucky. Before my family owned the 98 Camry, they owned a 1982 Toyota Celica that was purchased brand new which was 100% built in Japan. The 100% Japanese built 1982 Celica was an excellent car. We never had any fit and finish or any quality problems with the Celica during the entire 16 years that we owned it. It had over 170,000+ miles before we gave it away to another member of our family. They owned it and drove it for another 2 years until it was 19 years old and they traded it in for another vehicle. When they traded it in the 1982 Celica was still driveable and it had over 180,000+ miles on it. The only thing wrong with the car was that it had rust on the lower panels and on the floor boards from all the salt and from the 19 winters that it went thru up here in the northeast. Other than that, everything on the vehicle was working and the car was running like brand new.

    But on the other hand, the 1998 Camry that my family still drives and owns has all sorts of rattling and fit and finish issues that the 1982 Celica didn't have. Can you tell me WHY that is so?
    WHY didn't the 1982 Celica have any fit and finish and quality issues during the entire 19 years of ownership? And WHY does the 1998 Camry have fit and finish and quality issues? And WHY did my 1997 Camry also have fit and finish and quality issues too? Is it because maybe when they were built here in the USA in Kentucky that the manufacturing process or the materials were not up to par like the materials and like the manufacturing process that they use in Japan for the same exact same vehicles? There HAS to be a legitimate reason WHY this occurs. There is NO WAY that American built Toyotas are better or equal quality as the Toyotas that are 100% built in Japan. That's an big overstatement. American built Toyotas are not as well built and are not as good quality as the ones that are built 100% in Japan. There is something that is NOT done here with the American built Toyota vehicles that are done with the ones that are built 100% in Japan. What it is I don't know? I am hoping that someone can chime in on this issue. What is the difference between a 100% Japanese built Toyota and a 100% American built Toyota? If we can find this out then we will also find out WHY the American built Toyota vehicles lack the quality that the Japanese built ones have. Maybe someone in here knows the answer to this.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Why? I've said it is design. You cannot blame everything on assembly of the car or build of the parts, no matter where it was done. If the engineering is done very well, you will not have (as many or no) problems. Sorry, my experience in manufacturing (not auto, but still design and assembly of other things) plus my experience with Toyotas both say that USA LABOR DOES build good cars, or widgets, etc. Toyota uses the same specs, materials, and processes as they do in Japan to build cars here, or anywhere. Why would they do different? They don't, it is the same. If they were different, costs would be different (ie more expensive to have different part specs, different designs, etc) There are a very few differences, but in general they are the same car, no matter where built. Right now, it is much more expensive to import from Japan vs. build in the USA due to the currency. If anything, they would want to cut costs for Japan built (but they don't). It's all in the engineering.

    The rattles in the early 2007 Camrys? Guess what, most of the TSBs that came out are for BOTH Japan built AND USA built Camrys - DESIGN. For example, the dash rattle.
  • Okay, I do agree with you somewhat about the design flaws causing quality issues. Let me ask you another question regarding design then:

    If the Camry that is built 100% in Japan and is designed 100% the same way as the 100% American built Camry, then HOW can the Japan built Camry be better quality than the American built Camry? Remember that the design is exactly the same for BOTH the 100% American built Camry and ALSO for the 100% Japanese built Camry. If both cars have the same exact design, WHY does the American built Camry have fit and finish and quality issues when the Japanese built Camry doesn't? That's what we need to find out here. Do you know the answer to this?
  • "If the Camry that is built 100% in Japan and is designed 100% the same way as the 100% American built Camry, then HOW can the Japan built Camry be better quality than the American built Camry?"

    How about volume? How many camry's to they push out the door everyday? I think Toyota is having the same issue as GM has had for years. They are too big to manage. Just think of some of the problems they could be having like parts that are good but not great from there suppliers. Do they shut down the whole line until they get good parts in or do they RUN. This might be the difference in the 2 countries because I would bet in the USA the answer is RUN because the boss wants his bonus for cars out the door.
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